DUST Search - good counters to caldari scouts.

Bethhy wrote:

Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:

so we all know how annoying and bullshit caldari scouts can be.

the most commone setup I see. is a caldari scout with boundless combat rifle. stacked shields. and lows with dampners.

compared to other scouts. I swear that the caldari scout has the smallest hitbox. would make sense if it were min minmatarr at least.

when compared to the other scouts. amarrian has ridiculos stamina/sprint/recovery. minmatarr has very brutal knives/hacking. gallente is good at hiding. then the caldari... good at seeing everything as well as managing to hide.

the only way I have even manged to kill a caladri scout without a tank.... is with my gk.o assault suit with creodron breach PR/ creo ion pistol.

how do you deal with these pesky caldari scouts?

Cal scouts do have the smallest hitbox :o(

Minmatar the largest... it's why they are so easy to hit..

It's how they balanced speedy suits when everyone had to actually aim for them selves..

Specially moving around at 10m/s in a scout suit having to aim for your self there was no 80-90% accuracy doing that before.. Falling down a hill and hitting completely accuractely... That didnt happen in the DUST that everyone romanticize over.. It was a FPS that produced deaths that made sense.. maybe 50% accuracy at best doing those actions and you have to limit your movement patterns to get steady consistent aim accuracy.

Flux a cal scout and spray .. they will just drop dead.. PLC's splash near one shots them.

otherwise just take advantage of bullets completely stunning and stopping movement on scout suits and spray in their general direction.

"Goddamn it! I have to take out my plasma cannon to kill him cause I can't kill him with my flay lock!"

