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Malleus Malificorum wrote:

Nocturnal Soul wrote:

Mobius Kaethis wrote:

Proposed Caldari Ranks by faction warfare level:
1) Camicia Nera
2) Capo Squadra
3) Aiutante
4) Sottocapomanipolo
5) Centurione
6) Seniore
7) Primo Senior
8) Console Comandante
9) Luogotenente Generale
10) Comandante Generale

These are based upon the ranks used by the "Black Shirts" who were the Facist Miliia of Franco era Spain. While they are simple ranks I feel like the italian terminology and clear connection to the terms use for ranks in Ancient Rome gives it a bit of interesting flare.

I witdraw my own submission because Jaysyn Larrisen's is so excellent. I love the non-Asian/Euro specific nature as well as how you integrated the corporate titles with agressive military sounding terms. Great work!

Really it seems pretty bland to me with the constant reusing of the same words but hey idk since I'm all about that Amarr :D

It is bland.

And Mobius, maybe you're painfully unaware but quite a fair bit of the caldari naming scheme from eve is Japanese. In fact if you looked at the links provided earlier you can see the names of every NPC in the game, the entire npc caldari ship naming scheme is based off of Japanese words usually variations on feudal Japanese soldiers and their equipment. I don't care how you believe the corporations run or should run, you are wrong, everything suggested by Galm and Mina conforms to the naming conventions of eve. It's incongruous to the point of being jarring when you try to toss out Italian names for a race that has zero connection to anything Italian, in fact it just makes your condescending attitude look stupid and woefully uninformed when you cant do enough basic research to get the races naming conventions right.

Quit being a self loathing weaboo, You might not like the Japanese titles suggested or even the non-Japanese ones but they are appropriate and to the point accurate, they stick to the root languages used by the races in their npc names.

Furthermore I like the idea of staying away from non-standard military ranks, because we are immortal mercenaries not part of any existing military organization, so in addition to titles like "general" being painfully ****ing boring and underwhelming they ring particularly hollow due to all of our characters not actually existing within any faction military structure.


