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Mike De Luca
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.06.27 18:53:00 -
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LAVALLOIS Nash wrote:You know what happens when a Sniper leaves the redline? Some rabid scout rushes up behind them.
Or drive-by heavies
what i think of when charging fg
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Dirty Harry 69
Einheit 69
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Posted - 2014.06.27 19:01:00 -
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I counter sniped many red line snipers, no problem
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LAVALLOIS Nash
QcGOLD
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Posted - 2014.06.27 19:14:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:
And that's thier fault for sniping as a heavy and not moving.
What does being a heavy have to do with anything? The SR is not at all made for close engagements. If a sniper leaves the redline, someone will hunt him down, usually from behind, and the only defense he has is a sidearm.
He could get killed while sniping, he could get killed while positioning, he could get killed while moving to another spot. But if hes in his redline, he doesn't have to worry about some errant noob looking for an easy kill. All he has to worry about is counter snipers and vantage.
Its not a difficult concept to understand at all. |
Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
10501
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Posted - 2014.06.27 19:17:00 -
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Atiim wrote:@Cat Merc
That's not entirely true, as at any point in time a Sniper can be killed by those weapons as well (unless they're in the redline, which is an issue of Redline Mechanics, not the Sniper Rifle).
Well, that's ONE weapon, compared to every single weapon in DUST.
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Atiim
NoGameNoLife
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Posted - 2014.06.27 19:18:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Atiim wrote:@Cat Merc
That's not entirely true, as at any point in time a Sniper can be killed by those weapons as well (unless they're in the redline, which is an issue of Redline Mechanics, not the Sniper Rifle).
Well, that's ONE weapon, compared to every single weapon in DUST.
A Sniper can be killed by every single weapon besides a Swarm Launcher (and theoretically a Flaylock Pistol), so your point is moot.
NoLifing DUST for the Officer Swarm Launcher.
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Yeeeuuuupppp
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Posted - 2014.06.27 19:20:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:Yeeeuuuupppp wrote:I'll make sure to snipe you. And when you come for me, avoid your fire until you eventually commit suicide. And then actually pull out my smg next time you come for me :) Good luck avoiding my HMG to your face. I've got more than 10 seconds to kill you and with the OP hmg I only need one second, with lots of time to kill your clone. Bring your thales.
I lost my last one to a gunny particle cannon. I'll bring my ishy.
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
New Age Empire.
1572
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Posted - 2014.06.27 19:26:00 -
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LAVALLOIS Nash wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:
And that's thier fault for sniping as a heavy and not moving.
What does being a heavy have to do with anything? The SR is not at all made for close engagements. If a sniper leaves the redline, someone will hunt him down, usually from behind, and the only defense he has is a sidearm. He could get killed while sniping, he could get killed while positioning, he could get killed while moving to another spot. But if hes in his redline, he doesn't have to worry about some errant noob looking for an easy kill. All he has to worry about is counter snipers and vantage. Its not a difficult concept to understand at all.
Oh please, whoever can't move or use a scout to snipe deserves to be killed, you expect to sit in 1 spot for the whole match? I mean I sniped in ambush and didn't die once.
Closed beta vet.
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vlad stoich
EnvyUs.
161
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Posted - 2014.06.27 19:56:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Atiim wrote:Perhaps you shouldn't be traveling into an open field?
I don't see people complaining abut Shotguns when they get killed by one in a compound. Well i do, but their complaint doesn't hold merit. Travelling into an open field? I was in a match with him earlier (Fractured Road Domination - I know this cos he wrecked me in his Commando) and we had a Thale sniper taking potshots on the point (on my team, not his). You then have two options: one, go out into the open (i.e. contribute) and get two-shotted (or less) or option two, (and this would probably have been my choice had I been on the other team) AFK. Yes, that was my first match this morning. That thales killed my commando twice because I was defending the letter and in the open. After the second death I had to call in an incubis, fly up to the red mcc and kill that mofo. I almost died to redline timer because I was enjoying watching his corpse rag doll off the mcc. I'm pretty sure he was back on the mcc within a few minutes, but by then I switched to scout and didn't get snipped again.
