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Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 10713	Posted - 2014.07.07 21:28:00 - [1] - Quote They're simply the most common scout by far. Hit detection tends to be screwy in DUST, regardless of suit, however the speed of scouts increases that amount of problems it has. Gallente scouts have recently been nerfed, and this turned Caldari scouts into the go to combat scout suit (before it was an even split). Since Caldari scouts are more common, the chances of you encountering hit detection issues with one are higher. We don't remember when hit detection works right because we expect it to work right, but when it doesn't and it gets us killed, we remember it more, thinking it's more common than it actually is. And since Caldari scouts have a higher chance of being that screwy hit detection suit than any other scout, we remember a lot of bad moments with Caldari scouts, which gives us a false impression that it's that specific suit. Thank you Aeon Amadi for your hit detection video, allowing me to see past the "It's the suit" and to think of another possibility. -Meow Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Tectonic Fusion 1860	Posted - 2014.07.07 21:30:00 - [2] - Quote The Gallente scout is still better if you use it right. Kin cat, range mod, armor plate, dampener, and 2 complex shields. Use it as an assassin to kill the cal scouts.
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 10713	Posted - 2014.07.07 21:31:00 - [3] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: The Gallente scout is still better if you use it right. Kin cat, range mod, armor plate, dampener, and 2 complex shields. Use it as an assassin to kill the cal scouts. Your assassin isn't working if the Caldari scout can see you coming :P Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Atiim Fooly Cooly. Anime Empire. 10269	Posted - 2014.07.07 21:31:00 - [4] - Quote I think the real problem with the Caldari Scout is that they can exceed 300 eHP. Then again, that's a problem with nearly all Scouts. Long Live The Anime Empire "You know what? You really, REALLY, like to dampen the mood" - Lea Silencio -HAND
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 10713	Posted - 2014.07.07 21:32:00 - [5] - Quote Atiim wrote: I think the real problem with the Caldari Scout is that they can exceed 300 eHP. Then again, that's a problem with nearly all Scouts. I agree with that, however I wanted to understand the reason that Caldari scouts are reported to have bad hit detection. This is my theory. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Atiim Fooly Cooly. Anime Empire. 10269	Posted - 2014.07.07 21:38:00 - [6] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Atiim wrote: I think the real problem with the Caldari Scout is that they can exceed 300 eHP. Then again, that's a problem with nearly all Scouts. I agree with that, however I wanted to understand the reason that Caldari scouts are reported to have bad hit detection. This is my theory. That would make the most sense considering how CCP Rattati confirmed that the hitboxes of the Caldari Scout is the exact same as the others. On a less related note, I wonder if Hit-Detection improvements would be possible server side. Long Live The Anime Empire "You know what? You really, REALLY, like to dampen the mood" - Lea Silencio -HAND
Malkai Inos Any Given Day 1476	Posted - 2014.07.07 21:49:00 - [7] - Quote So what you're saying is we're all prone to bias and should be more careful when inferring causal relationships from our own subjective experiences and anecdotes? That's like saying my brain is actually bad at objectively evaluating data. What a load of bullsh- oh wait. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Guiltless D667 41	Posted - 2014.07.07 21:49:00 - [8] - Quote Atiim wrote: I think the real problem with the Caldari Scout is that they can exceed 300 eHP. Then again, that's a problem with nearly all Scouts. I dont think it's the cal suit you have to worry about tanking with how demanding shield mods are,you see plenty of gal scouts doing that with over 600EHP with like 400armor and still having Ewar capabilities. edit:I concur A Strange Game.
Tectonic Fusion 1862	Posted - 2014.07.07 22:06:00 - [9] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: The Gallente scout is still better if you use it right. Kin cat, range mod, armor plate, dampener, and 2 complex shields. Use it as an assassin to kill the cal scouts. Your assassin isn't working if the Caldari scout can see you coming :P You're doing it wrong if he can see you. Mathematically, you can evade the cal scout with 3 complex dampeners on a gal scout with level 5 and a proto cloak. Even with a 4 complex precision cal scout. That's around 110% dampening for the gal and 105% for the cal. Of course those numbers are wrong, but it just shows the difference of course, leaving the gal scout an extra slot for whatever.
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 10717	Posted - 2014.07.07 22:09:00 - [10] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: The Gallente scout is still better if you use it right. Kin cat, range mod, armor plate, dampener, and 2 complex shields. Use it as an assassin to kill the cal scouts. Your assassin isn't working if the Caldari scout can see you coming :P You're doing it wrong if he can see you. Mathematically, you can evade the cal scout with 3 complex dampeners on a gal scout with level 5 and a proto cloak. Even with a 4 complex precision cal scout. That's around 110% dampening for the gal and 105% for the cal. Of course those numbers are wrong, but it just shows the difference of course, leaving the gal scout an extra slot for whatever. Here's the thing. Caldari get free 50hp/s on their shields, and extremely low delays, while Gallente has 3hp/s on the armor (lol). So basically, whatever HP you put on? It's going to be worth less than the Caldari HP, because it is restored painfully slow. In addition, that Caldari can see EVERYTHING around it within a good radius, including most scouts, not so much with the Gallente scout. Scanning is much more powerful than dampening. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC

Jotun Izalaru Goonfeet 147	Posted - 2014.07.07 22:23:00 - [11] - Quote Atiim wrote: I think the real problem with the Caldari Scout is that they can exceed 300 eHP. Yep. I miss when the tradeoff for my superior maneuverability and versatility was being paper-thin. It lowered the skill ceiling for scouting harshly and made scouts the best combat suit in the game.
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 1258	Posted - 2014.07.07 22:54:00 - [12] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: The Gallente scout is still better if you use it right. Kin cat, range mod, armor plate, dampener, and 2 complex shields. Use it as an assassin to kill the cal scouts. Your assassin isn't working if the Caldari scout can see you coming :P I was going to say, on the odd occasion I break out the Gk.0 I run triple damps if there are Caldari scouts or Gall logis. It leaves you with so little to play with though as a Gallente.... MY LIFE FOR AIUR! Protoss You gonna' give me orders? Terran "Cat got your tongue? Zerg Queen of Blades.
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 1258	Posted - 2014.07.07 22:56:00 - [13] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: The Gallente scout is still better if you use it right. Kin cat, range mod, armor plate, dampener, and 2 complex shields. Use it as an assassin to kill the cal scouts. Your assassin isn't working if the Caldari scout can see you coming :P You're doing it wrong if he can see you. Mathematically, you can evade the cal scout with 3 complex dampeners on a gal scout with level 5 and a proto cloak. Even with a 4 complex precision cal scout. That's around 110% dampening for the gal and 105% for the cal. Of course those numbers are wrong, but it just shows the difference of course, leaving the gal scout an extra slot for whatever. I am pretty sure Cat was referring to the lack of Dampener stacking on that guys build.... MY LIFE FOR AIUR! Protoss You gonna' give me orders? Terran "Cat got your tongue? Zerg Queen of Blades.
Tectonic Fusion 1867	Posted - 2014.07.08 03:28:00 - [14] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: The Gallente scout is still better if you use it right. Kin cat, range mod, armor plate, dampener, and 2 complex shields. Use it as an assassin to kill the cal scouts. Your assassin isn't working if the Caldari scout can see you coming :P I was going to say, on the odd occasion I break out the Gk.0 I run triple damps if there are Caldari scouts or Gall logis. It leaves you with so little to play with though as a Gallente.... Double post And all you really need is a complex plate and a high DPS weapon with the shield extenders and you're good to go.


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