DUST Search - Dust's missing link: the Assault suit

Seymour KrelbornX wrote:

there is a lot of talk on these forums about "nerf/buff" scouts and "nerf/buff" heavies, but when the assault suit is mentioned the conversation is always , and only about "buff."
if you look at the history of the dust 514 forums I don't believe you will ever find a thread that says the assault suit is OP.
in fact the only medium suit variant that ever gets cries for the nerf bat is the logi.

doesn't this tell you something CCP?

when deployed the battlefield is littered with scouts and heavies, and peppered with logies, but the assault suit is hardly ever seen.

DO the metrics lie?

is it possible the scouts and heavies are so difficult to balance because there is a piece of the puzzle missing: the assault suit?

I understand theres an issue with going through sony to make changes, keeping them server side, but I don't really understand why.

I don't think the assaults as well as the harmony between all suits can be achieved without a serious overhaul.

heavies need to slow down, scouts need to have there overall max ehp reduced and assaults.... well they need quite a bit...

assaults need a racial buff to light and side arm dmg, to make their set up unique they need an extra grenade slot, and a slight buff to passive scans.

I wont presume to tell you the numbers, it isn't my strong point, but I can tell you from playing since the day open beta dropped and being a capable merc I can feel this in bones its the right direction.

the squeaky wheel gets the grease so the community must be loud about getting some kind of improvement to the assault suit for hot fix Charlie.

but there must be a plan to get a true balance to the way all the suits co exist, and that update will have to be a big one, there simply doesn't seem to be any other way.

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Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 196	Posted - 2014.06.26 01:44:00 - [1] - Quote there is a lot of talk on these forums about "nerf/buff" scouts and "nerf/buff" heavies, but when the assault suit is mentioned the conversation is always , and only about "buff." if you look at the history of the dust 514 forums I don't believe you will ever find a thread that says the assault suit is OP. in fact the only medium suit variant that ever gets cries for the nerf bat is the logi. doesn't this tell you something CCP? when deployed the battlefield is littered with scouts and heavies, and peppered with logies, but the assault suit is hardly ever seen. DO the metrics lie? is it possible the scouts and heavies are so difficult to balance because there is a piece of the puzzle missing: the assault suit? I understand theres an issue with going through sony to make changes, keeping them server side, but I don't really understand why. I don't think the assaults as well as the harmony between all suits can be achieved without a serious overhaul. heavies need to slow down, scouts need to have there overall max ehp reduced and assaults.... well they need quite a bit... assaults need a racial buff to light and side arm dmg, to make their set up unique they need an extra grenade slot, and a slight buff to passive scans. I wont presume to tell you the numbers, it isn't my strong point, but I can tell you from playing since the day open beta dropped and being a capable nerf I can feel this in bones its the right direction. the squeaky wheel gets the grease so the community must be loud about getting some kind of improvement to the assault suit for hot fix Charlie. but there must be a plan to get a true balance to the way all the suits co exist, and that update will have to be a big one, there simply doesn't seem to be any other way.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8611	Posted - 2014.06.26 01:48:00 - [2] - Quote CTRL F Commando 0 Results Good, at least this Assault thread isn't suggesting removing the Commando. Amarr are the good guys.
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3801	Posted - 2014.06.26 01:49:00 - [3] - Quote We wanted to nerf the assault back in Chromosome or something IIRC. At least, I remember the CalAssault being pretty awesome back then. Dat vk.1 doe (I think? I barely even remember now...) CCP Rattati Best Dev AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5 CalLogi, you're next!
Leovarian L Lavitz Last VenDetta. Dark Taboo 1114	Posted - 2014.06.26 01:49:00 - [4] - Quote Give scouts the same hitbox as the assault... BAM Omni-Soldier Few are my equal in these specialties, none compare in all of them
Atiim NoGameNoLife 9860	Posted - 2014.06.26 01:50:00 - [5] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: CTRL F Commando 0 Results Good, at least this Assault thread isn't suggesting removing the Commando. I'm not gonna lie, I did a "Ctrl + F Commando" as well. NoLifing DUST for the Officer Swarm Launcher. "Many things in life are subjective, morality is one of them..." -HAND
Lynn Beck NoGameNoLife 1935	Posted - 2014.06.26 01:54:00 - [6] - Quote Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: Give scouts the same hitbox as the assault... BAM No. NO. I AM THE ONE AND ONLY EMERIL. Just give assaults better regen than scouts... even a bit. General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 200	Posted - 2014.06.26 03:38:00 - [7] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: We wanted to nerf the assault back in Chromosome or something IIRC. At least, I remember the CalAssault being pretty awesome back then. Dat vk.1 doe (I think? I barely even remember now...) I remember the cal logi being QQed over... but not the assault.
DEATH THE KlD Harem. King 22	Posted - 2014.06.26 03:46:00 - [8] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: We wanted to nerf the assault back in Chromosome or something IIRC. At least, I remember the CalAssault being pretty awesome back then. Dat vk.1 doe (I think? I barely even remember now...) I remember the cal logi being QQed over... but not the assault. That shield bonus should have been for the assault.
Spectre-M The Generals 556	Posted - 2014.06.26 04:01:00 - [9] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: Give scouts the same hitbox as the assault... BAM No. NO. I AM THE ONE AND ONLY EMERIL. Just give assaults better regen than scouts... even a bit. Regen is the obvious choice for assaults. I'm not sure why CCP haven't done it yet. It would make rechargers and regulators as viable as hp mods, making the assaults more flexable. Minnmitar in Amarr armor. A Wolf in Sheeps clothing. May the Empress live till she graces my sights.
OP FOTM Commando Perkone Caldari State 67	Posted - 2014.06.26 04:02:00 - [10] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: CTRL F Commando 0 Results Good, at least this Assault thread isn't suggesting removing the Commando. lmfao

