DUST Search - Suicide LAVs Must Go

Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:

RayRay James wrote:

Harpyja wrote:

The dark cloud wrote:

There is no issue with suicide LAV's. The guy who is doing it dies aswell so man up. Maybe you should get a tank with 3 turrets instead of just 1. 6 eyes see more then 2 except if you are gallente then you got 4.

Then riddle me this: if it takes two people (driver and gunner) to kill a threat, then why can one person kill a tank?

I can solo a tank with a pro forge gun, should I be nerfed too?
Also, did you really complain that a forge gun can deplete you shields with 4 shots? not kill you, DEPLETE YOUR SHIELDS? Good God man, grow a pair.

Yes.

My EHP-fit Gunnlogi, with resistances to forge guns, can be stripped of shields in a single magazine from an AFG.

With a friend, I'm dead in moments. Without one, surviving is a matter of skill. It's not particularly difficult to land hits on a tank, and AFG's damage is enormous.

And I've noticed recently that I'm not the only one switching to my FG when there are tanks on the field anymore. It takes no more than a minute of time, and that tank is destroyed. Recently I run with a MinMando who carries swarms in his secondary slot. Tanks do not survive. We run ISK-positive. We don't need to use scrub tactics including but not limited to: non-rendering swarms (yes it's still possible if you know how) and Jihad Jeeping.

I'd also like to emphasise that NONE OF OUR COMPLAINTS STEM FROM BEING SOLOED.
Our complaints are specifically about the zero-ISK, high-success rate, zero-skill strategy that is Jihad Jeeping.


