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Delta 749
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Posted - 2014.06.24 20:11:00 -
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This thread is just baffling in how it goes against common sense |
Delta 749
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Posted - 2014.06.24 20:24:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:True Adamance wrote:
So if I eyeballed a Javelin and hit and air target.......what would happen?
The javelin wouldn't fire. It requires a lock before the missile is released. And aircraft are too small and move too much for them to get one. Even if they did manage a lock, the missile is not near maneuverable enough nor fast enough to catch up. Even if the universe conspired against the pilot and made the missile hit, its made to break through thick tank armor. There's a chance the thin aluminum that aircraft use wouldn't be hard enough to set the charge off. Okay now THIS SPECIAL JAVELIN that does fire (AKA forgegun) hits a helicopter.
Theoretically a fire ball and twisted scrap, remember this is ordnance designed to bust tanks and aircraft are all generally far far less armored since they need to fly and heavy armor runs counter to that
Hell did you know a harrier jet isnt even bullet proof to small arms fire |
Delta 749
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Posted - 2014.06.24 20:58:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:Delta 749 wrote:True Adamance wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:True Adamance wrote:
So if I eyeballed a Javelin and hit and air target.......what would happen?
The javelin wouldn't fire. It requires a lock before the missile is released. And aircraft are too small and move too much for them to get one. Even if they did manage a lock, the missile is not near maneuverable enough nor fast enough to catch up. Even if the universe conspired against the pilot and made the missile hit, its made to break through thick tank armor. There's a chance the thin aluminum that aircraft use wouldn't be hard enough to set the charge off. Okay now THIS SPECIAL JAVELIN that does fire (AKA forgegun) hits a helicopter. Theoretically a fire ball and twisted scrap, remember this is ordnance designed to bust tanks and aircraft are all generally far far less armored since they need to fly and heavy armor runs counter to that Hell did you know a harrier jet isnt even bullet proof to small arms fire This is where you are wrong. It would either pass through the hull, or simply bounce off. I'm making up numbers to demonstrate a point. Let's say a javelin needs 5,000 units of force to set the charge off. Thats fine against heavy tank armor, but aircraft aluminum, which is much thinner, gives way at 1,000 units of force. Thus, the metal will give before the required amount of force can be applied to the charge to set it off, leading to the first situation I told True Adamance about. The second situation, which is more realistic, is because the missile doesn't have enough fuel and speed to pierce through much of anything, relying on the charge to do the piercing for it. If the charge is not detonated, the missile wouldn't have enough force to pierce the hull under its own power, and would thus bounce off, leaving a nasty dent.
Only hes talking in theory and asking what the charge of a javelin would do to an air craft so all your rambling about "it wouldnt go off because" is moot since it doesnt address what hes asking IE how much damage, theoretically, would an anti tank weapon do to an air craft which is significantly weaker |
Delta 749
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Posted - 2014.06.27 20:43:00 -
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Anyone else like how he flip flopped saying now drop ships should have less defense against swarms since the crowd turned against him |
Delta 749
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Posted - 2014.06.27 20:52:00 -
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Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Anyone else like how he flip flopped saying now drop ships should have less defense against swarms since the crowd turned against him GO read the OP. Stop, then read it again. Then explain to me, so I know you read it the difference between damage profiles and Defence and why they are so different when it comes to balance.
"If AV hits tanks and dropships for the same damage. Yet one can have vastly more HP than the other does this seem like a fair balance or not?"
First page, from you, saying things are unfair for drop ships because they take the same damage and the rest of the thread is you saying it needs to be fair
Only when people are overwhelmingly speaking against arbitrary bonuses to drop ships do you specify that you want DS defenses nerfed and say it was all just tweaking damage profiles and you didnt really want a buff in which case that was something that could have been clearly and easily specified in your OP rather than saying it after the fact which looks bad on you
Got caught with your hand in the cookie jar mate, you could at least man up to it and not try this mealy mouthed BS to worm your way back to public favor |
Delta 749
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Posted - 2014.06.27 21:19:00 -
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Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:Delta 749 wrote:First page, from you, saying things are unfair for drop ships because they take the same damage and the rest of the thread is you saying it needs to be fairr Nope. You still don't quite get it. Look at the op. I never mentioned dropship weakness in it at all. Then look at my next post where I offer more clarification. I did not mention that things were unfair for dropships. None of those words are there. I never flip flop either. My posts on the first page clearly outline my topic. The stuff you are talking about is from other people putting their words into my mouth. I actually say this " If swarms or Forges are balanced against tanks, then they are not against dropships. If they are fair against dropships then they are not against tanks." See how I do not favor tanks or dropships here. I am talking about total vehicle balance.
From the rest of OP
"So a forge or swarm does the same damage to a dropship as it does to a tank. So CCP. Explain how you feel that two vehicles that have vastly different effective Hit Points should take the same damage from AV?
I defies logic."
This combined with the rest of OP which you were so kind to quote clearly implies you think there is an imbalance and unfairness in the system because both vehicles receive the same amount of damage despite having different EHP totals
Of course this is all ignoring the fact that differing EHP totals means there is absolutely no need for damage resistances to be implemented at all to make DS more vulnerable as you later tried to say since by virtue of having a lower EHP they have a lower defense against these weapons which kills the argument that you tried to make later on in this thread leaving only you saying, essentially, I dont want to die as much and heres some convoluted reasoning to hide that fact
Hand, cookie jar, etc etc |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
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Posted - 2014.06.27 21:26:00 -
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See now try bowing out with less self righteous whining, people will respect you more |
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