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JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 318	Posted - 2014.06.24 03:23:00 - [1] - Quote according to New Eden standards Gallente and Caldari share Hybrid weapons so why do our bonuses only apply to 1 and why are they crap. My bad but I hate that bonus why do we have that we are long range that give out alot of damage so they give us not range not damage not even mag bonus but........reload -_- And then the Gallente bonus just makes it worse dispersion would make it harder to aim in medium and short range. Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11068	Posted - 2014.06.24 03:26:00 - [2] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: according to New Eden standards Gallente and Caldari share Hybrid weapons so why do our bonuses only apply to 1 and why are they crap. My bad but I hate that bonus why do we have that we are long range that give out alot of damage so they give us not range not damage not even mag bonus but........reload -_- And then the Gallente bonus just makes it worse dispersion would make it harder to aim in medium and short range. As long as the bonuses can be well achieved then sharing them is fine.....but can a slow firing long range precision weapon and a short ranged less accurate high RoF weapon really share meaningful benefits? " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 239	Posted - 2014.06.24 03:28:00 - [3] - Quote Same way in EVE. Ship bonuses are rails for cal and blaster for gal. Also, no need to offer bonuses to two types vs. one for other races just because both type weapons are defined as Hybrid. Wish CCP would rename one or the other to avoid confusion. THIS IS THE VOICE OF RÁN
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 6156	Posted - 2014.06.24 03:42:00 - [4] - Quote Gallente Bonus: increase to RoF to Hybrid weapons. Caldari: Increase to falloff range (Falloff does not equal effective range) on Hybrid weapons? (Can't think of a bonus to Railguns without making them wtf OP) This Federation is now at war. We have no time for dissenters
Midas Fool Watchdoge Explosives 480	Posted - 2014.06.24 05:22:00 - [5] - Quote I personally really like the reload bonus (CalAssault 5, RR Prof 3 Reload 3). I find it pretty useful for getting back into ADS and keeping sustained damage downrange. Helps me stay "focused". Plus it makes the Magsec and Bolt Pistol significantly easier to use. What about it is not to like? I can't imagine my Caldari suit getting bonuses to Gallente weapons. Why? Gallente bonus is ok, but I think it falls short compared to the other Assault bonuses. My Suggestion: Give Assaults 2 racial (keep fitting for class) weapon-based bonuses. Instant buff, two birds. Amarr: Bonus to Laser Weapon Heat Build-up and also Overheat Cooldown. Caldari: Bonus to Hybrid Weapon (Rail) Reload and also Range Gallente: Bonus to Hybrid Weapon (Blaster) Dispersion and also Rate of Fire Minmatar: Bonus to Projectile Weapon and also Explosive Weapon Magazine Capacity The only problem I would forsee with this is the Minmatar Assault getting pretty scary. But they kinda need a buff of some kind anyway. More dakka seems appropriate in exchange for lower EHP. CAPTURE CA-LARGE BLASTER TURRETS TO DESTROY ENEMY MCC
Midas Fool Watchdoge Explosives 480	Posted - 2014.06.24 05:25:00 - [6] - Quote Also, does the GalAssault bonus tighten shotgun spread? Because if it doesn't, it should. CAPTURE CA-LARGE BLASTER TURRETS TO DESTROY ENEMY MCC
Cogadh Draco WarRavens Final Resolution. 55	Posted - 2014.06.24 05:50:00 - [7] - Quote Midas Fool wrote: Also, does the GalAssault bonus tighten shotgun spread? Because if it doesn't, it should. The operations skill tightens spread on shotguns.
