DUST Search - TTK needs to go up again

Mortedeamor wrote:

think ccp should figure out where they want the rr and cr/...and then they should nerf them beyond that point and give they're racial suits..bonus's that bring them back up to where they want them to be. ..this also will put the other racial types in the same place vs they're assault version as the amar. in the sense that no suit will be as baddass witha rifle as the assault AS IT SHOULD BE.

the ar should shine above and beyond on the gal assault and gal commando
the scr and lr should and do shine on the amar variants
the rr ?anysuit doesnt matter
the cr? anysuit doesnt matter

sure you will still be able to kill with rr and cr..but it will be like when my logi uses the lr vs my assault...a few deaths vs's a slaying stream..(assault)

all ccp needs to do to fix the assaults is model them after the amarrians. our empress in all her glory may she live forever foresaw that without a bonus directly effecting the performance of the racial weapon..being applied to our assaults..they would become obsolete.

none of the assault variants feel like pure slaying fits meant for killing not like the amar scr or amar lr assaults.

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Egonz4 390	Posted - 2014.07.02 15:25:00 - [1] - Quote Is it just me....cuz it seems pretty bad still.....or maybe I just keep getting two shotted by ScR's. Thoughts? Master of The Flaylock
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2968	Posted - 2014.07.02 15:31:00 - [2] - Quote These Rifle Changes will fix that! Unbalanced: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oQQ9DSTVq-tvOhZDXICz63PmZcHcvJqntya_gTri-50/edit?usp=sharing Balanced: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OYGYch9cUVaM9jX06BTUC9pc5LY8w6wrtQHjMKn6z5w/edit?usp=sharing My suit's a bit rusty, but that could just as easily be me! Monkey Mac - Swinging from the Rooftops Forum Warrior Lvl2
Onesimus Tarsus Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 2224	Posted - 2014.07.02 15:40:00 - [3] - Quote True balance comes from having the same sized kid on both sides of the see-saw, not by placing weights on the light kid. K/D(r) WP/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period. Seriously. Think about it.
Mauren NOON The Exemplars Top Men. 334	Posted - 2014.07.02 16:17:00 - [4] - Quote ttk is so low because #combatrifle #itsOP #plsnerf Scr and commando enthusiast. A commando is not just a suit, but a way of life... "The only thing to fear is fear itself"
Mortedeamor NoGameNoLife 1775	Posted - 2014.07.02 16:28:00 - [5] - Quote heres a thought look at the last thing i said in this thread and there is my answer to why you keep getting slaughtered https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=166753&find=unread
Mortedeamor NoGameNoLife 1775	Posted - 2014.07.02 16:33:00 - [6] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: heres a thought look at the last thing i said in this thread and there is my answer to why you keep getting slaughtered https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=166753&find=unread nevermind here ya go this #85 Posted: 2014.07.02 16:21 \| Report 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: swag counts for allot dust for me is officially about enjoyment i enjoy the laser and can stomp with it...rr is boring and op lol way overly situation and doesnt make you have to specialize to slaughter at all...entirely to boring for an amarrian..combat rifle to for that matter..they can be put on anysuit in dust and stomped with..i think thats a fault . if all racial variants followed the amar assault in this fashion assaults would have a clear and obvious niche i think they should nerf the rr and cr and change the assault suits in some way to make them compliment them in a way that promotes specialized slaying like the amar assault does. ..this was convo tiberius's words I can definitely get behind this. The Amarr Assault is truly the best designed Weapons System in Dust, the ScR as well as LR are augmented so exponentially on this suit its a thing of beauty. I always shake my head when I see other Amarr Assaults with RRs or CRs, it's absolutely stupid to not fit a ScR or LR on it. If all the other suits were designed this way we would have such a diverse battlefield, or maybe just everyone in the same suit with the CR cause it's the only weapon ever used in PC ever. Heck I use it. and now for what morte said maybe..everyone would be in the same suit..but i feel like this is how ccp should go about bringing balance to the rifles and bringing purpose to the assaults...the scr and lr clearly shine and perform above and beyond when coupled with the amar assault.. i feel like if they tryed to..make the other assault have a similar effect when coupled with they're racial rifles..they could easier bring balance. right now we have one assault thats a specialization suit.. amar armor and lasers then we have these general assault suits..that while they are better than the basic racial frames...they might as well be basic..they do not enhance the assault aspect general assaults and we have an amor assault suit..in the galente the shield in the caldari and the speed in the minnie now if they made them all specialization suits...suits like logi and scouts and heavies would have a clear disadvantage when running rifles... right now anysuit using a scr and lr not ona amar assault..is at a clear disadvantage when facing the amar assault..with the ONLY exception being amar commando..and then they both just work better differently i want the same to be said for the other rifle variants.. i think ccp should figure out where they want the rr and cr/...and then they should nerf them beyond that point and give they're racial suits..bonus's that bring them back up to where they want them to be. ..this also will put the other racial types in the same place vs they're assault version as the amar. in the sense that no suit will be as baddass witha rifle as the assault AS IT SHOULD BE. the ar should shine above and beyond on the gal assault and gal commando the scr and lr should and do shine on the amar variants the rr ?anysuit doesnt matter the cr? anysuit doesnt matter sure you will still be able to kill with rr and cr..but it will be like when my logi uses the lr vs my assault...a few deaths vs's a slaying stream..(assault) all ccp needs to do to fix the assaults is model them after the amarrians. our empress in all her glory may she live forever foresaw that without a bonus directly effecting the performance of the racial weapon..being applied to our assaults..they would become obsolete. none of the assault variants feel like pure slaying fits meant for killing not like the amar scr or amar lr assaults.
Boot Booter Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 637	Posted - 2014.07.02 16:36:00 - [7] - Quote Honestly I think ttk is fine where it is. SMG Specialist
Mortedeamor NoGameNoLife 1775	Posted - 2014.07.02 16:37:00 - [8] - Quote oh and btw doing something as simple as raising ttk will make u just get 1 shotted by the scr lol
Morathi III Policeman of the Federation 133	Posted - 2014.07.02 16:38:00 - [9] - Quote TTK is perfectly fine, CCP Rattari did a nice job so far no joke, the game just go better, some stuff need to be balanced by few now, not by a big marging
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15679	Posted - 2014.07.02 18:09:00 - [10] - Quote TTK feels just about right; enough hp and hp module value to make a difference between fits that tank and those who don't and its long enough to let most players to try to respond to what is happening to them before they drop dead. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Gallente Logistics =// Unlocked

