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Atiim
NoGameNoLife
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Posted - 2014.06.25 19:58:00 -
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Who thinks that current Passive Scanners are as bad as the 1.6 Active Scanners?
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"Many things in life are subjective, morality is one of them..."
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Benjamin Ciscko
The Last of DusT.
General Tso's Alliance
2371
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Posted - 2014.06.25 20:04:00 -
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http://youtu.be/YLA2friU70M
Tanker/Logi
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I-Shayz-I
I----------I
3781
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Posted - 2014.06.25 20:46:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:http://youtu.be/YLA2friU70M
Just look at all the hate I got from making that video too...
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Cyrius Li-Moody
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.06.25 20:48:00 -
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You do know active scans still exist right? People just don't run them. It's not like they magically went away.
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Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2014.06.25 20:51:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:http://youtu.be/YLA2friU70M Just look at all the hate I got from making that video too...
I remember that video. Remove squad share and buff assaults. That should be the first step, then adjust from there.
EDIT: They are a problem, but just not as much. For instance, I can fool scouts by going around with long distance, but with scanners I can get scanned WAY out there (still is a problem for me).
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Baal Omniscient
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
1831
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Posted - 2014.06.25 20:57:00 -
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Me. Get's really old trying to play any match against an organized squad since you know there are 6 people out there who ALWAYS know when you are close to them and can pop out and ambush you at any moment.
Is this a pettition? Because I'd like to be first to volunteer my name to any petition that ends this ****. Shared squad vision was left behind in Chromosome for a reason, now every scrub who wanted to play easymode has it while the rest of us are basically playing THEIR game.
I'd like people to blip on their radar every 5-10 seconds instead, this **** is pretty ******* stupid.
Please pardon the language, been awake for 40 hours and I'm pissy as **** right now.
Oh, and Atiim.... dat Officer Swarm Launcher is MINE! >=D
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Cross Atu for CPM1
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Reign Omega
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
482
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Posted - 2014.06.25 21:00:00 -
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65 meter calscans? I wins.
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Baal Omniscient
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
1831
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Posted - 2014.06.25 21:09:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:http://youtu.be/YLA2friU70M Just look at all the hate I got from making that video too...
That video needs linked into every calscout discussion that happens on the forums....
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Winmatar Assault & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0
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Benjamin Ciscko
The Last of DusT.
General Tso's Alliance
2372
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Posted - 2014.06.25 21:10:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:You do know active scans still exist right? People just don't run them. It's not like they magically went away.
I think your missing the point.
Tanker/Logi
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.06.25 21:11:00 -
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@OP - No.
Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:You do know active scans still exist right? People just don't run them. It's not like they magically went away.
But active scans are vastly less effective than they were.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
New Age Empire.
1558
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Posted - 2014.06.25 21:12:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Who thinks that current Passive Scanners are as bad as the 1.6 Active Scanners?
Scanners were worse and 100% unavoidable.
Closed beta vet.
If bo burnham was on my little pony
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Kurai-Ronin
Very Dangerous F'kn People
6
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Posted - 2014.06.25 21:13:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Who thinks that current Passive Scanners are as bad as the 1.6 Active Scanners?
Nah just strap on few complex precision enchancers and complex range enchancers and you can see cloaked scout with their red pointer on top |
Boot Booter
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
611
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Posted - 2014.06.25 21:28:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Atiim wrote:Who thinks that current Passive Scanners are as bad as the 1.6 Active Scanners? Scanners were worse and 100% unavoidable.
Nope not true. I could strap one complex profile damp on my assault and avoid all but proto scanners. In 1.8, I'd need two just to get below the cal scouts normal scan precision at lvl 5. If that cal scout then puts just one precision enhancer on I'm screwed. Something needs to be done. Intel is the most powerful asset on the battlefield. We learned this with active scanners, we've learned this with 1.8.
I think a good start would be to end squad shared passive scans. This allows active scanners to have a niche as well.
Secondly I like the idea of not showing enemy direction from passive scans.
