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Meisterjager Jagermeister Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 260	Posted - 2014.07.02 04:01:00 - [1] - Quote They claim bullet snare has been removed from game but many people claim it still exists. I think I've got it figured out: it is KNOCKBACK. When you get hit by a shot, the force pushes you away from the shooter, causing you to move in a direction you aren't expecting which may feel like you are being snared. I noticed it today when I jumped to escape incoming fire. Instead of moving in a straight line, I was slammed into the wall to my left while I was in mid air. On another occasion, I hit a red with GEK and when he died he went flying through the air away from me. And then I realized I've been seeing a lot more mini ragdolls from rifle kills lately. So, am I on to something? AKA - StarVenger
Forever ETC Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 645	Posted - 2014.07.02 04:03:00 - [2] - Quote Probably, when you hit someone with a shotgun you can notice it. Don't you shiver PS News VIZZZIAM
Meisterjager Jagermeister Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 260	Posted - 2014.07.02 04:04:00 - [3] - Quote It was at range. AKA - StarVenger
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3914	Posted - 2014.07.02 05:48:00 - [4] - Quote I've heard a guy talking about knockback. You might be onto something. CCP Rattati Best Dev AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5 CalLogi, you're next!
Haerr Legio DXIV 889	Posted - 2014.07.02 08:05:00 - [5] - Quote Every once in a while (match) I get the feeling that CCP was just trolling us when they said that they had set all slow down on hit values to 0 on all weapons. Or that they decided to ninja it back into the game because of reasons. Am I the only one who feels this way?
Ryme Intrinseca The Rainbow Effect Dirt Nap Squad. 1405	Posted - 2014.07.02 13:04:00 - [6] - Quote Meisterjager Jagermeister wrote: They claim bullet snare has been removed from game but many people claim it still exists. I think I've got it figured out: it is KNOCKBACK. When you get hit by a shot, the force pushes you away from the shooter, causing you to move in a direction you aren't expecting which may feel like you are being snared. I noticed it today when I jumped to escape incoming fire. Instead of moving in a straight line, I was slammed into the wall to my left while I was in mid air. On another occasion, I hit a red with GEK and when he died he went flying through the air away from me. And then I realized I've been seeing a lot more mini ragdolls from rifle kills lately. So, am I on to something? Someone really flew with ragdoll from my ACR the other day, like it was a core locus kill. I haven't seen that before but I doubt they have changed anything in that respect, it's probably just a fluke. In any case, the calculations for what happens when you're alive and what happens when you're dead will be calculated entirely separately. So how people ragdoll doesn't tell you anything about how bullets affect live mercs.
Harpyja Legio DXIV 1982	Posted - 2014.07.02 13:10:00 - [7] - Quote Haerr wrote: Every once in a while (match) I get the feeling that CCP was just trolling us when they said that they had set all slow down on hit values to 0 on all weapons. Or that they decided to ninja it back into the game because of reasons. Am I the only one who feels this way? I feel the same way. Yesterday I was slowed down by an SMG for the first time. It was also the first time I came across the M209 Assault SMG. I use that thing a lot... do I slow people down like that without me even knowing? HMGs definitely slow me down. @OP: I'm not sure if it's knock back, because even if I'm running away from an HMG, I'm still slowed down. "By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32 -- "Scouts should fart repeatedly while cloaked"- TechMechMeds
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 2062	Posted - 2014.07.02 13:12:00 - [8] - Quote quick sand and bullets slowing you down is not good for my blood pressure. I have never yelled at my screen so much as i have playing DUST. Having another player own you? Sure dust it off get back up and get better. Having core game mechanics continue to cost you deaths, from even walking up a hill and getting stuck and killed. This game is rage inducing and the bullet stunning makes me question why I even turned on my playstation 3 to log onto DUST.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 2327	Posted - 2014.07.02 13:19:00 - [9] - Quote Haerr wrote: Every once in a while (match) I get the feeling that CCP was just trolling us when they said that they had set all slow down on hit values to 0 on all weapons. Or that they decided to ninja it back into the game because of reasons. Am I the only one who feels this way? Seems that way sometimes. But I don't think that's Rattati's style. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Haerr Legio DXIV 894	Posted - 2014.07.02 13:29:00 - [10] - Quote Bethhy wrote: quick sand and bullets slowing you down is not good for my blood pressure. I have never yelled at my screen so much as i have playing DUST. Having another player own you? Sure dust it off get back up and get better. Having core game mechanics continue to cost you deaths, from even walking up a hill and getting stuck and killed. This game is rage inducing and the bullet stunning makes me question why I even turned on my playstation 3 to log onto DUST. Strafing into a bump in the terrain and aiming going into falling/jump mode makes me see all shades of red. There not being a fix to the sprint bugs even though they've been adamantly reported for months is sad. There is little else to be said about it. CCP if you can't fix it just let us do sprint-cancel again, at least until you guys have sorted out what ever needs to be sorted in order to allow us to sprint after having ADS, dropped EQ, etc, etc ,etc...

Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 695	Posted - 2014.07.02 16:56:00 - [11] - Quote ScR modded controller can push my min scout BACKWARDS when i jump....literally, ill be going forwards and then the shots will start, and i die going backwards... "Goddamn it! I have to take out my plasma cannon to kill him cause I can't kill him with my flay lock!" -Buzz Kill
CRNWLLC Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 338	Posted - 2014.07.02 17:48:00 - [12] - Quote Bethhy wrote: quick sand and bullets slowing you down is not good for my blood pressure. I have never yelled at my screen so much as i have playing DUST. Having another player own you? Sure dust it off get back up and get better. Having core game mechanics continue to cost you deaths, from even walking up a hill and getting stuck and killed. This game is rage inducing and the bullet stunning makes me question why I even turned on my playstation 3 to log onto DUST. Bethhy, where have you been these past months? Feel like we're birds of a feather, and this the first I've seen any of your posts! Anyway, I noticed a week or two ago (maybe +/- Hotfix Bravo deployment?) that HMG fire makes it feel like I was running underwater. Something's going on because it's damn near impossible to outstrafe a fatsuit's HMG fire within 20m.
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 462	Posted - 2014.07.02 18:11:00 - [13] - Quote Haerr wrote: Every once in a while (match) I get the feeling that CCP was just trolling us when they said that they had set all slow down on hit values to 0 on all weapons. Or that they decided to ninja it back into the game because of reasons. Am I the only one who feels this way? There's a 3rd possibility - it accidentally regressed. I too have noticed obvious inertia effects when being shot over the last few weeks I came back to DUST since beginning of May. Makes me think the same thing - "I thought they removed that". Bethhy wrote: quick sand and bullets slowing you down is not good for my blood pressure. I have never yelled at my screen so much as i have playing DUST. Having another player own you? Sure dust it off get back up and get better. Having core game mechanics continue to cost you deaths, from even walking up a hill and getting stuck and killed. This game is rage inducing and the bullet stunning makes me question why I even turned on my playstation 3 to log onto DUST. I've noticed a new thing happening that I've never experienced before. The CRU between echo and bravo on Border Gulch. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1261148#post1261148. The CRU is located above ground level, and the south and west corners of the raised structure it sits in have slopes you can run up. Several times now, I have gotten stuck on the little light thingy that sticks out near the top. I'll be steaming up it at 10 m/s and awww snap I get stuck, as if it trips me up. I've run up these things hundreds of times before pre- hotfix Alpha, but now I sometimes trip over on my way up them. So inertia / terrain mechanics etc do appear to have changed. I do also seem to be experiencing more glitching with hill terrain etc., esp. frustrating in a fire-fight - but TBH I may just be noticing something that's always been there with that stuff. You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 571	Posted - 2014.07.02 19:50:00 - [14] - Quote I love the sniper rifle knockback effect when I get a headshot. But yes, there definitely is knockback Quafe A question doesn't always have an answer, but a problem does, So what is DUST? A problem or a question?
Cenex Langly D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 768	Posted - 2014.07.02 19:55:00 - [15] - Quote I only notice it with the rail rifle to be honest. I feel like I'm slowed every single time from that basic rail rifle. I see more and more people using it too which is disconcerting. Newb
Tectonic Fusion 1836	Posted - 2014.07.02 21:47:00 - [16] - Quote Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: ScR modded controller can push my min scout BACKWARDS when i jump....literally, ill be going forwards and then the shots will start, and i die going backwards... I don't think you needed a modded controller for that...modded controller would make it overheat pretty fast also.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 15101	Posted - 2014.07.02 21:48:00 - [17] - Quote Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: ScR modded controller can push my min scout BACKWARDS when i jump....literally, ill be going forwards and then the shots will start, and i die going backwards... I'm pretty sure if you're hit by an SCR from a modded controller while in a minscout you won't be noticing knockback. You'll be dead. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Polka will never die.
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 698	Posted - 2014.07.02 22:06:00 - [18] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: ScR modded controller can push my min scout BACKWARDS when i jump....literally, ill be going forwards and then the shots will start, and i die going backwards... I'm pretty sure if you're hit by an SCR from a modded controller while in a minscout you won't be noticing knockback. You'll be dead. I notice the knock back after I'm dead...you know how your vision sometimes follows you? Well, in the .00000001 seconds i have before i die and the few seconds afterwards, i do notice being knocked back "Goddamn it! I have to take out my plasma cannon to kill him cause I can't kill him with my flay lock!" -Buzz Kill
Forlorn Destrier 2631	Posted - 2014.07.02 22:07:00 - [19] - Quote Meisterjager Jagermeister wrote: They claim bullet snare has been removed from game but many people claim it still exists. I think I've got it figured out: it is KNOCKBACK. When you get hit by a shot, the force pushes you away from the shooter, causing you to move in a direction you aren't expecting which may feel like you are being snared. I noticed it today when I jumped to escape incoming fire. Instead of moving in a straight line, I was slammed into the wall to my left while I was in mid air. On another occasion, I hit a red with GEK and when he died he went flying through the air away from me. And then I realized I've been seeing a lot more mini ragdolls from rifle kills lately. So, am I on to something? Ragdoll for deaths have been around for a while. If you are seeing this with deaths, that is different than if you survive as it is triggered by clone death. Did you survive when you were "pushed" into the wall, or were you dead? I am the Forgotten Warhorse, the Lord of Lightning
Meisterjager Jagermeister Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 267	Posted - 2014.07.03 01:41:00 - [20] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: Did you survive when you were "pushed" into the wall, or were you dead? Not for much longer, it was an hmg what got me, but yes, I was still kicking. AKA - StarVenger



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