CRNWLLC Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 340	Posted - 2014.07.02 18:37:00 - [11] - Quote Onesimus Tarsus wrote: True balance comes from having the same sized kid on both sides of the see-saw, not by placing weights on the light kid. XD Put the weights on the fat kid and make him run! Balance!
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 2071	Posted - 2014.07.02 18:49:00 - [12] - Quote TTK is fine.. works good for DUST's pubs. The issue with people feeling they died to quick is more how they die. If the shots that kill you make sense.. and seem player delivered then you accept it usually as your error and mistake and look to improve upon that situation. Often in DUST the shots that land or kill you make little sense. Often they can't land a shot then all of a sudden they can't miss.. Have impossible tracking at in your face close fights...can't hit the player in a toe to toe duel but somehow sprays down their full health as they jump over a railing to flee. This echoes in almost every engagement.. players don't often move to maximize aiming ability because they just don't have to worry about it. You live when you expect players to have the ability to aim and shoot and then you die frequently when there should be little chance of it. It's a MindFreak.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 15096	Posted - 2014.07.02 19:21:00 - [13] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: These Rifle Changes will fix that! Unbalanced: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oQQ9DSTVq-tvOhZDXICz63PmZcHcvJqntya_gTri-50/edit?usp=sharing Balanced: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OYGYch9cUVaM9jX06BTUC9pc5LY8w6wrtQHjMKn6z5w/edit?usp=sharing Those rifle changes are terrible. Why would you go for a linear progression of DPS vs range when there is charge time, overheat, and semi-automatic natures to consider? You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Polka will never die.
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 494	Posted - 2014.07.02 20:03:00 - [14] - Quote Bethhy wrote: TTK is fine.. works good for DUST's pubs. The issue with people feeling they died to quick is more how they die. If the shots that kill you make sense.. and seem player delivered then you accept it usually as your error and mistake and look to improve upon that situation. Often in DUST the shots that land or kill you make little sense. Often they can't land a shot then all of a sudden they can't miss.. Have impossible tracking at in your face close fights...can't hit the player in a toe to toe duel but somehow sprays down their full health as they jump over a railing to flee. This echoes in almost every engagement.. players don't often move to maximize aiming ability because they just don't have to worry about it. You live when you expect players to have the ability to aim and shoot and then you die frequently when there should be little chance of it. It's a MindFreak. Add getting shot through, around, under and over things that shouldn't be possible, or getting snared, knocked out of a solid escape route or jump, getting grabbed my walls or bumps in the road trying to strafe around a corner...a lot of my deaths have me saying "O.o heh?" Or just outright calling bs. I hope they gut the core of this game for legion and make it start off as a fully playable shooter before they add the accoutrements. Observe the public trust. Protect the innocent. Uphold the law.
Random Redberry Elite Intergalactic Mercenaries 6	Posted - 2014.09.25 16:51:00 - [15] - Quote i needs to go across like that way over there in my opinion like you people should so join my corp were good pls i got left as ceo what do? pls join
Heimdallr69 Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 3698	Posted - 2014.09.25 16:55:00 - [16] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: TTK feels just about right; enough hp and hp module value to make a difference between fits that tank and those who don't and its long enough to let most players to try to respond to what is happening to them before they drop dead. This.. Heavies are already a pain and over spammed so why give them a buff? We all know TTk won't change when being hit by an HMG so this would only buff heavies, no thanks. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
valad II NoGameNoLife 96	Posted - 2014.09.25 16:57:00 - [17] - Quote Mauren NOON wrote: ttk is so low because #combatrifle #itsOP #plsnerf The combat rifle didnt one shot me like the damn bolt pistol did yesterday. That was funny, ragey sh!t.
valad II NoGameNoLife 96	Posted - 2014.09.25 16:58:00 - [18] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: TTK feels just about right; enough hp and hp module value to make a difference between fits that tank and those who don't and its long enough to let most players to try to respond to what is happening to them before they drop dead. This.. Heavies are already a pain and over spammed so why give them a buff? We all know TTk won't change when being hit by an HMG so this would only buff heavies, no thanks. Only time you engage a heavy is from beyond 60M with that damn Kali rail rifle.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1541	Posted - 2014.09.25 16:59:00 - [19] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: think ccp should figure out where they want the rr and cr/...and then they should nerf them beyond that point and give they're racial suits..bonus's that bring them back up to where they want them to be. ..this also will put the other racial types in the same place vs they're assault version as the amar. in the sense that no suit will be as baddass witha rifle as the assault AS IT SHOULD BE. the ar should shine above and beyond on the gal assault and gal commando the scr and lr should and do shine on the amar variants the rr ?anysuit doesnt matter the cr? anysuit doesnt matter sure you will still be able to kill with rr and cr..but it will be like when my logi uses the lr vs my assault...a few deaths vs's a slaying stream..(assault) all ccp needs to do to fix the assaults is model them after the amarrians. our empress in all her glory may she live forever foresaw that without a bonus directly effecting the performance of the racial weapon..being applied to our assaults..they would become obsolete. none of the assault variants feel like pure slaying fits meant for killing not like the amar scr or amar lr assaults. This, this, this, and more this. So dead on that it's scary. As it is now, the scouts do it better, but if this idea were implemented, I'd bet many of the true slayers would gravitate away from their scout suits to assaults -- as it should be, IMO, and it will lead towards more suit/weapon diversity rather than the scout-heavy squads most prevalent in pubs and seen almost exclusively in PC these days.
Heimdallr69 Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 3699	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:00:00 - [20] - Quote valad II wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: TTK feels just about right; enough hp and hp module value to make a difference between fits that tank and those who don't and its long enough to let most players to try to respond to what is happening to them before they drop dead. This.. Heavies are already a pain and over spammed so why give them a buff? We all know TTk won't change when being hit by an HMG so this would only buff heavies, no thanks. Only time you engage a heavy is from beyond 60M with that damn Kali rail rifle. Yeah except when I have to take the objective cuz my 15 other blueberries are jerking each other off. I'm actually trying the carthum since it got nerfed(accidental) Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro