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OP FOTM
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
48
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Posted - 2014.06.25 21:35:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:http://youtu.be/YLA2friU70M Just look at all the hate I got from making that video too...
i was the last to comment and i wasn't hating. i was just in the process of making the decision to go Gallogi |
Baal Omniscient
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
1834
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Posted - 2014.06.26 00:03:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:@OP - No. Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:You do know active scans still exist right? People just don't run them. It's not like they magically went away. But active scans are vastly less effective than they were.
I think the point was that current passive scans are just as bad as actives used to be. Sure, you're just lighting them up for your squad and not your whole team, but it is a passive bonus always on without ever requiring you to put your gun down and do something that prevents you from running or defending yourself, and passively scans all non-scouts without damps equipped.
At the very least, squad vision needs to die. And possibly the removal of directional information from all non-active scans as well.
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Leovarian L Lavitz
Last VenDetta.
Dark Taboo
1113
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Posted - 2014.06.26 00:16:00 -
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I think the way to fix passive scans and make them more tactical in their use is to adjust their scanning abilities based on your movement.
Couching and Not moving = current passive scans
Couching and moving = current passive scans + 15 resolution (making it harder to detect things
Standing and not moving = current passive scans + 25 (making it much harder to detect things
Standing and running (not sprinting) = current passive scans + 30
Sprinting = Current passive scans + 45 (A scanner scout still sees things)
Your scan profile also increases by the same amount for doing all of the above actions.
Omni-Soldier
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
2135
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Posted - 2014.06.26 00:20:00 -
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Worse.
There is no cool down.
There is no time taken to pirouette.
There is no limit to duration.
There is no message informing you that you have been scanned.
The only draw back is range, otherwise its way worse.
This is how a minja feels
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Legio DXIV
3798
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Posted - 2014.06.26 00:41:00 -
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They are worse by far.
I'm still working on maxxing them though :)
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AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5
CalLogi, you're next!
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Atiim
NoGameNoLife
9869
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Posted - 2014.06.26 15:51:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Atiim wrote:Who thinks that current Passive Scanners are as bad as the 1.6 Active Scanners? Scanners were worse and 100% unavoidable.
Passive Scanners are equally unavoidable.
NoLifing DUST for the Officer Swarm Launcher.
"Many things in life are subjective, morality is one of them..."
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Legio DXIV
3812
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Posted - 2014.06.26 16:04:00 -
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Atiim wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Atiim wrote:Who thinks that current Passive Scanners are as bad as the 1.6 Active Scanners? Scanners were worse and 100% unavoidable. Passive Scanners are equally unavoidable.
Passive scanners are dramatically more unavoidable.
At least with passive scans dying broke the scan until they refreshed it...
Passives pick you up anyway.
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AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5
CalLogi, you're next!
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Anmol Singh
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
729
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Posted - 2014.06.26 16:08:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:http://youtu.be/YLA2friU70M
1.6, anyone can use scanners and it took up an equipment slot, now not everyone can use passive scanning. It takes a scout + millions of SP into scanning modules to scan passively.
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Legio DXIV
3813
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Posted - 2014.06.26 16:25:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:http://youtu.be/YLA2friU70M 1.6, anyone can use scanners and it took up an equipment slot, now not everyone can use passive scanning. It takes a scout + millions of SP into scanning modules to scan passively.
But once you do that's it. At least even the tankiest GalLogi was vulnerable for a moment while he scanned - CalScout always sees you coming.
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AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5
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vlad stoich
NoGameNoLife
147
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Posted - 2014.06.26 16:28:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:http://youtu.be/YLA2friU70M Just look at all the hate I got from making that video too...
Great video as usual. I think I have lost count of how many times I have watched the PLC AV vid. |
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
453
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Posted - 2014.06.26 16:56:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Who thinks that current Passive Scanners are as bad as the 1.6 Active Scanners?
They are worse in many ways. But everyone carried actives. Not everyone has passives. |
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