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Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox 370	Posted - 2014.07.02 11:47:00 - [1] - Quote so we all know how annoying and bullshit caldari scouts can be. the most commone setup I see. is a caldari scout with boundless combat rifle. stacked shields. and lows with dampners. compared to other scouts. I swear that the caldari scout has the smallest hitbox. would make sense if it were min minmatarr at least. when compared to the other scouts. amarrian has ridiculos stamina/sprint/recovery. minmatarr has very brutal knives/hacking. gallente is good at hiding. then the caldari... good at seeing everything as well as managing to hide. the only way I have even manged to kill a caladri scout without a tank.... is with my gk.o assault suit with creodron breach PR/ creo ion pistol. how do you deal with these pesky caldari scouts? *Elite Gallenten Soldier*
Nitrobeacon Freek Coalition Freek Alliance 276	Posted - 2014.07.02 11:49:00 - [2] - Quote They aren't a big deal, I don't understand the fuss. I either snipe them or grenade them, the former happens most often.
Varoth Drac The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 152	Posted - 2014.07.02 12:02:00 - [3] - Quote I reckon heavys and Gallente scouts are the best counters, other than Caldari scouts fitted with 2 or 3 precision mods. Also anti shield weapons. CCP fixing the hit detection would be the best counter.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 2322	Posted - 2014.07.02 12:30:00 - [4] - Quote Laser Rifles are surprisingly good against CalScouts. Also, ARs, ScRs and HMGs. The Shotgun should OHK these guys, but it tends to "miss" them regularly. By "miss" I mean hitting them center mass will often deal zero damage. Something is off with the CalScout. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3386	Posted - 2014.07.02 12:33:00 - [5] - Quote Gal. logi with proto scanners. With the right scanner you even pick up dampened gal scouts.
NAV HIV The Generals 1851	Posted - 2014.07.02 12:45:00 - [6] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: so we all know how annoying and bullshit caldari scouts can be. the most commone setup I see. is a caldari scout with boundless combat rifle. stacked shields. and lows with dampners. compared to other scouts. I swear that the caldari scout has the smallest hitbox. would make sense if it were min minmatarr at least. when compared to the other scouts. amarrian has ridiculos stamina/sprint/recovery. minmatarr has very brutal knives/hacking. gallente is good at hiding. then the caldari... good at seeing everything as well as managing to hide. the only way I have even manged to kill a caladri scout without a tank.... is with my gk.o assault suit with creodron breach PR/ creo ion pistol. how do you deal with these pesky caldari scouts? Use a Scrambler... Any kind, pistol, rifle... Militia/proto doesn't matter... Cal scout would be dead...
Fizzer94 Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2770	Posted - 2014.07.02 13:01:00 - [7] - Quote Charge shot+Pew+Pew. Or you can just walk around with a Scrambler Rifle, I think most of them have learned to simply avoid those at this point. My best match on Dust, 23/6/4 Placon.
Texs Red DUST University Ivy League 348	Posted - 2014.07.02 13:01:00 - [8] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: so we all know how annoying and bullshit caldari scouts can be. the most commone setup I see. is a caldari scout with boundless combat rifle. stacked shields. and lows with dampners. compared to other scouts. I swear that the caldari scout has the smallest hitbox. would make sense if it were min minmatarr at least. when compared to the other scouts. amarrian has ridiculos stamina/sprint/recovery. minmatarr has very brutal knives/hacking. gallente is good at hiding. then the caldari... good at seeing everything as well as managing to hide. Actually the Minmatar has superior stamina/sprint/recovery to the Amarr. Due to the Minmatar's naturally higher speed and is less likely to fit plates they can out run the Amarr at both short and long distances. They also have 2x (60) stamina recovery of Caldari/Gallente (30) and 50% more than the Amarr (40). Even when you add in the Amarr bonus (+25%) as long as they fit any kind of plates (except maybe ferroscale) they will be slower than a Minmatar, and even if you made their bonus 100% they would still be slower than Minmatar scouts if the Amarr scout wears basic plates.
Jathniel G I A N T General Tso's Alliance 1065	Posted - 2014.07.02 13:09:00 - [9] - Quote scrambler weapons. any of them. they wreck cal scouts. it's annoying actually. just tiny charge up shots from a scrambler rifle kills them. .. not even fully charged shots, just whirr pew whirr pew dead. Set your goals high, and shoot for the moon; even if you miss you'll land amongst the stars.
Harpyja Legio DXIV 1982	Posted - 2014.07.02 13:16:00 - [10] - Quote I just spray and pray. Works only less than 10% of the time My 681 EHP on my Amarr assault gone while I can't even hit them for more than a few shots. A combination of what feels like a smaller hitbox and the ridiculous strafing mechanics that allows them to zip left and right and bunny hop, which makes my chances of hitting them extremely small while they have an aim-lock on me somehow. "By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32 -- "Scouts should fart repeatedly while cloaked"- TechMechMeds