If I get killed by a Thales I put out a bounty to the other Squad mates of 1 million isk per kill. I will relay name, distance away, suit type, approx distance or location ( we all know its the redline cuz their b!tches) OR MCC. I wait for the kill feed to reflect the puss!es death then pay that man his money. |
vlad stoich
EnvyUs.
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Posted - 2014.06.27 20:03:00 -
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LAVALLOIS Nash wrote:You know what happens when a Sniper leaves the redline? Some rabid scout rushes up behind them.
If you think it is impossible for a sniper to leave the redline and be successful you are mistaken
Check this video. It is a little old and little long, but this is one of the BEST snipers I have ever seen in DUST.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbEEkvwZYbY
This guy runs with his squad in the open on each objective using his sniper rifle and he is amazing at it. |
Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
10505
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Posted - 2014.06.27 21:40:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Atiim wrote:@Cat Merc
That's not entirely true, as at any point in time a Sniper can be killed by those weapons as well (unless they're in the redline, which is an issue of Redline Mechanics, not the Sniper Rifle).
Well, that's ONE weapon, compared to every single weapon in DUST. A Sniper can be killed by every single weapon besides a Swarm Launcher (and theoretically a Flaylock Pistol), so your point is moot.
Hidden and tucked behind the redline?
Get real, their risk is FAR lower than any other combat unit and you know it.
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Legio DXIV
3868
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Posted - 2014.06.28 00:24:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Atiim wrote:@Cat Merc
That's not entirely true, as at any point in time a Sniper can be killed by those weapons as well (unless they're in the redline, which is an issue of Redline Mechanics, not the Sniper Rifle).
Well, that's ONE weapon, compared to every single weapon in DUST. A Sniper can be killed by every single weapon besides a Swarm Launcher (and theoretically a Flaylock Pistol), so your point is moot.
I once got killed by a Thale's sniper from 596m. I was in a cheap suit (i.e. free) so it was an OHKO.
I was in the centre of the map.
Please tell me how I'm supposed to fight him? I can't find him on a vehicle scanner because he's dampened, I can't move fast enough with a wide enough scan radius to find him on foot, I haven't invested enough SP in SRs to beat a redline Thale's Sniper who's probably in a bricked GalScout or something.
I can't even rail him thanks to the range nerf, even if I could find him. Makes killing the fatsuit ones a chore too.
This is a disturbingly similar argument to the one you railed against for so long from tankers.
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Onesimus Tarsus
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
2179
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Posted - 2014.06.28 00:27:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Supernus Gigas wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:But... But... Did they OHKO you?
If they didn't OHKO you then snipers are clearly underpowered and you should QQ more.
If they did, regardless of how much your suit cost and regardless of how zero risk those snipers were, then that's perfect balance!
Snipers should be OHKO I mean, it's a sniper! So 1hking a 200k suit with 0 chance to react isn't op, riiiight. ohmygodyou'redense Oh come on now, give him a break. We all know Jeremy can't understand complex concepts; like sarcasm or tying shoes. Oh please, we all know you can't undertsand complex concepts but I can. Snipers have the lowest risk and should get the lowest reward Unless you want to make snipers get somewhat into combat...
You can.
K/D(r) WP/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period.
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Mike De Luca
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
130
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Posted - 2014.06.28 01:00:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Atiim wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Atiim wrote:@Cat Merc
That's not entirely true, as at any point in time a Sniper can be killed by those weapons as well (unless they're in the redline, which is an issue of Redline Mechanics, not the Sniper Rifle).