Michael Arck 5769	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:01:00 - [21] - Quote Adjustment period required after every patch for me. Maybe you need the same? Archistrategos / The 7th Prime / Selah *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
John Psi Vacuum Cleaner. LLC Steel Balls Alliance 960	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:02:00 - [22] - Quote TTK is fine now... maybe not 4 logi =) Please support fair play!
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1541	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:03:00 - [23] - Quote p.s. I tend to agree with the OP, and I'd like to see an overall increase in TTK. A bit too "who saw who first" or "who was cloaked/dampened" for my liking.
valad II NoGameNoLife 97	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:04:00 - [24] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: valad II wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: TTK feels just about right; enough hp and hp module value to make a difference between fits that tank and those who don't and its long enough to let most players to try to respond to what is happening to them before they drop dead. This.. Heavies are already a pain and over spammed so why give them a buff? We all know TTk won't change when being hit by an HMG so this would only buff heavies, no thanks. Only time you engage a heavy is from beyond 60M with that damn Kali rail rifle. Yeah except when I have to take the objective cuz my 15 other blueberries are jerking each other off. I'm actually trying the carthum since it got nerfed(accidental) They were praying for a happy ending? Did you deliver it? LOL I will check out the Carthum, the Viziam is fun though. Especially with all the CK.O's running around now thanks to the influx of SP.
valad II NoGameNoLife 97	Posted - 2014.09.25 17:07:00 - [25] - Quote I think they should change the entire layout of the dropsuit slots. Allow for more slots to be opened up for the Ewar along with keeping the survivability aspects the same. And give Heavies an equipment slot. They are so big and carry so much ammo, like they couldn't fit a nanohive. Just ranting, I hate running out of forge gun ammo.


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