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Tectonic Fusion 1793	Posted - 2014.06.28 19:53:00 - [1] - Quote I just figured it out see here: ryd/bood Okay, get level 3 in "Assault Rifle Operation", then get some other AR skills to level 3. After that, get into battle and start shooting. Aim towards the torso to avoid missing, and the results are instant. If they are annoying you a lot, then skill into the Scrambler Rifle.
Cheydinhal Guard Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 107	Posted - 2014.06.28 19:54:00 - [2] - Quote Lol at people saying the CalScout has broken hit detection. People will say anything to get something nerfed. You filthy amarr, with your golden guns and your sparkling merc quarters....Curse you.
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 4063	Posted - 2014.06.28 20:01:00 - [3] - Quote I wonder if in CCP's "CaldariMasterRace" plans, they neglected to put a Head Hitbox in place? I wouldn't be too terribly surprised. PSN: The_Rynoceros Destiny beta SoonGäó Console Master Race
jerrmy12 kahoalii New Age Empire. 1578	Posted - 2014.06.28 20:02:00 - [4] - Quote Cheydinhal Guard wrote: Lol at people saying the CalScout has broken hit detection. People will say anything to get something nerfed. Especially the butthurt lyn beck. Closed beta vet. If bo burnham was on my little pony: friendship is magic
Skullmiser Vulcansu 126	Posted - 2014.07.04 18:35:00 - [5] - Quote I just used a scrambler rifle against a Caldari scout, and I saw bullets hitting the scout, but the scout did not take any damage. The scout wasn't even moving. I am irritated. If this game was fun, I wouldn't be playing it.
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood 3473	Posted - 2014.07.04 18:40:00 - [6] - Quote Yeah, sorry but it can't be that my prof 4 duvolle doesn't rip apart a Caldari scout but eats through any others. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
gauntlet44 LbowDeep Heaven84 Devils General Tso's Alliance 72	Posted - 2014.07.04 18:43:00 - [7] - Quote Skullmiser Vulcansu wrote: I just used a scrambler rifle against a Caldari scout, and I saw bullets hitting the scout, but the scout did not take any damage. The scout wasn't even moving. I am irritated. i have seen this as well, i bring their shield down and their armor halfway and they stop losing armor scrambler bullets stop working. but the tac ar has no trouble taking all the armor Absorb what is useful, discard what is not, make it uniquely your own........ Bruce Lee
Lynn Beck Fooly Cooly. Anime Empire. 1997	Posted - 2014.07.04 18:46:00 - [8] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Cheydinhal Guard wrote: Lol at people saying the CalScout has broken hit detection. People will say anything to get something nerfed. Especially the butthurt lyn beck. Oh look. I have a hater. It's no secret that i am a caldari hater, but its more based on the fact the Caldari have better everything- shield cieling, shield recharge, delays, low slots. The Caldari Scout on the other hand, i feel would be balanced. If it didnmt take 5x more bulets to drop. I can regularly dance in front of HMG fire, sometimes even using Std Knives and kill a heavy, all while wearing my Basic Cal light. Meanwhilr my Minja, can sprint past a heavy, jump over a railing, and die before i even hit the X button. My Min Sentinel is simply a very, VERY bad Cal sent, but with a laughable 60 armor traded for like 100 shields. Calscouts can tank Thale's Shots, even whilr having under 200 shields. And yes, i keep track of their HP's. Thale's sniper rifle: 349-ish damage. Caldari Scout- 249 shield, 87 armor. Body shot Damage i should do: 349 x .9(shield resist) 315 249 - 315 = 0 shield, 66 damage left over, brought back to 72 for purposes of next step: 87 armor, 72 base damage leftover, x1.1 = 79 Damage that SHOULD be inflicted: all but 8 armor. He still had 100 shields left over, and took 3 body shots to drop. How is THAT being butthurt? He is quite obviously not taking all the damage he shoul, and is thus able to tank 450 shield and just infinitank my Boundless HMG ona. dbl dmg modded Min Sent. Or **, rven a ***** thale's. "How cute, you think you know i'm wrong" General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation
Boot Booter Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 640	Posted - 2014.07.04 19:07:00 - [9] - Quote Im sorry but I have to agree there is something funky about the cal scout. I can crush them when I'm hip firing but at range they seem damn near impossible to kill. I've even seen bullets hit them and they take zero damage. Could chalk that up to lag but it doesn't seem to be an issue with other scouts. Doesn't it seem odd that so many people have reported similar issues with cal scout hit detection? Who knows though, maybe it's just their ability to tank to crazy eHP while still being super fast AND having the best regen in the game AND being able to see everyone on the map AND being able to share that with the rest of their squad. Whatever it is, that **** is OP. I am also a pure minmatar player like Lynn so it has been tiring seeing Caldari always so much better. That being said, it's really only the min scout that is behind Caldari currently. Other classes seem fine to me and I'd dare to say the min assault is better than the Caldari. SMG Specialist
Lynn Beck Fooly Cooly. Anime Empire. 1999	Posted - 2014.07.04 19:38:00 - [10] - Quote Lol, yeah i'm coming to like my Minassault even more. Against scouts i can reliably spray my CR, without running out of clip, meanwhile my commando had to reload. Against Heavies i can reliably hipfire an entire clip down that hallway, as the extra ammo i have means i can actually hope to kill someone. General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation

