DUST Search - How can I be a better Logi?

Rogatien Merc wrote:

TEBOW BAGGINS wrote:

probably already mentioned but something really important is
Dont be a WP hoar...

theres good logis and there's scrub logis the scrubs only care about trying to go top of the scoreboard and are frowned upon because thats all they care about- they will clone your team trying to do suicide revives that get the guy being revived killed multiple times.

they dont care if they die or their patient dies repeatedly, as long as they get their WP.

these logis are total scrubs and there are many of them.. dont be a WP hoar and be a logi that ppl actually want nearby. apologize if you get someone double killed- it happens.

as long as your ppl understand you didnt just hoar out for WP and made a mistake because it happens. but when there's that stupid logi hoarpointer nearby that everyone hates- he revives ppl without analyzing anything.

and then logi hoarpointer thinks he something special at the end of the match with 1Kill 27Death and he goes top score anyway, but everyone else had to suffer his ret4rdedness and your team looses due to being cloned.

Great point. And it brings up another which some will debate: Logis should try to be <1.0 kdr... just like everybody else. I know killing isn't everything, especially for dedicated logis, but if you have 0 interest in killing, you better be damn good at staying alive. If you are going 1-10 in a match... regardless of anything else you are doing, there is a very good chance your team would be better off without you on it.


