I actually disagree with you. I understand your side of the story and that a blueprint LAV loaded down with an entire suite of remote explosives that are rather cheap can blow your expensive tank sky high.

But why shouldn't it? Tankers are generally cowardly players. I feel like that's half of the motivation behind skilling your character into a tank. Its people who are worried about their kill death ratio because they can't deal with losing (at a video game where everyone wins and loses on a consistent basis)

I have zero tank skills. I have never had desire to have tank skills. I don't have dropship skills either because I want to be in the thick of it, up close and personal with you guys duking it out and seeing who the better man is. Sometimes its you, sometimes its me. Its fun.

Flying in the sky and dropping death from above or rolling around in a big armored "look how big my shag-stick is" vehicle and going 70/0 in a game or camping objectives (both tank/dropship) is a cowardly move.

So why not roll a Jihad LAV right up to the tank and blow it....want to know a really smooth tactic? Its one that I use...I get the LAV going as fast as I can make it go....I can judge how far it'll roll once I jump out...I hop out, watch it go...I can switch to my remote detonator quickly and POP! Tank goes bye bye.

Tanks are annoying. They enable cowards to be cowards. I understand your call to arms to remove the jihad jeeps and I will support you on that when you also make a call to arms to remove the ability for players to be cowards.

You can rip opponents out of Titans in Titanfall, but I can't hop on the tank, open the hatch and shoot you in the face like the cowardly little terd that you are? Oh but you can shoot me in the LAV while I'm driving (I personally love that lol)

Do you see my point?

JLAVs can (and usually are) insta-killed by anything which happens to fire at the front part of the vehicle, creating a reasonable amount of danger for the Pilot. Most terrain in DUST 514 is rather bumpy, which can make hitting a vehicle at full speed difficult, creating a problem for the Pilot.

Therefore, JLAVs cannot -definitively- be considered "low-risk" I won't even bother addressing the "low-effort" argument, as it's laughably hypocritical considering how "low-effort" piloting an HAV is.

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yes I have tanked.... but that wasn't my point... I was trying to convey the frustration of non tankers who are told by tankers their means of anti tanking takes no skill, while tankers act like they are the only skill intensive role in the game.

I'm sorry that went over your head... I'll try to type more slowly for you in the future....

Proto Amarr Heavies are 3-4 shot at the least depending on they're configuration. Never one shotted.

I never said jlav is my style of av... I use nades, swarms (proto) and forge too (at 3 atm)

the point is to give another option, both effective and fun... and seriously... whats the point???? then I could say the same of rifles, why have more than one type... that's just a ridiculous thing to ask....

and it does take skill... its all about dodging fire sneaking into position maneuvering well and hitting the tank the right way and compensating afterward for a second try if it doesn't pan out... and yes HAV is sp intensive... but that doesn't mean it takes a lot of player effort... whether tanking does or doesn't take skil isn't even the point...

the point is to respect the way other people play even if it is different than yours, so long as they aren't using exploits or other cheats....

in this whole thread you still haven't told me how jlavs break the game.... because you cant.... because they don't.

JLAVs aren't ideal for every situation, because the terrain may be ridiculously bumpy, and you may be facing a tanker who's actually competent and destroys the JLAV every time.

The point of Forge Guns and Swarm Launchers, would be long range AV Weaponry.


Swarm Launchers require that you have situational awareness, as you -typically- cannot see around you during engagements because your too focused on the vehicle.

They also require that you make every shot count (resource management) due to the awful ammunition reserves, and they require patience in the sense that firing at the wrong time guarantees that your target escapes (the only other AV weapon actively requiring this skill is the Plasma Cannon).

HAV Piloting is not as skill intensive as Forging. The FGer puts themselves at risk to far more items, and has a TTK far lower than that of an HAV. When you also consider the fact that an HAV can easily escape danger in most situations, they're quite literally the easiest item to use in DUST 514.

Since JLAV needs to go i think we should introduce seat switch delay. Say 4 seconds to prevent you from using your same coward like tactics. How about that. Hello Pot, meet Kettle...

put some small rail turrets on that tank and get a buddy to shoot for you, problem solved... also it literally takes one shot from the big turret to connect to make a jlav go poof...