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 319	Posted - 2014.06.24 06:24:00 - [8] - Quote [quote=Midas Fool]I personally really like the reload bonus (CalAssault 5, RR Prof 3 Reload 3). I find it pretty useful for getting back into ADS and keeping sustained damage downrange. Helps me stay "focused". Plus it makes the Magsec and Bolt Pistol significantly easier to use. What about it is not to like? I can't imagine my Caldari suit getting bonuses to Gallente weapons. Why? Gallente bonus is ok, but I think it falls short compared to the other Assault bonuses. My Suggestion: Give Assaults 2 racial (keep fitting for class) weapon-based bonuses. Instant buff, two birds. Amarr: Bonus to Laser Weapon Heat Build-up and also Overheat Cooldown. Caldari: Bonus to Hybrid Weapon (Rail) Reload and also Range Gallente: Bonus to Hybrid Weapon (Blaster) Dispersion and also Rate of Fire Minmatar: Bonus to Projectile Weapon and also Explosive Weapon Magazine Capacity Ahh I like that but gallente dispersion should be replaced with dmg if it is close range Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
Lynn Beck NoGameNoLife 1901	Posted - 2014.06.24 06:31:00 - [9] - Quote The Capsuleer ships were created in a day when the Gallente/Caldari were allies, thus they shared bonuses as they helped each other build their weapons' systems. The Ground forces' armaments which were manufactured SPECIFICALLY for Dust merc's consumption was wayyy after Gal/Cal started their war- thus they don't know how to operate each oter's weaponry as well. This was discussed way, way long ago. Example: Plasma Cannon is a 1 shot plasma launcher, the heat generated by 1 shot is sufficient to kill its' shooter upon firing, thus it wasn't concieved until AFTER the idea to place nuclear reactors in our spines and put shielding systems powerful enough to withstand that heat were implemented. Rail rifles i am guessing, drained so much 'Capacitor' from the host that it was impractical to run one prior to nuclear reactor imbued Mercs, which was only possible AFTER the Implant's discovery, which is WAAAYYY after Gal/Cal split. General John Ripper -HAM(Yum) This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Non-Association Foster Care Office
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1491	Posted - 2014.06.24 06:47:00 - [10] - Quote Midas Fool wrote: I personally really like the reload bonus (CalAssault 5, RR Prof 3 Reload 3). I find it pretty useful for getting back into ADS and keeping sustained damage downrange. Helps me stay "focused". Plus it makes the Magsec and Bolt Pistol significantly easier to use. What about it is not to like? Perhaps I'm getting forgetful in my old age here but doesn't the Cal assault bonus only affect light weapons ie. not the magsec or the bolt pistol? Fun > Realism

Midas Fool Watchdoge Explosives 482	Posted - 2014.06.24 07:13:00 - [11] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: Perhaps I'm getting forgetful in my old age here but doesn't the Cal assault bonus only affect light weapons ie. not the magsec or the bolt pistol? "Rail Weapon Reload". Seems like it's working. You're thinking of the Cal Commando. CAPTURE CA-LARGE BLASTER TURRETS TO DESTROY ENEMY MCC
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 10401	Posted - 2014.06.24 07:19:00 - [12] - Quote True Adamance wrote: JARREL THOMAS wrote: according to New Eden standards Gallente and Caldari share Hybrid weapons so why do our bonuses only apply to 1 and why are they crap. My bad but I hate that bonus why do we have that we are long range that give out alot of damage so they give us not range not damage not even mag bonus but........reload -_- And then the Gallente bonus just makes it worse dispersion would make it harder to aim in medium and short range. As long as the bonuses can be well achieved then sharing them is fine.....but can a slow firing long range precision weapon and a short ranged less accurate high RoF weapon really share meaningful benefits? Yes. The recoil bonus can be useful on the Rail Rifle and the reload bonus can be useful on the AR. Rail Rifle because it has annoying recoil (it's not bad, but it's annoying sometimes), and the AR because it's a CQC weapon with the second slowest reload time. You DO NOT want a slow reload time on a CQC weapon. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 10401	Posted - 2014.06.24 07:21:00 - [13] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: The Capsuleer ships were created in a day when the Gallente/Caldari were allies, thus they shared bonuses as they helped each other build their weapons' systems. The Ground forces' armaments which were manufactured SPECIFICALLY for Dust merc's consumption was wayyy after Gal/Cal started their war- thus they don't know how to operate each oter's weaponry as well. This was discussed way, way long ago. Example: Plasma Cannon is a 1 shot plasma launcher, the heat generated by 1 shot is sufficient to kill its' shooter upon firing, thus it wasn't concieved until AFTER the idea to place nuclear reactors in our spines and put shielding systems powerful enough to withstand that heat were implemented. Rail rifles i am guessing, drained so much 'Capacitor' from the host that it was impractical to run one prior to nuclear reactor imbued Mercs, which was only possible AFTER the Implant's discovery, which is WAAAYYY after Gal/Cal split. Rail Rifle would break the user's spine (or shoulders if you're slightly luckier). The Assault Rifle would light the user on fire. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11088	Posted - 2014.06.24 07:38:00 - [14] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: The Capsuleer ships were created in a day when the Gallente/Caldari were allies, thus they shared bonuses as they helped each other build their weapons' systems. . Actually I don't believe that is true. The Capsule was given to the Caldari by the Jove in response to the Federations overwhelming use of Drones in their militaries, the Caldari were already at war with the Gallente at this point. Perhaps you mean the hulls? I know some are a decade old but not many would have been around or in use since the beginning of the schism. " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox 361	Posted - 2014.06.24 07:57:00 - [15] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: Gallente bonus just makes it worse dispersion would make it harder to aim in medium and short range. as a gallente assaulter. the bonus actually tightens highfire and reduces kick allowing more shots to land on the intended target and is great for brawling in cqc. es[pecially with the breach rifle which has tighter hip-fire and less disperseion than the assault variant. the way I see it the gallente assault has the better bonus's out of the assault suits. what people don't take into account with the assault suit bonus's is that they are about APPLYING damage. not having increased like commandos. *Elite Gallenten Soldier*
boba's fetta Dead Man's Game 705	Posted - 2014.06.24 08:04:00 - [16] - Quote in eve hybrids are call's second weapon not there primary. missles are there primary. hybrids belong to the gall inculding the rails. i find the fact that the call fw store has rails to be annoying at best. really they belong in the gall store.