Tectonic Fusion 1847	Posted - 2014.07.04 19:51:00 - [11] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: Im sorry but I have to agree there is something funky about the cal scout. I can crush them when I'm hip firing but at range they seem damn near impossible to kill. I've even seen bullets hit them and they take zero damage. Could chalk that up to lag but it doesn't seem to be an issue with other scouts. Doesn't it seem odd that so many people have reported similar issues with cal scout hit detection? Who knows though, maybe it's just their ability to tank to crazy eHP while still being super fast AND having the best regen in the game AND being able to see everyone on the map AND being able to share that with the rest of their squad. Whatever it is, that **** is OP. I am also a pure minmatar player like Lynn so it has been tiring seeing Caldari always so much better. That being said, it's really only the min scout that is behind Caldari currently. Other classes seem fine to me and I'd dare to say the min assault is better than the Caldari. The min assault is better for it's bonus and it's slot layout is the same. Use a scrambler rifle if you have problems with the cal scout...seriously. Or maybe the TAR if you're a noob.
Timtron Victory Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 72	Posted - 2014.07.04 19:59:00 - [12] - Quote This is the reason I stopped using Assault Scrambler Rifle. I fire an entire clip on a medium or light suit and for some reason nothing is happening, its like my bullets are bouncing right back at me haha Proud Christian Jesus Loves You
Lynn Beck Fooly Cooly. Anime Empire. 1999	Posted - 2014.07.04 20:00:00 - [13] - Quote My CR does just fine against Caldari Sentinels and Commandos. I don't see why i would need to pick up a phallic device JUST to pick off a (supposedly) weaker class. General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation
Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5562	Posted - 2014.07.04 21:47:00 - [14] - Quote I'm going to have to join the bandwagon that something is up with the caldari scout hit detection. No other scout consistently runs through explosions unharmed. pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè
Tectonic Fusion 1850	Posted - 2014.07.04 22:10:00 - [15] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I'm going to have to join the bandwagon that something is up with the caldari scout hit detection. No other scout consistently runs through explosions unharmed. I do. Shield's have a -20% damage reduction for explosions...I run through them all the time.
Mauren NOON The Exemplars Top Men. 340	Posted - 2014.07.04 22:31:00 - [16] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Cheydinhal Guard wrote: Lol at people saying the CalScout has broken hit detection. People will say anything to get something nerfed. Especially the butthurt lyn beck. LOL. A scammer is calling someone out on the forums. That's a first Scr and commando enthusiast. A commando is not just a suit, but a way of life... "The only thing to fear is fear itself"
Lynn Beck Fooly Cooly. Anime Empire. 2003	Posted - 2014.07.04 23:16:00 - [17] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I'm going to have to join the bandwagon that something is up with the caldari scout hit detection. No other scout consistently runs through explosions unharmed. I do. Shield's have a -20% damage reduction for explosions...I run through them all the time. Even a Core Locus or a Freedom MD+ MinCommando 5? General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation
Mejt0 Made in Poland... E-R-A 174	Posted - 2014.07.05 00:09:00 - [18] - Quote Hit detection problems? Funny. I die by few bullets in my cal, also i kill everyother cal scouts without any problems.. whats the deal haters?
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 10647	Posted - 2014.07.05 00:15:00 - [19] - Quote So you're saying me unloading a full clip from a prof IV Duvolle with a complex damage mod on a Gal Assault at 6m of range, at a Caldari scout with 1/4th armor left, and not being to take it down before I reload doesn't sound funky? Sights straight on target, shooting, and shooting, getting the armor hit sound effect, but no damage taken. Caldari scouts are screwy. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood 3475	Posted - 2014.07.05 00:26:00 - [20] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: So you're saying me unloading a full clip from a prof IV Duvolle with a complex damage mod on a Gal Assault at 6m of range, at a Caldari scout with 1/4th armor left, and not being to take it down before I reload doesn't sound funky? Sights straight on target, shooting, and shooting, getting the armor hit sound effect, but no damage taken. Caldari scouts are screwy. What's crazy is that shields don't melt away like they vs a Assault/Commando/Logi/Sentinel suit. Once I get through the shields, the suit falls over dead(even if they have a armour plate or 2) It happens on the STD, not so much on the ADV but the PRO...it ALWAYS happens on the Proto! I can get the drop, use my CreoDron SG or Duvolle AR(or either a Gal Scout or Assault) and I still can't kill those things! "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire

LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2876	Posted - 2014.07.05 00:42:00 - [21] - Quote Holy shit, another CalScout thread! Lol.
