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Hakyou Brutor
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Posted - 2014.07.01 04:36:00 -
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Fact: Heavies are meant to be close quarter combat monsters and outside of CQC they are to be ineffective.
So...
The question I ask is: "Why does the HMG have an effective range of 55 meters?"
Heavies are currently beast at assault (due to their weapon range and mobility), while they should only be beast at defense, as stated by the community time and time again.
So I propose the following:
Reducing the range of the HMG to say... 25 meters effective range.
Reducing the speed of heavies by 15% on all heavies with the exception of the Minmatar heavy.
I hope you can see where I'm coming from, I find it frustrating that a CQC weapon has only 15 meters less effective range than an Assault Rifle.
"I never pull out" ~Ace Boone, 2014.
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Hakyou Brutor
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Posted - 2014.07.01 04:42:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:I see no issue.
Projectiles have better range profiles than Blasters anyway.
You see no problem with a CQC weapon doing 600 DPS at 55 meters out?
A heavy should be like a fortress, keeps enemies off of points and strongholds but does not assault (push forward).
"I never pull out" ~Ace Boone, 2014.
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Hakyou Brutor
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Posted - 2014.07.01 04:51:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Burst Assault Rifle does a projected 594 to that range. On a Gallente Commando that as full
594+59.4= 653.4
That can be put on a Heavy Frame, reloaded much faster, and has a precision scope.
The problem with that is that the Burst AR only does that DPS when the gun is firing at it's full potential, and such a thing cannot be attained without a modded controller.
"I never pull out" ~Ace Boone, 2014.
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Hakyou Brutor
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Posted - 2014.07.01 04:53:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:If heavies are meant to be CQC then explain the forge gun and heavy snipers 
I'm sorry, I mean't HMG.
90% of the time I see a heavy he has an HMG so it's kinda burnt into my brain that: Heavy = HMG.
"I never pull out" ~Ace Boone, 2014.
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Hakyou Brutor
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Posted - 2014.07.01 04:56:00 -
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INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote:Its because you do not understand the diffrence between effective and optimal, the effective means very little. I think hmg may need a slight damage nerf, but the range is fine.
Effective means it's still effective.
I believe a gun does 70% of the damage of optimal, thus 600 DPS rather than the 800 it usually is.
"I never pull out" ~Ace Boone, 2014.
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Hakyou Brutor
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Posted - 2014.07.01 05:00:00 -
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INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote:Does not push forward? So how do they arrive at the point in question? Spawn in or bust,, I think the problem is your perception of what a hmg sentinel is supposed to do.
HMG heavies should be able to hold down a point, not assault a point and take it.
Stop taking what I say literally, obviously they could move to a point to defend it, it's not "spawn in or bust".
"I never pull out" ~Ace Boone, 2014.
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Hakyou Brutor
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Posted - 2014.07.01 05:09:00 -
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INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote:Again, now you are saying optimal. CCP defines these 2 things very diffrently. There is an optimal and an effective. When you get intl a weapons effective the damage is very low. You should argue based on the optimal, never on the effective, you dig?
No sir I don't 'dig'. You are not seeing what I am writing.
Effective damage is 70% of optimal damage.
So if my gun did 100 DPS in optimal range it would do 70 DPS in effective range. Understand?
"I never pull out" ~Ace Boone, 2014.
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Hakyou Brutor
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Posted - 2014.07.01 05:30:00 -
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OP FOTM wrote:You're just mad that you have no skill, and the heavies who also have no skill are beating you.
Woah there buddy, I'm not saying I can't kill heavies, cause believe me, I can.
I'm just saying they are too effective at assaulting a point, their objective should be to DEFEND.
"I never pull out" ~Ace Boone, 2014.
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Hakyou Brutor
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Posted - 2014.07.01 05:32:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Actually damage done at effective range is 30% of that done at optimal range. Source
Fair enough.
"I never pull out" ~Ace Boone, 2014.
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Hakyou Brutor
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Posted - 2014.07.01 05:36:00 -
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OP FOTM wrote:Hakyou Brutor wrote:I'm just saying they are too effective at assaulting a point, their objective should be to DEFEND. This is a sensitive topic to me because without a Logi we just get shredded to pieces like we're nothing... like having over 1000 HP means absolutely nothing... You guys just don't get what it feels like to BE a heavy.
lol? I run just about everything at a proto level.
I've got proto....
Heavy
Tanks
ADS'
Scout
Logi
I honestly think being a heavy is the easiest thing in the game, no offense to heavies, but really. You don't run out in the open like a scout or assault, no, you take cover hold back, let them come to you.
"I never pull out" ~Ace Boone, 2014.
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Hakyou Brutor
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Posted - 2014.07.01 05:39:00 -
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axINVICTUSxa wrote:Considering that you can shove 4 Kincats on a Proto heavy(although I know no one who would do that)...
I used to know a fella who put 3 speed mods on his Amarr heavy and went nova knifing, so rage inducing.
"I never pull out" ~Ace Boone, 2014.
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