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Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2979	Posted - 2014.07.03 14:31:00 - [1] - Quote Why? It's easy to counter if you bring a rifle. The fact it barely happens should be enough. Instead let's stop tanks ramming all their teammates and their vehicles like spoilt little brats first eh? My suit's a bit rusty, but that could just as easily be me! Monkey Mac - Swinging from the Rooftops Forum Warrior Lvl2
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2979	Posted - 2014.07.03 14:41:00 - [2] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Why? It's easy to counter if you bring a rifle. The fact it barely happens should be enough. Instead let's stop tanks ramming all their teammates and their vehicles like spoilt little brats first eh? Bring a rifle? How's that going to help? My missile turret will do a better job. But that's if I spot them. But usually I only hear them within 10 meters and they're already up my ass and exploded by the time I can react. And yes they do occur frequently. I lost multiple tanks yesterday in different battles to suicide LAVs. Many other battles where I saw the usage of a suicide LAV so to reduce the risk of going ISK-negative (which is easy to do now, it's almost like we're back to 1.6) I switch to my Python so I can't get suicide LAV'ed. So sneaking up on you is not allowed then? Hmm? One second. My suit's a bit rusty, but that could just as easily be me! Monkey Mac - Swinging from the Rooftops Forum Warrior Lvl2
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2979	Posted - 2014.07.03 15:13:00 - [3] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Rynoceros wrote: Harpyja wrote: suicided his LAV into my militia fit Neutron Blaster Madrugar You said it. I apologize for not having more intimate knowledge of what people use to run 8000 HP, super repped scrub loadouts. It's not super reps even more. Can't defend ourselves against proper AV anymore. We can't even fight back, you think that's fair? How about we give heavies the EHP of a medium suit and can only use Nova Knives. You can't fight back effectively nor can you defend yourself effectively. I actually think either blasters need to be un-nerfed or heavy reps need to be un-nerfed. We either need to be able to attack back or defend ourselves from AV. Currently I have to run with my tail between my legs because I can't do either. Was the blaster nerf that bad? I didn't think itwas all that bad! I can still hit people provided I don't just spray and pray like an overpayed action hero. You have plenty of EHP You have plenty of Damage from your large turret You have 2 light turret slots for greater accuracy if you need it And you have massive passive scan radius that picks up the LAV's for you! Really sounds like a sentinel with nova knives. More like a commando with a scanner and nova kinves! My suit's a bit rusty, but that could just as easily be me! Monkey Mac - Swinging from the Rooftops Forum Warrior Lvl2
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2979	Posted - 2014.07.03 15:25:00 - [4] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Why? It's easy to counter if you bring a rifle. The fact it barely happens should be enough. Instead let's stop tanks ramming all their teammates and their vehicles like spoilt little brats first eh? It's EXTREMELY easy to counter if you have a blaster gunner. Teamwork saves lives. You might say small blasters suck, but consider this: it has extremely high RoF and bad accuracy: that means your chance of a stray shot hitting (and detonating) an RE is extremely high. Yes but that is teamwork, the fact you can do it without a team member is what's important. Although if we want to by teamwork, you have an assortment infantry with you and they will take care of it for you, especially the AV one. My suit's a bit rusty, but that could just as easily be me! Monkey Mac - Swinging from the Rooftops Forum Warrior Lvl2
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2987	Posted - 2014.07.03 19:27:00 - [5] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: RayRay James wrote: Harpyja wrote: The dark cloud wrote: There is no issue with suicide LAV's. The guy who is doing it dies aswell so man up. Maybe you should get a tank with 3 turrets instead of just 1. 6 eyes see more then 2 except if you are gallente then you got 4. Then riddle me this: if it takes two people (driver and gunner) to kill a threat, then why can one person kill a tank? I can solo a tank with a pro forge gun, should I be nerfed too? Also, did you really complain that a forge gun can deplete you shields with 4 shots? not kill you, DEPLETE YOUR SHIELDS? Good God man, grow a pair. Yes. My EHP-fit Gunnlogi, with resistances to forge guns, can be stripped of shields in a single magazine from an AFG. With a friend, I'm dead in moments. Without one, surviving is a matter of skill. It's not particularly difficult to land hits on a tank, and AFG's damage is enormous. And I've noticed recently that I'm not the only one switching to my FG when there are tanks on the field anymore. It takes no more than a minute of time, and that tank is destroyed. Recently I run with a MinMando who carries swarms in his secondary slot. Tanks do not survive. We run ISK-positive. We don't need to use scrub tactics including but not limited to: non-rendering swarms (yes it's still possible if you know how) and Jihad Jeeping. I'd also like to emphasise that NONE OF OUR COMPLAINTS STEM FROM BEING SOLOED. Our complaints are specifically about the zero-ISK, high-success rate, zero-skill strategy that is Jihad Jeeping. Zero-ISK - BUSTED - 30,000 LAV, 12,000 Dropsuit, 10,000 RE's and that is litterally if it is fit only to permit Lav Bombing. High-Success Rate - BUSTED - Have you tried Lav Bombing? Actually doing it and not just succeeding a half dozen times and decoding that makes it OP RE's Sniped RE's Shot RE's Clip invisible terrain Proximity explosives Stray Locus Grenade 1x AV Grenade 1x Plasma Cannon Shot 1x Railgun Shot 1x Missile (Both Turret sizes) Using a shield Repper just before contact Being hardened on contact Travelling too slow Target in enclosed space Target running over vehicle Target getting out of vehicle amd shooting HMG Swarm launcher (No word of lie) RE's clipped cloaked scout Brick Walls Lamposts Stairs Turret Installations Orbitals Enemy vehicle exploding in close proximty Friendly vehicle exploding in close proximity Target hiding behind corner Target outrunning you (impact too slow) Installation dropping in close proximity Target being in redline Target being in 'off-road' terrain Being Rodeoed (A LAV Bomb, bombing your LAV Bomb) Being Chased by enemy LAV with gunner Being Pit Manouvered by Enemy LAV All of these can/have and will cause a LAV Bomb to fail. It's only high success if you 1) Sit in a relatively stationary position (moving no more than 50-100m) 2) Sitting in the Middle of Long Paved Open Stretch of Road 3) Playing a tank like it is still overpowered Skillless? - Plausible - But so is tanking, Sniping, Aim Assist using, FOTM chasing, using explosives, using hitscan, using cloaks, using HMG, using sentinel suits. It kills you and if you are paying attention, rather quickly, therefore as far you will ever be concerned it is skilless. My suit's a bit rusty, but that could just as easily be me! Monkey Mac - Swinging from the Rooftops Forum Warrior Lvl2
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2992	Posted - 2014.07.03 22:32:00 - [6] - Quote Zelda Harkinian wrote: True Adamance wrote: Zelda Harkinian wrote: I like suicide jeeps. Dust is supposed to be an open -sand box shooter so I love it when I see things that are a result of players thinking outside the box. Suicide Jeeps, Logis with Cloaks, a sentinal hopped up on myofibrils, Dropships as makeshift barricades. Also, we're clones. our lives are expendable, so a suicide jeep seems very fitting, both gameplay-wise and lore-wise... Let me know when I can crash me RE'd up Tormentor into Titans okay bro. I don't know what that means. (o_O) Small EvE craft, mahusive EvE craft. Basically he is likening his cheap-ass tank to a multibillion space ship that's abojt the size of a moon. What he also forgets to mention is that Titans can't target ships below a certain size without purposefully gimping your craft amd fittimg undersized turrets. For a dust equivalent, tanks would only be capable of shooting infantry if they put a small turret in their large turret slot. I'm more concerned he is likening his tank to a titan, it's almost like he thinks he should only just be short of invincible. My suit's a bit rusty, but that could just as easily be me! Monkey Mac - Swinging from the Rooftops Forum Warrior Lvl2