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Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1237	Posted - 2014.08.02 02:26:00 - [1] - Quote Good suggestions guys ...but i would say that the Caldari recommendations are are leaning too far with the purely Japanese based titles. As noted several times by CCP they have some distance northern European tones. Off the top of my head I don't have a lot of good ideas but you could weave in some old Prussian military ranks such as: Jaeger (Huntsman, Light Infantry, Scout) Dragoner (actual rank and ties back to the Templis Dragonaurs to a degree) Hauptman / Rittemeister (Captain of Infantry or Cavalry) Oberst (Colonel) "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1238	Posted - 2014.08.02 13:47:00 - [2] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Good suggestions guys ...but i would say that the Caldari recommendations are are leaning too far with the purely Japanese based titles. As noted several times by CCP they have some distance northern European tones. Off the top of my head I don't have a lot of good ideas but you could weave in some old Prussian military ranks such as: Jaeger (Huntsman, Light Infantry, Scout) Dragoner (actual rank and ties back to the Templis Dragonaurs to a degree) Hauptman / Rittemeister (Captain of Infantry or Cavalry) Oberst (Colonel) I thought the Japanese one was a little bit weak myself, but wasn't too sure on how to improve it, and I have a few ideas for the Amarr one but I'm not entirely sure how to name some of their ranks due to lack of command in the language I'd be working in. But it is also worth noting that when you actually have to fight caldari in eve (say you're a gallente mission runner that doesn't care about tanking standings) the ships you encounter are stuff like "State Wakizashi". http://eveinfo.com/npcships/671/eve-online-mission-caldari-state-frigate.html http://eveinfo.com/npcships/676/eve-online-mission-caldari-state-destroyer.html http://eveinfo.com/npcships/673/eve-online-mission-caldari-state-cruiser.html http://eveinfo.com/npcships/672/eve-online-mission-caldari-state-battlecruiser.html http://eveinfo.com/npcships/674/eve-online-mission-caldari-state-battleship.html It's not like there isn't precedent for the caldari names. Also, these links give me a decent starting point on amarr names. I'll try to come up with a list soon-ish I'm tracking MINA. Heck the Tengu is a Japenese deamon. I was just trying to mix in some of the different names that match the lore. I'm pretty sure I read in an article here Hilmar described the Caldari to an interviewer in the terms "...a mix of Japanese corporations, Finnish machinists, and German military". He didn't say "****" but it seemed implied it was WWII era Vermacht. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1238	Posted - 2014.08.02 17:01:00 - [3] - Quote The racial ideas of New Eden are mixed at best and it's tough to draw too many direct parallels to societies and cultures of today - by design from my understanding. There are some pretty clear areas where the four races were noticeably influenced by archetypes from our current and historical examples. That said... I generally like the idea of forum and in-game titles/ranks for FW oriented folks. What would be kinda cool is that the rank is earned via achievements (example: X amount of Nova Knife kills and you can use the title Blademaster). You could have the FW-esque titles like we've been discussing and some in-game specific ones...might be kinda neat. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1238	Posted - 2014.08.02 19:57:00 - [4] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: So far from this thread here are the one's I see as the best here. Hopefully this serves as a guideline to what each race is about. Caldari: Galm Fae wrote: I) Shaatei (Lowest ranking member. IE "Ensign Ricky.") II) Nit+ìhei (Equal to a Private) III) Goch+ì (Corporal) IV) Guns+ì (Sergeant) V) S+ìch+ì (Sergeant Major) VI) Chuigun (Lieutenant) VII) Taiikugun (Captain) VIII) Sh+ìsa (Major) IX) Taisa (Colonel) X) Taish+ì (General) I think you've got a pretty good list with the exception of the Caldari. My only real beef with it is that it's the outlier from the other three races in terns of language. All the factions actually have their own languages in addition to the common speech across the Empires but we tend to focus no he Caldari language (or our proximity of that) Let me think on it a bit and I'll post up some other options. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1239	Posted - 2014.08.03 04:05:00 - [5] - Quote Ok...i've had a little time to kick some ideas around about an alternate Caldari title naming convention. Basically, I wanted to look for names that capture the mosaic of traits the Caldari have without overly relying on names you would have to google to figure out. Again, might not be great but perhaps a good start point. 1) State Soldat 2) Vanguard Trooper 3) Dragonaur Trooper 4) Vanguard Sergeant 5) Dragonaur Sergeant 6) Vanguard Officer 7) Dragonaur Officer 8) Senior Military Operative 9) Senior Intelligence Operative 10) Executive Security Director Couple notes: 1) tried to stay away from Japanese / Euro names too much. Didn't feel right to go one way or the other and a mixed list was sketchy. 2) Vanguards - homage to the EVE video (can't remember name) with the Caldari merc (call sign; Vanguard) that was betrayed by the capsuleer that dropped the OB on him. Basically your more basic ground operations guys for the Caldari. 3) Dragonaurs - direct lore tie in; bit of a mix of police state strong-arm guys, political / intelligence muscle, action arm for some of Tibus Heth's circle. 4) Ranks 8-10 were much more corporate oriented titles. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1240	Posted - 2014.08.03 13:27:00 - [6] - Quote Malleus Malificorum wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Mobius Kaethis wrote: Proposed Caldari Ranks by faction warfare level: 1) Camicia Nera 2) Capo Squadra 3) Aiutante 4) Sottocapomanipolo 5) Centurione 6) Seniore 7) Primo Senior 8) Console Comandante 9) Luogotenente Generale 10) Comandante Generale These are based upon the ranks used by the "Black Shirts" who were the Facist Miliia of Franco era Spain. While they are simple ranks I feel like the italian terminology and clear connection to the terms use for ranks in Ancient Rome gives it a bit of interesting flare. I witdraw my own submission because Jaysyn Larrisen's is so excellent. I love the non-Asian/Euro specific nature as well as how you integrated the corporate titles with agressive military sounding terms. Great work! Really it seems pretty bland to me with the constant reusing of the same words but hey idk since I'm all about that Amarr :D It is bland. And Mobius, maybe you're painfully unaware but quite a fair bit of the caldari naming scheme from eve is Japanese. In fact if you looked at the links provided earlier you can see the names of every NPC in the game, the entire npc caldari ship naming scheme is based off of Japanese words usually variations on feudal Japanese soldiers and their equipment. I don't care how you believe the corporations run or should run, you are wrong, everything suggested by Galm and Mina conforms to the naming conventions of eve. It's incongruous to the point of being jarring when you try to toss out Italian names for a race that has zero connection to anything Italian, in fact it just makes your condescending attitude look stupid and woefully uninformed when you cant do enough basic research to get the races naming conventions right. Quit being a self loathing weaboo, You might not like the Japanese titles suggested or even the non-Japanese ones but they are appropriate and to the point accurate, they stick to the root languages used by the races in their npc names. Furthermore I like the idea of staying away from non-standard military ranks, because we are immortal mercenaries not part of any existing military organization, so in addition to titles like "general" being painfully ****ing boring and underwhelming they ring particularly hollow due to all of our characters not actually existing within any faction military structure. One quick note on the Caldari language and naming scheme in Eve: they mix in a lot of Finnish language with Japanese as either stand alone or hybrid language words. You also see a couple words / phrases that might be Dutch or German but the lion share is Japanese & Finnish. Couple links: [url]http://fourthdistrict.net/forums/index.php?topic=1172.0[/url] https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=21105 "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1240	Posted - 2014.08.03 13:38:00 - [7] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Bear in mind dude that the Templis Drangonaurs are U-nat terrorists who are even hunted by the state. They are now. I just went back and read through al the lore posts in EVO. That said...still might not be a bad idea to have them on the list (any doubt they would be involved in FW against the Gals?) but I totally see your point. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen