DUST Search - Tanks and Dropships take the same damage. Explain CCP

Baal Omniscient wrote:

DUST Fiend wrote:

I wish I had never immersed myself in the EVE universe. I would have picked Python instead of Incubus as its hands down 100% the superior ship.

Flying Incubus now just feels like pain.

As I've said numerous times before, you're one of the few swarm launchers I've ever feared because you actually use tactics and teamwork. I'm just disheartened by the state of things and I'm just counting down the days till the Destiny beta at this point.

I'm just tired of this constant teeter totter that is DUST and I honestly just want off at this point. It's too much.

Also, I came to DUST for Drones and massive planets, both of which will never happen in DUST

I understand. If I had the IRL money I'd be on Destiny too when it hits.... unfortunately it's likely I'll be stuck in Dust until PS2 hits ps4.....

There's so much wasted potential here, and so much capacity for community among the players, even with such a simple chat system setup. That in my opinion was the biggest success of CCP, putting this chat window system into an FPS game. If it weren't for it, this game wouldn't have lasted half as long. The connections that grew between the playerbase because of it is what has kept most of us here as long as we have been.

And don't compliment me like that, you'll make me blush.... =( ^,_,^ )=


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DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14478	Posted - 2014.06.27 16:34:00 - [1] - Quote I don't really even bother flying now. A single ADV swarm is enough to kill me now if I so much as hover for a moment, it's silly. It's nice that they completely ruined large railguns, but I'm not putting 500K on the line so some idiot who can't aim can just spam missiles and take me out. I basically just don't play much at all anymore, handing balance over to the "community" was a questionable decision at best. Swarms have always needed help, but now they're just obnoxious. At least forge guns require you to aim and have an understanding of timings.
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14478	Posted - 2014.06.27 16:47:00 - [2] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Swarms haven't changed. You just take normal damage now. If you stick around you should die why is that a hard concept to grasp? Why is it a hard concept to grasp that a weapon that requires no aim shouldn't be incredibly effective? Should it be useful? Sure. Should a single ADV swarm neuter a dropship? Or anything? No. At least forge guns require skill to operate
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14478	Posted - 2014.06.27 17:05:00 - [3] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Difference is it only hurts vehicles and installations, so it should be as effective as it is. It would just be nice if they had to try, even just a little.
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14478	Posted - 2014.06.27 17:25:00 - [4] - Quote I'd love my second high slot back so I can have some variation in fit. Your heavy plate light rep build is nice for surviving that initial volley but your acceleration is crap even with an AB, and if you run into AV anywhere else on the field you're just going to die because your rep rate is way too low for that health pool. Hardeners are a liability now for the most part, and with heavy reps nerfed the one good Incubus build has essentially been neutered. I just don't fly right now. Assuming I actually play, I'll just wait till things even out a bit.
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14481	Posted - 2014.06.27 20:35:00 - [5] - Quote Vehicles don't stick around because they're dead if they do. You have to just make passes and gtfo or everyone and their grandma will blast you into nothing. The things you mention for swarm launchers generally apply to forge guns as well, though in some cases you can slug it out with infantry using a forge gun. It would be really nice if every actual AV weapon wasn't anti armor lol. It's just disheartening when a single ADV swarm launcher can punch straight through all your armor in no time flat because hardeners are a joke and even reps are pretty pointless now. I rarely ever hug the flight ceiling, and now you basically have to. There's no reason to act as troop transport in most cases in this game, as it's just a liability to you as a pilot, now more than ever. You can't sit still at all, so yet again, missiles rain supreme because you will never ever be able to use rails or blasters against infantry effectively, even with a proper first person cam. As if it wasn't bad enough trying to run side guns before with paper fits, now you're just begging to get shot down by anyone with 200k sp and 50k ISK. I'm really thankful for the ISK Baal and I'm not trying to bash on your craft, but after watching how fast my armor vanished to an ADV swarm, I have lost all desire to fly right now. Go Python or go home.
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14482	Posted - 2014.06.27 20:52:00 - [6] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Anyone else like how he flip flopped saying now drop ships should have less defense against swarms since the crowd turned against him GO read the OP. Stop, then read it again. Then explain to me, so I know you read it the difference between damage profiles and Defence and why they are so different when it comes to balance. You need to better explain your original post. I've AV is balanced around one vehicle vs another. How is it unbalanced? Your thread would go over with even some basic quantitative explanation of your post. It just sounds like you're whining that AV is OP against your ADS. Double the cost of HAVs with less HP. Seems everyones answer is fly around in circles with an AB the whole match.
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14484	Posted - 2014.06.27 21:57:00 - [7] - Quote I wish I had never immersed myself in the EVE universe. I would have picked Python instead of Incubus as its hands down 100% the superior ship. Flying Incubus now just feels like pain. As I've said numerous times before, you're one of the few swarm launchers I've ever feared because you actually use tactics and teamwork. I'm just disheartened by the state of things and I'm just counting down the days till the Destiny beta at this point. I'm just tired of this constant teeter totter that is DUST and I honestly just want off at this point. It's too much.
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14486	Posted - 2014.06.27 22:17:00 - [8] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I wish I had never immersed myself in the EVE universe. I would have picked Python instead of Incubus as its hands down 100% the superior ship. Flying Incubus now just feels like pain. As I've said numerous times before, you're one of the few swarm launchers I've ever feared because you actually use tactics and teamwork. I'm just disheartened by the state of things and I'm just counting down the days till the Destiny beta at this point. I'm just tired of this constant teeter totter that is DUST and I honestly just want off at this point. It's too much. Also, I came to DUST for Drones and massive planets, both of which will never happen in DUST I understand. If I had the IRL money I'd be on Destiny too when it hits.... unfortunately it's likely I'll be stuck in Dust until PS2 hits ps4..... There's so much wasted potential here, and so much capacity for community among the players, even with such a simple chat system setup. That in my opinion was the biggest success of CCP, putting this chat window system into an FPS game. If it weren't for it, this game wouldn't have lasted half as long. The connections that grew between the playerbase because of it is what has kept most of us here as long as we have been. And don't compliment me like that, you'll make me blush.... =( ^,_,^ )= You only need $5 to get into the Destiny Beta, assuming you have a PS4. I actually thought PS2 was already on PS4, maybe I'll check it out on PC after all. I'm just getting a little bitterness out before I wander away from the game and forums again. I used to be this wicked fan of CCP and would talk them up to everyone and now I can't even stomach the thought of CCP lately. They have entirely turned me away. There are just too many awesome, high quality games coming down the pipe for me to care anymore. NO MANS SKY HAVE MY BABIES!!!!
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14490	Posted - 2014.06.27 22:51:00 - [9] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: My disability payments just ended, so I'm jobless and pennyless. 5$ to me is like 20 packs of ramen, not a beta code. I have a ps4 I got with income taxes though, so ps2 is within my grasp. I shudder to think that Xbox might actually make a game I couldn't live without. Unless they come out with a Darksiders 3 or a Mercenaries 3 as an Xbox exclusive, there's no way I'd even entertain the idea. I'm very, VERY biased. I've been on the poor train the past 2 years so I understand completely. People look at you like you have 3 heads when you tell them you have no income, at all. Diplomacy was my income >_< Getting a ****** job and starting to pay down debts, just hoping my back holds out. Phantom Dust was basically one of the coolest, most original games I've ever played, and I definitely don't want to miss out on a new one. Hopefully it's still a year or so away so I have plenty of time lol.
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14499	Posted - 2014.06.28 13:58:00 - [10] - Quote Grimmiers wrote: Maybe standard dropships could get a resistance bonus. I suggested dropships taking less damage from rail rounds, but with added impulse so it's still good on an incubus. Railguns have been neutered. Right now my only complaint is how obnoxious swarms are vs Armor at the moment. Every damn thing does bonus damage to armor except plasma cannon, which isn't exactly a good anti dropship weapon, especially considering it's good vs the ship with the lower profile, higher speed, and better maneuverability. A single ADV swarm is enough to completely deny my Incubus in most cases now. It's obnoxious.

DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14500	Posted - 2014.06.28 14:10:00 - [11] - Quote Atiim wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Grimmiers wrote: Maybe standard dropships could get a resistance bonus. I suggested dropships taking less damage from rail rounds, but with added impulse so it's still good on an incubus. Railguns have been neutered. Right now my only complaint is how obnoxious swarms are vs Armor at the moment. Every damn thing does bonus damage to armor except plasma cannon, which isn't exactly a good anti dropship weapon, especially considering it's good vs the ship with the lower profile, higher speed, and better maneuverability. A single ADV swarm is enough to completely deny my Incubus in most cases now. It's obnoxious. So if your having a problem with an explosive weapon being as effective as it's supposed to be against Armor, why not simply stop using armored vehicles? That's like someone using a Minmatar Assault saying Scrambler Rifles are overpowered. The complaint holds no merit, as they are intentionally designed to be extremely effective against that "tank" style, and are equally ineffective against the other. Yea, I'm not about to play for months on end to fly in a ship of the race that I despise, just so I can avoid a single weapon. I can't exactly just flip from one ship to the other. I'd rather the weapon were just a little less insanely good against armor. I'm just counting down the days till the Destiny beta, and then so many great games will be coming out that I won't have to worry about this clusterfuck anymore. In the meantime, I'll voice my opinion that an ADV auto aim weapon probably shouldn't completely deny a 500K difficult to operate efficiently vehicle.