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lee corwood Knights Of Ender 860	Posted - 2014.06.30 16:11:00 - [1] - Quote I'm not an expert logi. There are many better logis out there but this has been my experience over the past year+. Your Specific Scenario For your example, if a heavy is turning the corner and you're getting immediately gunned down one of two things is happening: - you're turning the corner with your heavy but you're just standing there. When I turn any corner, I'm jumping around like a caffeinated flea. I do large side to side jumps, little shuffles, figure eights, basically just never standing still. I'm constantly checking both my health as well as the health of my heavy. If they get down to half armor, I'm yelling at them to back up. - you're turning the corner and the heavy pulled you into a firefight of just you two against multiple. If that's the case, the error lies with the heavy. In certain situations with a good heavy, that might work out. However, I only stick around for that with a heavy I trust. Random pub matches I've attached to heavies that thought the fat suit + HMG + me = invincibility. Which just isn't the case. TIPS If you're in a CQC instance when the heavy is constantly peeking back and forth around the corner, just stay put. He knows where you are. Just be helpful and call out when his health is dangerously low. When I play in very tight spaces where you could be flanked, like Impact Ridge Alpha where the supply depot is underground, I'll put on my rep tool but then look around to see if any red berry is trying to flank us. The 'sound' of the disconnect of the rep tool is enough to draw back my attention if my healee gets out of range. Always call out grenades. When I'm repping, my eyes are everywhere. Nothing worse focusing all your attention on their health bar and neither of you noticing a grenade that rolled under his feet. If you're actively repping someone, tell them when you have to stop to perform anything else, like putting down ammo. This keeps them from being overly brave thinking you've got them when they're now effectively 'on their own' and should use cover much more generously. As for knowing when to pull out your gun, this is sadly just going to take lots of experience. I've seen 1v1 happen with my traveling heavy and it was better for me to stop healing and start shooting so I could revive him after the threat was down. For running in general squads. I hoard my ammo until its called for. I don't get nearly as much points from nanohives as I do from uplinks/reps. Being constantly on the move will make you regret having laid down both of yours at an objective no one is at anymore. EQ to love I can't recommend the BDR-8 enough. It's reach is fantastic. When you're running in a really great working group, spring for the Six Kin. Those two streams will immediately make you your own orbital. Complex Armor Repairer. You need one. Never, ever carry a needle without a rep tool. If you do, you're not support, you're a liability. And overall, I can't say how much comms have made me better at my role. It's not possible or even desired by everyone, but once I started actively participating with my team, you will be surprised not only how much better you'll do but how much more your team will actively call on you for support and leverage you as part of the team. By being on comms and finding a fantastic corp, it completely shaped the way I spent my SP because I was uniquely aware of what my team needed from me most to be more effective. Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Ping for video services.
lee corwood Knights Of Ender RISE of LEGION 873	Posted - 2014.07.05 23:32:00 - [2] - Quote Rogatien Merc wrote: TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: probably already mentioned but something really important is Dont be a WP hoar... theres good logis and there's scrub logis the scrubs only care about trying to go top of the scoreboard and are frowned upon because thats all they care about- they will clone your team trying to do suicide revives that get the guy being revived killed multiple times. they dont care if they die or their patient dies repeatedly, as long as they get their WP. these logis are total scrubs and there are many of them.. dont be a WP hoar and be a logi that ppl actually want nearby. apologize if you get someone double killed- it happens. as long as your ppl understand you didnt just hoar out for WP and made a mistake because it happens. but when there's that stupid logi hoarpointer nearby that everyone hates- he revives ppl without analyzing anything. and then logi hoarpointer thinks he something special at the end of the match with 1Kill 27Death and he goes top score anyway, but everyone else had to suffer his ret4rdedness and your team looses due to being cloned. Great point. And it brings up another which some will debate: Logis should try to be <1.0 kdr... just like everybody else. I know killing isn't everything, especially for dedicated logis, but if you have 0 interest in killing, you better be damn good at staying alive. If you are going 1-10 in a match... regardless of anything else you are doing, there is a very good chance your team would be better off without you on it. Yes and no. I don't necessarily believe it needs to be 1.0 or higher. I do absolutely believe there is a threshold where you just know you're wasting your teams clones, but promoting a hard number causes a lot of newberries who might be interested in logi-ing into constantly checking their KDR as an important stat. In general you know when you did good and bad. Don't be a wp ***** and don't cost your team the battle. If you perform badly in a match, either think of changing your tactics or your fitting until you see some improvement. Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Ping for video services.
lee corwood Knights Of Ender RISE of LEGION 875	Posted - 2014.07.07 16:29:00 - [3] - Quote Zindorak wrote: I need some help. I run Ammar Logi and im wondering Nanite injector or drop uplink. I know i must use rep tool. And im STD logi Why not both? Just make two different fittings. First start with uplinks. As an amarr logi, this is your time to shine. While in your Amarr Logi you get a bonus to uplink spawn time so long as you wear the Amarr Logi suit. Even if in the future you get all the way to proto Amarr Logi, you're standard logi will benefit from the maximum spawn bonus. I would recommend starting the match (get R-9 droplinks as fast as possible) and put them down in strategic areas. John Demonsbane has written some great stuff on uplink placement, you should definitely read up on that. If you don't take away anything else: Never place an uplink facing a corner or wall! After you set down your uplinks, continue the match as normal. If you die, then come in with the suit with an injector. I promise you that if you're in that suit, people are going to want your links first if they're placed in safe/advantages areas and even if some asshat comes along and puts links down right next to yours, they'll still use yours. We want that short spawn time. Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Ping for video services.
lee corwood Knights Of Ender RISE of LEGION 875	Posted - 2014.07.07 16:37:00 - [4] - Quote xTheSiLLyRaBBiTx wrote: 2.) Never use anything less than a proto rep tool. Two beams are better than one and when you combine that most crucial factor with the Min Logi, its truly devastation for your enemy when your behind a beast of a heavy. Disagree with this point. Some reptools have farther reach than proto tools. The BDR-8 has double the reach of a core focused and like you said, Logi's are the most important person on the field and sometimes that doesn't seem to matter to my blueberries at all. If they're going to abandon me at every moment to pad their KDR, my 20-35k piece of EQ is staying in the box. Two streams is king in CQC and generally more useful than one stream but is also dependent on your squad. If you're in a squad made up of almost all scouts, you're not likely to make use of that six kin/lai dai at all. Two heavies? Then suddenly you are your own orbital. Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Ping for video services.