Mikey Ducati Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 91	Posted - 2014.06.26 04:02:00 - [11] - Quote Yes, assaults are past due on the love shots. I remember when a CalAss was BadAss.
Louis Domi PRadox One Proficiency V. 389	Posted - 2014.06.26 04:13:00 - [12] - Quote Assualts aren't missing.... They're in the marketplace.... I think you can get one for 3000 isk... Silly you (Didn't actually read your post) Edit: Got the gist of it... I always thought Assualts should have gotten the commando Skill Bonus, along with a change to slot layout
The True Inferno Myrmidon Syndicate 6	Posted - 2014.06.26 05:52:00 - [13] - Quote Old skills anyone?(I be missen that 25% extra shield)
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 207	Posted - 2014.06.26 20:48:00 - [14] - Quote The True Inferno wrote: Old skills anyone?(I be missen that 25% extra shield) I don't know if the assault would need a buff to shields or armor if they had an appropriate buff to dmg. but I would say they need either a dmg or ehp buff... but not both, and it would be more fitting to the assault to have a dmg buff.
pegasis prime PROTO WOLVES 1771	Posted - 2014.06.26 20:54:00 - [15] - Quote I don't know why everyone thinks assault suits are crap. I fit 3 complex regulators 2 complex extenders and 2 enhanced energisers on my Cko and it's beast . The shields kick back in , in less than a second and recharge at about 7 hp per second it's great when equipped with a klakatoa Rail rifle and you have plenty of cover to duck and weave through. Proud Gunlogi pilot and forge gunner since August 2012. I fought and bled for the State on Caldari prime.
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 207	Posted - 2014.06.26 21:03:00 - [16] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: I don't know why everyone thinks assault suits are crap. I fit 3 complex regulators 2 complex extenders and 2 enhanced energisers on my Cko and it's beast . The shields kick back in , in less than a second and recharge at about 7 hp per second it's great when equipped with a klakatoa Rail rifle and you have plenty of cover to duck and weave through. you can do the same in a logi suit and have multiple equip slots. the problem is the assault doesn't have it's own role, that another suit like the scout or logi can do better.
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 10465	Posted - 2014.06.26 21:04:00 - [17] - Quote I do think assaults are the missing link. They should be the suit that actually makes a heavy worried, rather than "oh look more meat for the grinder!". Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Gooseman Manwhore CREATURES OF THE NIGHT 70	Posted - 2014.06.26 21:05:00 - [18] - Quote I think they should just not color them white anymore. It's like you're running around and going "Hey, I wear running shorts." I run around with a MinAss and I generally just die because I stick out more than most heavies do. I say we should get better Camo first and foremost. Besides, isn't white and red the general colors for medics? Even if it's just on their sleeve. I put the sexi in dyslexia
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 207	Posted - 2014.06.26 21:45:00 - [19] - Quote Gooseman Manwhore wrote: I think they should just not color them white anymore. It's like you're running around and going "Hey, I wear running shorts." I run around with a MinAss and I generally just die because I stick out more than most heavies do. I say we should get better Camo first and foremost. Besides, isn't white and red the general colors for medics? Even if it's just on their sleeve. doesn't matter what color your suit is if the chevron above your head is still bright red....this is a non issue.
Forlorn Destrier 2567	Posted - 2014.06.26 22:02:00 - [20] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: pegasis prime wrote: I don't know why everyone thinks assault suits are crap. I fit 3 complex regulators 2 complex extenders and 2 enhanced energisers on my Cko and it's beast . The shields kick back in , in less than a second and recharge at about 7 hp per second it's great when equipped with a klakatoa Rail rifle and you have plenty of cover to duck and weave through. you can do the same in a logi suit and have multiple equip slots. the problem is the assault doesn't have it's own role, that another suit like the scout or logi can do better. They need a slight buff, not an overall. The Assault is designed to be a jack of all trades - meaning it can do the job of all of the other suits (just not as well) allowing you to adapt to different situations without looking for a supply depot. That's my take anyway.

Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 6213	Posted - 2014.06.26 22:11:00 - [21] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: Seymour KrelbornX wrote: pegasis prime wrote: I don't know why everyone thinks assault suits are crap. I fit 3 complex regulators 2 complex extenders and 2 enhanced energisers on my Cko and it's beast . The shields kick back in , in less than a second and recharge at about 7 hp per second it's great when equipped with a klakatoa Rail rifle and you have plenty of cover to duck and weave through. you can do the same in a logi suit and have multiple equip slots. the problem is the assault doesn't have it's own role, that another suit like the scout or logi can do better. They need a slight buff, not an overall. The Assault is designed to be a jack of all trades - meaning it can do the job of all of the other suits (just not as well) allowing you to adapt to different situations without looking for a supply depot. That's my take anyway. while we are at it can we fix this stupid Supply Depot instant changing to suits. It's ridiculous. I had one DDB **** in an amarr sentinel and I had him down to a sliver of health but he cowarded his way to the Supply Depot where he changed to another +1000 ehp suit in which I nearly killed the pansy again with his HMG still hurting me from 40m away but YET ONCE AGAIN HE CHANGES HIS SUIT and I run out of ammo and he kills me. (No I couldn't run away from the exploiter there was a sniper and other members watching the exit) This can't be allowed in Legion. It's complete and utter BS. This Federation is now at war. We have no time for dissenters
Tectonic Fusion 1781	Posted - 2014.06.26 22:22:00 - [22] - Quote Back in the day, we wuz been killed by ars n ** n in a assult suite we be dyin for dayz n we have insta regen to we bee lyk OP n ** ya know wat I mean?
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2936	Posted - 2014.06.26 22:22:00 - [23] - Quote Unfortunately the solution is not as simple as changing a few stats here or there, the Assault suit needs something to do, something to be. This is why in Legion the Commando is becoming the Assault, there is no role for a conventionally fit medium suit to aspire to. Everything that can be done by an Assault suit can be done better by any of the other suits significantly. My suit's a bit rusty, but that could just as easily be me! Monkey Mac - Swinging from the Rooftops Forum Warrior Lvl2
Gooseman Manwhore CREATURES OF THE NIGHT 71	Posted - 2014.06.26 22:32:00 - [24] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Gooseman Manwhore wrote: I think they should just not color them white anymore. It's like you're running around and going "Hey, I wear running shorts." I run around with a MinAss and I generally just die because I stick out more than most heavies do. I say we should get better Camo first and foremost. Besides, isn't white and red the general colors for medics? Even if it's just on their sleeve. doesn't matter what color your suit is if the chevron above your head is still bright red....this is a non issue. I don't quite see how this isn't. Maybe I'm being too practical but let's face facts. You don't go after an enemy in the brightest colors you can find. It's hard to flank an enemy if you literally stick out amongst everything. You don't see people breaking into other people's houses wearing bright colors. You don't see the military of any nation in something other than the camo of their surroundings. I see wearing all white as a flag saying "Hey, shoot me first." Even heavies blend in better and they're almost double the size. Then again, maybe I just think too much. I put the sexi in dyslexia
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 212	Posted - 2014.06.27 00:59:00 - [25] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: Seymour KrelbornX wrote: pegasis prime wrote: I don't know why everyone thinks assault suits are crap. I fit 3 complex regulators 2 complex extenders and 2 enhanced energisers on my Cko and it's beast . The shields kick back in , in less than a second and recharge at about 7 hp per second it's great when equipped with a klakatoa Rail rifle and you have plenty of cover to duck and weave through. you can do the same in a logi suit and have multiple equip slots. the problem is the assault doesn't have it's own role, that another suit like the scout or logi can do better. They need a slight buff, not an overall. The Assault is designed to be a jack of all trades - meaning it can do the job of all of the other suits (just not as well) allowing you to adapt to different situations without looking for a supply depot. That's my take anyway. I respectfully disagree... the assault suit is THE slayer class, and as such should be designed accordingly... in all else it is a jack of trades... but it must be the best frontline slayer... right now scouts are...
Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5449	Posted - 2014.06.27 01:30:00 - [26] - Quote Honestly, I'm running into just as many assaults as scouts, if not more. Sentinels are the kings of the battlefield right now, though. Mainly because you don't need any brain cells to get a decent amount of WP with them pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè
pa ck G.L.O.R.Y Dark Taboo 16	Posted - 2014.06.27 01:55:00 - [27] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: there is a lot of talk on these forums about "nerf/buff" scouts and "nerf/buff" heavies, but when the assault suit is mentioned the conversation is always , and only about "buff." if you look at the history of the dust 514 forums I don't believe you will ever find a thread that says the assault suit is OP. in fact the only medium suit variant that ever gets cries for the nerf bat is the logi. doesn't this tell you something CCP? when deployed the battlefield is littered with scouts and heavies, and peppered with logies, but the assault suit is hardly ever seen. DO the metrics lie? is it possible the scouts and heavies are so difficult to balance because there is a piece of the puzzle missing: the assault suit? I understand theres an issue with going through sony to make changes, keeping them server side, but I don't really understand why. I don't think the assaults as well as the harmony between all suits can be achieved without a serious overhaul. heavies need to slow down, scouts need to have there overall max ehp reduced and assaults.... well they need quite a bit... assaults need a racial buff to light and side arm dmg, to make their set up unique they need an extra grenade slot, and a slight buff to passive scans. I wont presume to tell you the numbers, it isn't my strong point, but I can tell you from playing since the day open beta dropped and being a capable merc I can feel this in bones its the right direction. the squeaky wheel gets the grease so the community must be loud about getting some kind of improvement to the assault suit for hot fix Charlie. but there must be a plan to get a true balance to the way all the suits co exist, and that update will have to be a big one, there simply doesn't seem to be any other way. Made me proud Lone Wolf -Assault CK.0
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 213	Posted - 2014.06.27 01:56:00 - [28] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Honestly, I'm running into just as many assaults as scouts, if not more. Sentinels are the kings of the battlefield right now, though. Mainly because you don't need any brain cells to get a decent amount of WP with them I would say the reason you notice more assault suits lately is because we have had an influx of new players who don't know any better... but, if you can recall, were these assault wearing mercs easy kills? were they useful blueberries? were they on top of the boards? did go positive k/d? I'm gonna go on a limb here and say probably not... the proof is in the performance...
pa ck G.L.O.R.Y Dark Taboo 16	Posted - 2014.06.27 02:05:00 - [29] - Quote Very true usually its the guy straight out of academy Lone Wolf -Assault CK.0
Arcturis Vanguard Red Star. EoN. 132	Posted - 2014.06.27 02:21:00 - [30] - Quote The assault suit need to be the slayer suit from back in the day. I remember first starting off as a heavy (chromosome) and constantly being swarmed by assaults (medium frames). Now, not so much.. When I think about the racial/bonus skills, I'm actually surprised with what was given out. I feel the assaults should have received a damage bonus and an efficiency bonus to regen modules. The are the foremost front line fighters which means the hit hard and recoup fast to get back at it. I feel the assaults should have received the two equipment slots to allow more flexible on the front line. Commandos should have received a bonus to clip size and efficiency to hp modules. They should have been the suppressive suit while still being able to take a few hits while keeping enemy contained. Logi bonuses are good where they are. I won't discuss scouts as I'm already getting off topic.. Amarr Heavy V Amarr Assault V Caldari Scout V Caldari logistic IV Prof V HMG & FORGE Prof IV CR, SMG Prof III ScR



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