Midas Fool Watchdoge Explosives 483	Posted - 2014.06.24 08:16:00 - [17] - Quote boba's fetta wrote: in eve hybrids are call's second weapon not there primary. missles are there primary. hybrids belong to the gall inculding the rails. i find the fact that the call fw store has rails to be annoying at best. really they belong in the gall store. On the ground? What, are we supposed to use RPGs? Besides, there are many railgun-specific Caldari ships. Rails are a secondary to the Caldari like Drones are a secondary to the Gallente. As in not really. CAPTURE CA-LARGE BLASTER TURRETS TO DESTROY ENEMY MCC
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 319	Posted - 2014.06.24 12:13:00 - [18] - Quote boba's fetta wrote: in eve hybrids are call's second weapon not there primary. missles are there primary. hybrids belong to the gall inculding the rails. i find the fact that the call fw store has rails to be annoying at best. really they belong in the gall store. THEY'VE TAKEN EVERYTHING! Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1352	Posted - 2014.06.24 12:25:00 - [19] - Quote Midas Fool wrote: I personally really like the reload bonus (CalAssault 5, RR Prof 3 Reload 3). I find it pretty useful for getting back into ADS and keeping sustained damage downrange. Helps me stay "focused". Plus it makes the Magsec and Bolt Pistol significantly easier to use. What about it is not to like? I can't imagine my Caldari suit getting bonuses to Gallente weapons. Why? Gallente bonus is ok, but I think it falls short compared to the other Assault bonuses. My Suggestion: Give Assaults 2 racial (keep fitting for class) weapon-based bonuses. Instant buff, two birds. Amarr: Bonus to Laser Weapon Heat Build-up and also Overheat Cooldown. Caldari: Bonus to Hybrid Weapon (Rail) Reload and also Range Gallente: Bonus to Hybrid Weapon (Blaster) Dispersion and also Rate of Fire Minmatar: Bonus to Projectile Weapon and also Explosive Weapon Magazine Capacity The only problem I would forsee with this is the Minmatar Assault getting pretty scary. But they kinda need a buff of some kind anyway. More dakka seems appropriate in exchange for lower EHP. If you want to limit the Minmatar striking fear into everyone with their 13 round Assault MD and their 11 round Freedom's and what not.. simply make it a two-part bonus with it being Projectile Magazine and Explosive Reserve Capacity. If you find an issue and I stumble upon your thread, I will do my darnedest to get the issue known. Also, Raptors...
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2900	Posted - 2014.06.24 14:35:00 - [20] - Quote I don't think you understand. Caldari produce long range hybrid rail guns. Gallante produce short range hybrid plasma weaponry. When they say they share theynare referring to 1 of 2 things. 1) unlike Amarr and Minmatar, they are both considered hybrid weapons, hybrid-projectile and hybrid-energy respectively. 2) In EvE caldari ships are oft seen with a few gallante weapon banks and vice versa, because they make up for the downfalls of each other. 3) They do not have the same technology, 1 fires plasma and 1 fires large chunks of metal that is why the bonuses are different. Looks like its back to FPS Military Shooter 56 Monkey Mac - Just another pile of discarded ashes on the battlefield!

Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dirt Nap Squad. 3411	Posted - 2014.06.24 14:41:00 - [21] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Gallente Bonus: increase to RoF to Hybrid weapons. Caldari: Increase to falloff range (Falloff does not equal effective range) on Hybrid weapons? (Can't think of a bonus to Railguns without making them wtf OP) I can't either, the only ideas I have are to make the rail worst and give the CalAssault a bonus to make for those things(like making the rail worst in CQC) I think the RoF is good on the AR, maybe give Gallente a bonus to reps and reactive plate repairs. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Baal Omniscient Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 1793	Posted - 2014.06.24 15:37:00 - [22] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: according to New Eden standards Gallente and Caldari share Hybrid weapons so why do our bonuses only apply to 1 and why are they crap. My bad but I hate that bonus why do we have that we are long range that give out alot of damage so they give us not range not damage not even mag bonus but........reload -_- And then the Gallente bonus just makes it worse dispersion would make it harder to aim in medium and short range. On my 9m SP alt I've specced prof. 1 into RR's and ran 3 matches. 15/0, 31/2, 27/5 (lots of tanks in the last match) with next to no core skills. That thing is ridiculous as it is right now so no to damage buffs, no to range buffs, and no to mag bonus. The RR operates, without a Calassault, like it should on a Cal assault 5. It has a small clip, so a reload speed bonus is about all you can give it without making it crazy OP. If you have more suggestions for a different bonus that wont make it crazy OP I'm more than happy to hear ideas. Good luck with that though unless you are going to go into further fitting bonuses beyond the other assault suits. PSN ID: AlbelNox2569 Cross Atu for CPM1 Winmatar Assault & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 6162	Posted - 2014.06.24 16:04:00 - [23] - Quote Gallente in the very least should at least have one or two long ranged options. What idiot would make an entire military short ranged focused? I'm surprised Gallente Ground forces have survived this long without getting owned by Serpentis. This Federation is now at war. We have no time for dissenters
Lynn Beck NoGameNoLife 1908	Posted - 2014.06.24 17:56:00 - [24] - Quote B-But gallente can go super fast. In some instances even faster than Minmatar(looking at you GalHeavy) I thought you used armor as a way to counter Minmatar or Guristas, but speed was used to counter Caldari/Amarr and any other long ranged clans. General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation
axINVICTUSxa DETHDEALERS RISE of LEGION 132	Posted - 2014.06.24 18:06:00 - [25] - Quote Midas Fool wrote: boba's fetta wrote: in eve hybrids are call's second weapon not there primary. missles are there primary. hybrids belong to the gall inculding the rails. i find the fact that the call fw store has rails to be annoying at best. really they belong in the gall store. On the ground? What, are we supposed to use RPGs? Besides, there are many railgun-specific Caldari ships. Rails are a secondary to the Caldari like Drones are a secondary to the Gallente. As in not really. If we had RPG's....I would go proto immediately. F*** forge guns aint nobody need dat shih when you got RPGs :D I think Dumbfire Missile Launchers would be more realistic. DAMN, if we could have those AV would be far easier--in stead of having ~~Stupid~~"Smart" Swarm Launchers that often time hit peaks or cliffs or rocks instead of the intended target. Dumbfire missiles or rockets can be calculated and aimed (given the range is decent) to hit target just when a tank passes into the intended area. I wallow in pools of blood and wash myself anew, I throw away my ugly self in order to become something beautiful...
Hynox Xitio 0uter.Heaven 1311	Posted - 2014.06.24 18:34:00 - [26] - Quote NEEEEEERD! Unleash the Fogwoggler, follow your dreams. ( -íº -£-û -íº) /)
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 794	Posted - 2014.06.24 19:29:00 - [27] - Quote axINVICTUSxa wrote: Midas Fool wrote: boba's fetta wrote: in eve hybrids are call's second weapon not there primary. missles are there primary. hybrids belong to the gall inculding the rails. i find the fact that the call fw store has rails to be annoying at best. really they belong in the gall store. On the ground? What, are we supposed to use RPGs? Besides, there are many railgun-specific Caldari ships. Rails are a secondary to the Caldari like Drones are a secondary to the Gallente. As in not really. If we had RPG's....I would go proto immediately. F*** forge guns aint nobody need dat shih when you got RPGs :D I think Dumbfire Missile Launchers would be more realistic. DAMN, if we could have those AV would be far easier--in stead of having ~~Stupid~~"Smart" Swarm Launchers that often time hit peaks or cliffs or rocks instead of the intended target. Dumbfire missiles or rockets can be calculated and aimed (given the range is decent) to hit target just when a tank passes into the intended area. We had dumb fire swarms once. Most rtardedly OP thing I can bring to mind about this games history. Huge damage, large splash, infinite range. I miss it so much. Tear. Enjoys EVE, Still plays DUST, will play LEGION. stfu already.
aaaasdff ertgfdd Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 21	Posted - 2014.06.24 20:35:00 - [28] - Quote JARREL THOMAS wrote: according to New Eden standards Gallente and Caldari share Hybrid weapons so why do our bonuses only apply to 1 and why are they crap. My bad but I hate that bonus why do we have that we are long range that give out alot of damage so they give us not range not damage not even mag bonus but........reload -_- And then the Gallente bonus just makes it worse dispersion would make it harder to aim in medium and short range. There are 2 types of hybrid, there is hybrid plasma, and hybrid rail. Its not just hybrid. Also as someone that has the reload bonus maxed for both the rail and mag sec I can tell you that skill has saved me many many times. Having a 50% faster reload than the other guy is all the diffrence in the world.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11117	Posted - 2014.06.24 21:24:00 - [29] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: B-But gallente can go super fast. In some instances even faster than Minmatar(looking at you GalHeavy) I thought you used armor as a way to counter Minmatar or Guristas, but speed was used to counter Caldari/Amarr and any other long ranged clans. Amarr can go faster. My Slicer racing your Comet. " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III


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