DUST Search - this game needs to be fixed

Monkey MAC wrote:

Eko Sol wrote:

Monkey MAC wrote:

[quote=Eko Sol]In Dust's case I have a serious issue with the debate for P2W.

1st, the best uplink in the game is AUR if you don't go into the LP store. Even if you only get 5 spawns just be a advanced A-Logi and you get 11.

LP store is free is it not, does that not solve the issue? The whole point of the LP store is to get 'AUR-Named' items with paying for them.

2nd, There are TONS of BPO's that give people huge advantages. Running BPO's saves isk for the times you want Proto. No new player has this advantage.

BPO's only apply to standard gear, which is only marginally (as in just barely) better than mlt. New players have access to 3 unlimited fits, for the entire duration of the game,, without paying a dime.

3rd, If you are like me and make a good living then you buy tons of omega's every time you can. Then use them on events. Hence why I have only played since like November and have almost 30 mil SP. Tell me that is truly not an advantage?

You can have 300mil SP, but as I'm sure you are aware SP only gets you so far, just because you have more SP does not make you any more likely to beat me in my mlt amarr suit

4th, Being able to purchase an item above your current SP is a way of paying to win. You get more PG/CPU thus more HP and, typically, do more damage. The advantage is small but for experienced and skilled FPS players it is gigantic.
If we had a matchmaking system that put AUR proto gear with traditional advanced gear, then yesmthat would undoubtedly be a pay to win feature, but considering we have NO matchmaking, no its not.

This game may not be P2W in the traditional sense but in some ways it is definitely P2W on the lower part of the spectrum. There is no debate on the matter. The facts are facts.

There is plenty of debate over the matter, the fact fact that you have to, give arguements to prove your point, shows this.
The fact this, thread even exsists shows it is very much up for debate.

OP, unfortunately just because he is in AUR gear is not the reason he beat you. The reason he beat you is because, he beat you.
Chances are he was in proto variant gear in which case, it wouldn't matter if he was AUR or not he would still have clobbered you all the same.

I wasn't giving facts to prove an argument I was just stating that you can pay to get something better than those that don't pay hence it is P2W.

Your rebuttles are terrible. They still prove me to be correct. Someone brand new without doing anything but buying AUR and AUR items can have an advantage over someone else that is brand new that can't afford it.

dust math: getting killed by ion pistol = dropping the soap,useful item= nerfhammer, protostomp= WHY GOD!!!


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Talon Paetznick II Gallente Federation Resistance 31	Posted - 2014.07.11 13:08:00 - [1] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Eko Sol wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: [quote=Eko Sol]In Dust's case I have a serious issue with the debate for P2W. 1st, the best uplink in the game is AUR if you don't go into the LP store. Even if you only get 5 spawns just be a advanced A-Logi and you get 11. LP store is free is it not, does that not solve the issue? The whole point of the LP store is to get 'AUR-Named' items with paying for them. 2nd, There are TONS of BPO's that give people huge advantages. Running BPO's saves isk for the times you want Proto. No new player has this advantage. BPO's only apply to standard gear, which is only marginally (as in just barely) better than mlt. New players have access to 3 unlimited fits, for the entire duration of the game,, without paying a dime. 3rd, If you are like me and make a good living then you buy tons of omega's every time you can. Then use them on events. Hence why I have only played since like November and have almost 30 mil SP. Tell me that is truly not an advantage? You can have 300mil SP, but as I'm sure you are aware SP only gets you so far, just because you have more SP does not make you any more likely to beat me in my mlt amarr suit 4th, Being able to purchase an item above your current SP is a way of paying to win. You get more PG/CPU thus more HP and, typically, do more damage. The advantage is small but for experienced and skilled FPS players it is gigantic. If we had a matchmaking system that put AUR proto gear with traditional advanced gear, then yesmthat would undoubtedly be a pay to win feature, but considering we have NO matchmaking, no its not. This game may not be P2W in the traditional sense but in some ways it is definitely P2W on the lower part of the spectrum. There is no debate on the matter. The facts are facts. There is plenty of debate over the matter, the fact fact that you have to, give arguements to prove your point, shows this. The fact this, thread even exsists shows it is very much up for debate. OP, unfortunately just because he is in AUR gear is not the reason he beat you. The reason he beat you is because, he beat you. Chances are he was in proto variant gear in which case, it wouldn't matter if he was AUR or not he would still have clobbered you all the same. I wasn't giving facts to prove an argument I was just stating that you can pay to get something better than those that don't pay hence it is P2W. Your rebuttles are terrible. They still prove me to be correct. Someone brand new without doing anything but buying AUR and AUR items can have an advantage over someone else that is brand new that can't afford it. So you completly actually ignore the arguements then? I'll say again, BPO's give pretty minimal improvements, litterally the difference is PG/CPU usage. If I paid 30 quid for a BPO I'd be damn dissapointed. You still seem to competly ignore that actual skill trumps SP everytime. Being able to pay for suits over your current SP if anything gives you a disadvantage. Since you don't recieve the bonuses and passive boosts. An AUR Proto at Advanced SP is worse off then a Proto at Proto SP. The only thing you can actually pertain to argue is the boosters, but once you get past about 5 mill SP you can have all the important upgrades in Dropsuit Upgrades, so we are once again on pretty even ground. More SP just means you can be more wasteful, it gives you more choice but the end result can still be the same. You do not get enough of an advantage for it to be P2W, for an example of PSW I would refer you to ES online, you can pay with real money for gear that is blantantly overpowered, that is P2W, since the advantage you recieve is enough to make victory assured. [/quote he is right, on the battlefield skill trumps sp and sp trumps aur I can take on a proto hvy in a basic scout minmitar dropsuit using only adv nova knives WITHOUT CLOAKING (with cloak however my job is made much easier dust math: getting killed by ion pistol = dropping the soap,useful item= nerfhammer, protostomp= WHY GOD!!!