Well, that's ONE weapon, compared to every single weapon in DUST. A Sniper can be killed by every single weapon besides a Swarm Launcher (and theoretically a Flaylock Pistol), so your point is moot. I once got killed by a Thale's sniper from 596m. I was in a cheap suit (i.e. free) so it was an OHKO. I was in the centre of the map. Please tell me how I'm supposed to fight him? I can't find him on a vehicle scanner because he's dampened, I can't move fast enough with a wide enough scan radius to find him on foot, I haven't invested enough SP in SRs to beat a redline Thale's Sniper who's probably in a bricked GalScout or something. I can't even rail him thanks to the range nerf, even if I could find him. Makes killing the fatsuit ones a chore too. This is a disturbingly similar argument to the one you railed against for so long from tankers.
Actually, it's most likely a damage modded up calmando or brick cal sentinel
what i think of when charging fg
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Atiim
EnvyUs.
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Posted - 2014.06.28 01:24:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Atiim wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Atiim wrote:@Cat Merc
That's not entirely true, as at any point in time a Sniper can be killed by those weapons as well (unless they're in the redline, which is an issue of Redline Mechanics, not the Sniper Rifle).
Well, that's ONE weapon, compared to every single weapon in DUST. A Sniper can be killed by every single weapon besides a Swarm Launcher (and theoretically a Flaylock Pistol), so your point is moot. I once got killed by a Thale's sniper from 596m. I was in a cheap suit (i.e. free) so it was an OHKO. I was in the centre of the map. Please tell me how I'm supposed to fight him? I can't find him on a vehicle scanner because he's dampened, I can't move fast enough with a wide enough scan radius to find him on foot, I haven't invested enough SP in SRs to beat a redline Thale's Sniper who's probably in a bricked GalScout or something. I can't even rail him thanks to the range nerf, even if I could find him. Makes killing the fatsuit ones a chore too.
I emphasized some text for you.
Quote:This is a disturbingly similar argument to the one you railed against for so long from tankers.
I don't remember saying that the best and/or only counter to a Sniper should be another Sniper, nor do I remember saying that it should require multiple players to kill a Sniper.
NoLifing DUST for the Officer Swarm Launcher.
"Many things in life are subjective, morality is one of them..."
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Atiim
EnvyUs.
9925
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Posted - 2014.06.28 01:29:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Atiim wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Atiim wrote:@Cat Merc
That's not entirely true, as at any point in time a Sniper can be killed by those weapons as well (unless they're in the redline, which is an issue of Redline Mechanics, not the Sniper Rifle).
Well, that's ONE weapon, compared to every single weapon in DUST. A Sniper can be killed by every single weapon besides a Swarm Launcher (and theoretically a Flaylock Pistol), so your point is moot. Hidden and tucked behind the redline? Get real, their risk is FAR lower than any other combat unit and you know it.
Are you implying that the only place Snipers are is the redline?
NoLifing DUST for the Officer Swarm Launcher.
"Many things in life are subjective, morality is one of them..."
-HAND
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Poonmunch
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
1015
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Posted - 2014.06.28 01:31:00 -
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LAVALLOIS Nash wrote:You know what happens when a Sniper leaves the redline? Some rabid scout rushes up behind them.
Yah, a rabid INVISIBLE scout.
Who turns off his invisibility a microsecond before he pull the trigger on his shotgun (which is 1 meter from my head).
Munch
Anyone who buys AUR now is a fool.
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Operative 1125 Lokaas
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
251
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Posted - 2014.06.28 09:25:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Atiim wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Atiim wrote:@Cat Merc
That's not entirely true, as at any point in time a Sniper can be killed by those weapons as well (unless they're in the redline, which is an issue of Redline Mechanics, not the Sniper Rifle).
Well, that's ONE weapon, compared to every single weapon in DUST. A Sniper can be killed by every single weapon besides a Swarm Launcher (and theoretically a Flaylock Pistol), so your point is moot. I once got killed by a Thale's sniper from 596m. I was in a cheap suit (i.e. free) so it was an OHKO. I was in the centre of the map. Please tell me how I'm supposed to fight him? I can't find him on a vehicle scanner because he's dampened, I can't move fast enough with a wide enough scan radius to find him on foot, I haven't invested enough SP in SRs to beat a redline Thale's Sniper who's probably in a bricked GalScout or something. I can't even rail him thanks to the range nerf, even if I could find him. Makes killing the fatsuit ones a chore too. This is a disturbingly similar argument to the one you railed against for so long from tankers.