I-Shayz-I I----------I 3858	Posted - 2014.07.02 13:20:00 - [11] - Quote Switches to scrambler rifle Kills Caldari Scout Caldari Scout switches to Amarr Sentinel Kills me Switches to a suit that can kill sentinel Sentinel switches back to caldari scout Kills me Repeat 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2848	Posted - 2014.07.02 13:22:00 - [12] - Quote Yay, another CalScout thread! I chuckle every time someone says, "ScRs melt me," or "Put a PR on and watch me die." While I do agree that these rifles do seem "more effective" than say CRs or RRs, the fact remains that CalScouts can still easily out maneuver these weapons. I don't know if they have tiny ass hitboxes or if there is something wrong with their hit detection, but the numerous complaints by countless amounts of players all state something similar. One notable point is that players who use CalScouts will argue that nothing is wrong with the suit, and they will continue to believe so until an official statement by CCP is made. Personally, I have the suit maxed out alongside GalScouts, Amarr Sentinels, and an "in the works" MinAssault. Out of what's available to me, I always default back to the CalScout if I want to do any "slaying." Why? Because the darned suit is so effective at it. I can strafe around fire, scan almost everyone, and regen my shields on the go. I can go toe-to-toe against HMG fire and can run my ass off if I need to fall back from a bad situation. The suit is godly and the best counter to one is to be one. Slap on a Duvolle and go crazy.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 2063	Posted - 2014.07.02 13:34:00 - [13] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: so we all know how annoying and bullshit caldari scouts can be. the most commone setup I see. is a caldari scout with boundless combat rifle. stacked shields. and lows with dampners. compared to other scouts. I swear that the caldari scout has the smallest hitbox. would make sense if it were min minmatarr at least. when compared to the other scouts. amarrian has ridiculos stamina/sprint/recovery. minmatarr has very brutal knives/hacking. gallente is good at hiding. then the caldari... good at seeing everything as well as managing to hide. the only way I have even manged to kill a caladri scout without a tank.... is with my gk.o assault suit with creodron breach PR/ creo ion pistol. how do you deal with these pesky caldari scouts? Cal scouts do have the smallest hitbox :o( Minmatar the largest... it's why they are so easy to hit.. It's how they balanced speedy suits when everyone had to actually aim for them selves.. Specially moving around at 10m/s in a scout suit having to aim for your self there was no 80-90% accuracy doing that before.. Falling down a hill and hitting completely accuractely... That didnt happen in the DUST that everyone romanticize over.. It was a FPS that produced deaths that made sense.. maybe 50% accuracy at best doing those actions and you have to limit your movement patterns to get steady consistent aim accuracy. Flux a cal scout and spray .. they will just drop dead.. PLC's splash near one shots them. otherwise just take advantage of bullets completely stunning and stopping movement on scout suits and spray in their general direction.
Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5541	Posted - 2014.07.02 14:02:00 - [14] - Quote Plasma cannon. lol at their shields- this is the oversized, anti-shield mass driver that also OHKs sentinels. pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 4126	Posted - 2014.07.02 14:05:00 - [15] - Quote M1 Grenade 5... 4... 3... 2... 1... Boom. Done. And I even got the bastard behind him and their Nanohives. PSN: The_Rynoceros Destiny beta SoonGäó Console Master Race
Powerh8er The Rainbow Effect Dirt Nap Squad. 458	Posted - 2014.07.02 14:08:00 - [16] - Quote Caldari scouts: Strafing through your HMG bullet stream since hotfix beta. I call (them) shenanigans!
Izlare Lenix BATTLE SURVEY GROUP Dark Taboo 754	Posted - 2014.07.02 16:00:00 - [17] - Quote I use the Cal Scout with ScR, I murder all scouts equally. I use amarr commando with ScR, I murder all scouts equally. I use hmg heavy and murder all scouts equally. Quit your bitching and improve your aim. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3925	Posted - 2014.07.02 16:07:00 - [18] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Laser Rifles are surprisingly good against CalScouts. Also, ARs, ScRs and HMGs. The Shotgun should OHK these guys, but it tends to "miss" them regularly. By "miss" I mean hitting them center mass will often deal zero damage. Something is off with the CalScout. I have never seen anything more than anecdotal evidence supporting this claim. I have never had any more problems with hit detection against CalScouts than any other frame in the game. My ScR eats them faster than my CR, true, but my ScR eats pretty much everything except bricked armour-tankers faster than my CR. Certainly there are enough complaints to justify a looking over, but I would dearly like to see some video evidence of these so-called 'bugged CalScouts'. Incidentally, I'd wager your issues are due more to the hit detection issues caused by the combination of CQC, strafing and lag than anything untoward about the CalScout (though I'd be happy to be wrong!) CCP Rattati Best Dev AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5 CalLogi, you're next!
Mauren NOON The Exemplars Top Men. 334	Posted - 2014.07.02 16:24:00 - [19] - Quote Texs Red wrote: Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: so we all know how annoying and bullshit caldari scouts can be. the most commone setup I see. is a caldari scout with boundless combat rifle. stacked shields. and lows with dampners. compared to other scouts. I swear that the caldari scout has the smallest hitbox. would make sense if it were min minmatarr at least. when compared to the other scouts. amarrian has ridiculos stamina/sprint/recovery. minmatarr has very brutal knives/hacking. gallente is good at hiding. then the caldari... good at seeing everything as well as managing to hide. Actually the Minmatar has superior stamina/sprint/recovery to the Amarr. Due to the Minmatar's naturally higher speed and is less likely to fit plates they can out run the Amarr at both short and long distances. They also have 2x (60) stamina recovery of Caldari/Gallente (30) and 50% more than the Amarr (40). Even when you add in the Amarr bonus (+25%) as long as they fit any kind of plates (except maybe ferroscale) they will be slower than a Minmatar, and even if you made their bonus 100% they would still be slower than Minmatar scouts if the Amarr scout wears basic plates. That's where you are wrong. Yes minmatar is faster with better regen, but with me having amarr scout skill to 5, my amarr scout has more stamina than a min scout with an enhanced cardiac reg...(the more you know) Scr and commando enthusiast. A commando is not just a suit, but a way of life... "The only thing to fear is fear itself"
Morathi III Policeman of the Federation 133	Posted - 2014.07.02 16:34:00 - [20] - Quote My Carthum ScP!