Sarcastic Dreamkiller Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 136	Posted - 2014.07.05 00:48:00 - [22] - Quote Skullmiser Vulcansu wrote: I just used a scrambler rifle against a Caldari scout, and I saw bullets hitting the scout, but the scout did not take any damage. The scout wasn't even moving. I am irritated. uhhhh......"hits not registering" has been happening for a long time, months before Caldari Scouts even came into existence.
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood 3475	Posted - 2014.07.05 02:47:00 - [23] - Quote LT SHANKS wrote: Holy shit, another CalScout thread! Lol. Tbf, it is a ProCaldari thread. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Tectonic Fusion 1852	Posted - 2014.07.05 02:47:00 - [24] - Quote Sarcastic Dreamkiller wrote: Skullmiser Vulcansu wrote: I just used a scrambler rifle against a Caldari scout, and I saw bullets hitting the scout, but the scout did not take any damage. The scout wasn't even moving. I am irritated. uhhhh......"hits not registering" has been happening for a long time, months before Caldari Scouts even came into existence. Exactly. Someone please just make a video of a caldari scout getting destroyed by a scrambler rifle, because it is literally an insta kill (or at least a kill-before-you-can-react type of kill).
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 1244	Posted - 2014.07.05 02:55:00 - [25] - Quote As much as I would like to say there is something wrong with the Caldari Scout`s hit detection - I actually just think that it is this games hit detection in general. For some reason this does seem pronounced with the Caldari scout however that could just be down to the Caldari scout's popularity. Someone recently had a video of recorded gameplay in DUST using a shotgun. At times he was missing by miles yet was still awarded hits and kills and then other times he would hit a Caldari scout directly head on yet no damage would be dealt at all. So I do think it is still just the games general hit detection. MY LIFE FOR AIUR! Protoss You gonna' give me orders? Terran "Cat got your tongue? Zerg Queen of Blades.
Izlare Lenix BATTLE SURVEY GROUP Dark Taboo 754	Posted - 2014.07.05 03:30:00 - [26] - Quote I have used Cal Scout since the first day they came out. I run with a ScR. I have zero problems killing other Cal scouts. And when I play against good players I die often enough, meaning they have zero problems killing me. Killing any scout requires good aim and the ability to hit a staffing target, which many players in this game can't go. I also want to point out I literally just got lvl 3 gal scout yesterday and my very first game with the adv gal scout with a CRW I went 45/3. So does the gal scout have broken hit detection as well like these cal haters are claiming or do most players in this game have **** aim? I think we all now the answer to that question. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Tectonic Fusion 1852	Posted - 2014.07.05 03:44:00 - [27] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: As much as I would like to say there is something wrong with the Caldari Scout`s hit detection - I actually just think that it is this games hit detection in general. For some reason this does seem pronounced with the Caldari scout however that could just be down to the Caldari scout's popularity. Someone recently had a video of recorded gameplay in DUST using a shotgun. At times he was missing by miles yet was still awarded hits and kills and then other times he would hit a Caldari scout directly head on yet no damage would be dealt at all. So I do think it is still just the games general hit detection. Some people forget that that the shotgun itself has the worse hit detection in the entire game. I have to shoot a little behind my opponent or in front to actually deal full damage.
Sarcastic Dreamkiller Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 137	Posted - 2014.07.05 04:00:00 - [28] - Quote The problem isn't Caldari Scouts, the problem is that every time a glitch or bug happens someone who hates -insert anything game related here- immediately gets tunnel vision and starts pointing the finger to try and get it nerfed. Blame the glitches and the players, not the suits
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 2386	Posted - 2014.07.05 04:38:00 - [29] - Quote Footage courtesy of IgniteableAura PS: For the record, I wouldn't be surprised if the Devs discovered a bug specific to CalScout. Arkena Wyrnspire's documented hitbox peculiarities specific to the GalSentinel. Bugs happen. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
TRULY ELITE WarRavens Final Resolution. 24	Posted - 2014.07.05 06:14:00 - [30] - Quote The strange thing is I kill a cal scout with a scrambler almost every game, however the scrambler is very unreliable, if you experience the slightest bit of lag I don't recommended using the ScR, you will have to literally fire 2 shots to get the damage of 1 shot. This includes the assault version as well. 1 thing that would make me laugh is that if CCP come out and say there's nothing wrong with cal scout hit detection which I believe is the case and people are just finding excuses to cover up the usual hit detection issues in Dust. I am a cal scout. But I am not FOTM chase because I don't have the SP to spec full proto into a dropsuit , I was a cal scout from the start of 1.8 when the gallene where the favoured.

Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5727	Posted - 2014.07.05 06:35:00 - [31] - Quote I wouldn't say that Cal Scout has broken HD, but there is definitely SOMETHING going on. As OP said, the only reliable method I've found of taking down Cal Scouts is the AR. All other weapons tend to blue shield A LOT, but only in certain scenarios. Rapid Strafing makes them blue shield far more often than normal suits. How I Imagine I look when running Minmatar Scout PSN: EVL_Elgost105
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 4032	Posted - 2014.07.05 09:37:00 - [32] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Sarcastic Dreamkiller wrote: Skullmiser Vulcansu wrote: I just used a scrambler rifle against a Caldari scout, and I saw bullets hitting the scout, but the scout did not take any damage. The scout wasn't even moving. I am irritated. uhhhh......"hits not registering" has been happening for a long time, months before Caldari Scouts even came into existence. Exactly. Someone please just make a video of a caldari scout getting destroyed by a scrambler rifle, because it is literally an insta kill (or at least a kill-before-you-can-react type of kill). I am pretty sure it's the unfortunate confluence of people's proficiency not functioning + large, quickly-regenerating buffer that doesn't slow you down, rapid strafe and small hitbox as part of being a scout and DUST's increasingly bad lag since 1.8. I have no problems killing CalScouts whether I'm using a ScR, AR, CR or HMG. CCP Rattati Best Dev AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5 CalLogi, you're next!
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 4032	Posted - 2014.07.05 09:41:00 - [33] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: For the record, several Scouts (myself included) are of the opinion that something's up with the CalScout. On a similar note, Arkena Wyrnspire recently documented hitbox peculiarities specific to the GalSentinel. Hit Detection is certainly unreliable, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Devs were to someday discover frame-specific hitbox bugs. Footage courtesy of IgniteableAura If that's the video Gavrilo Princip posted, it doesn't show anything particularly damning about anything except SGs. It seemed like the greatest hit detection issues there were actually against Sentinels. CCP Rattati Best Dev AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5 CalLogi, you're next!
Grimmiers 613	Posted - 2014.07.05 11:51:00 - [34] - Quote Skullmiser Vulcansu wrote: I just used a scrambler rifle against a Caldari scout, and I saw bullets hitting the scout, but the scout did not take any damage. The scout wasn't even moving. I am irritated. I just want to point out that the bullets coming out of your gun are a lie. The only thing you can trust is a hitmarker. Just try shooting an hmg at a stationary target halfway in the reticle circle. You'll see the bullets filling the circle and even hitting the target with the sound and shieldflares, but there won't be a hitmarker until it's close to the center. I don't know about netcode and performance issues with using actual bullets, but if you have the first steps of having a target get hit by bullets and not have damage applied to it then the hit detection will feel bad right off the bat. Right now it just feels like someone is rolling a die when you shoot. Ccp should, at least for project legion, get rid of hitscan for most weapons and have the individual bullets do the damage.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 2390	Posted - 2014.07.05 13:43:00 - [35] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: I wouldn't say that Cal Scout has broken HD, but there is definitely SOMETHING going on. As OP said, the only reliable method I've found of taking down Cal Scouts is the AR. All other weapons tend to blue shield A LOT, but only in certain scenarios. Rapid Strafing makes them blue shield far more often than normal suits. ^ Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 4067	Posted - 2014.07.07 00:08:00 - [36] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: If that's the video Gavrilo Princip posted, it doesn't show anything particularly damning about anything except SGs. Absolutely correct. I linked to the shotgun video here to dismiss the "there is no problem ever, you guys just can't aim" folks. In my estimation, hit-detection problems exist with both items No, what I'm saying is their hit detection is in no way worse than any other suit. At 2:20 a CalScout blue-shields and kills IA. Immediately after a MinLogi blue shields also. There's a heavy or two that does it also. I really don't think that video proves anything about CalScouts (and TBH the SG has the same problems as the rest of the game; it's just more obvious with the high-damage low-RoF CQC. Burst HMG seems to behave similarly) CCP Rattati ily! AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5 CalLogi, you're next!


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