Proving that there is only one sniper weapon per game and so all other players are defenseless against the one guy that grabbed the sniper rifle.
Seriously though. The way to locate and kill a sniper is to get a sniper rifle and a starter fit. Start from your redline and move around the outside of the map. Scope in as you are moving from time to time to identify the general location if possible. Moving back and forth helps.
When in a position you think you can scope him but be far enough so as not to get hit easily (i.e. Max distance from him) take cover opposite the direction you suspect he is at. From cover move out little by little, exposing yourself to the direction you think the sniper is shooting from. If you get shot you found the direction. It is in line with the angle he shot you just as you exposed yourself. Next move to another location and try to quickly scope him. If he's good he will probably already be scoping you. If not you can get him.
If you don't like losing a clone or taking another hit to your k/dr or you can't scope him before he scopes you then you should stop worrying so much about snipers and stay in cover next time.
Run a scout suit with a cloak and drop a link in a place that you can easily spawn back to under cover.
Also, yeah Atiim! The h*ll with defending sniping with the same arguments you use against tanks man?
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3166
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Posted - 2014.06.28 14:48:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:I have only played three matches today and have already been killed by snipers almost 10 times. And I would have died many more times by snipers if I wasn't close to cover.
So now for the majority of this event I am stocking up on ADS and suicide gorgon/hmg fits and will be hunting sniper exclusively. You redline bitches have killed me from your safezone for the last time.
Do you know how long I've been doing that? I forsake the win to kill those snipers. I couldn't care any less how many suits or dropships it costs me to get them either. Sometimes, I hunt them for the rest of the game, killing them multiple times.
Used to do the same for tanks..but since the distance on the rail got nerfed, that isn't a problem anymore.
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
4053
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Posted - 2014.06.28 14:56:00 -
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Shotgun + Cloak if they're near the redline.
Rail Rifle + Cloak if they're tucked back a bit.
Forge Gun would be next, followed by a DIY Sniper fitting.
But, Yes, the mechanic sucks but **** mechanics are what make this game so attractive to **** players.
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
10512
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Posted - 2014.06.28 15:02:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Atiim wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Atiim wrote:@Cat Merc
That's not entirely true, as at any point in time a Sniper can be killed by those weapons as well (unless they're in the redline, which is an issue of Redline Mechanics, not the Sniper Rifle).
Well, that's ONE weapon, compared to every single weapon in DUST. A Sniper can be killed by every single weapon besides a Swarm Launcher (and theoretically a Flaylock Pistol), so your point is moot. Hidden and tucked behind the redline? Get real, their risk is FAR lower than any other combat unit and you know it. Are you implying that the only place Snipers are is the redline?
Why wouldn't they be?
They have 600m of range, and a safe spot from where they can take pot shots at people way, way outside of their range.
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smilezofpain
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.28 15:22:00 -
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i am a dedicated sniper.That is my role in this game.I help my team win as best I can.I don't sit in the redline,don't need to.There are many choice spots for me to hide for a time.I have died from knives to other snipers but I don't take offense,it's part of the game.I have over 1000 confirmed kills as sniper.The best part is sniping other snipers or cloaked kills. |
Atiim
EnvyUs.
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Posted - 2014.06.28 16:34:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:
Why wouldn't they be?
They have 600m of range, and a safe spot from where they can take pot shots at people way, way outside of their range.
Because not every vantage point is in the redline, and because most times sniping from the redline only works when your enemy team stays in one area.
Not to mention that supporting your team by doing other actions, such as placing Drop Uplinks and hacking unguarded objectives aren't possible from the redline.
Would it be safe to assume that you have not played with a dedicated Sniper, and/or have never been a Sniper who's done anything outside of the redline? Also, I'd appreciate it if you answered my question.
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