Boot Booter Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 637	Posted - 2014.07.02 16:46:00 - [21] - Quote I find the cal scout in CQC to be fine but for some reason when they have distance (30m) they are much tougher to hit. They are also a hard counter to my min assault (hard to hit and run when the whole team can see you trying to flank) so maybe I'm a little biased. My main strategy for them is to spray my SMG at them and pray. Shotty works pretty well too. SMG Specialist
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 695	Posted - 2014.07.02 16:47:00 - [22] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: so we all know how annoying and bullshit caldari scouts can be. the most commone setup I see. is a caldari scout with boundless combat rifle. stacked shields. and lows with dampners. compared to other scouts. I swear that the caldari scout has the smallest hitbox. would make sense if it were min minmatarr at least. when compared to the other scouts. amarrian has ridiculos stamina/sprint/recovery. minmatarr has very brutal knives/hacking. gallente is good at hiding. then the caldari... good at seeing everything as well as managing to hide. the only way I have even manged to kill a caladri scout without a tank.... is with my gk.o assault suit with creodron breach PR/ creo ion pistol. how do you deal with these pesky caldari scouts? Cal scouts do have the smallest hitbox :o( Minmatar the largest... it's why they are so easy to hit.. It's how they balanced speedy suits when everyone had to actually aim for them selves.. Specially moving around at 10m/s in a scout suit having to aim for your self there was no 80-90% accuracy doing that before.. Falling down a hill and hitting completely accuractely... That didnt happen in the DUST that everyone romanticize over.. It was a FPS that produced deaths that made sense.. maybe 50% accuracy at best doing those actions and you have to limit your movement patterns to get steady consistent aim accuracy. Flux a cal scout and spray .. they will just drop dead.. PLC's splash near one shots them. otherwise just take advantage of bullets completely stunning and stopping movement on scout suits and spray in their general direction. That explains a lot...perhaps we should petition rattati to shrink the minmitar hit boxes a tiny bit, and increase caldari hit box size? "Goddamn it! I have to take out my plasma cannon to kill him cause I can't kill him with my flay lock!" -Buzz Kill
Vapor Forseti Nyain Chan General Tso's Alliance 674	Posted - 2014.07.02 16:51:00 - [23] - Quote I'm a Cal scout myself, so I never had a problem with other cloaked Cal scouts. Use complex dampeners, pick them up in my passives, flank, +50. pâ¬péñpâòpâ½pü«tÄïpü½pü¬péïpÇé --pâ¬pâùpâ¬pâ+pâ¬péñpâ¬pâ+ `NyainChan Forever`
m621 zma Seraphim Initiative.. 163	Posted - 2014.07.02 18:06:00 - [24] - Quote I generally just shoot them with whatever gun i have equipped - usually does the job (I just killed one whilst logi'ing last game with a militia combat rifle) Really don't see a problem with them.


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