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Baal Omniscient
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.06.27 20:24:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:Difference is it only hurts vehicles and installations, so it should be as effective as it is. It would just be nice if they had to try, even just a little.
Sorry buddy, but I DO try.
With an SMG I have to try to beat every Cal-Scout, Gal-Scout, heavy, RR roof camper, ScR cloaker, RE Minja and armor tanked assault that see's me firing my giant flare gun off into the air hoping to scare a vehicle off of my team because these days only 1 out of every 20 vehicles actually sticks around to fight, and that 1 is usually a triple hardened Gunloggi. 90% of my time spent in my AV fit is spent fighting off infantry so I can TRY to get a shot off before getting RE'd or cloak-shottied in the back.
If it was a straight up fight between a vehicle and 2 AV guys I might agree (or if the swarm had SOME form of anti-infantry use I might agree) but it never is unless the ADS's team is just plain terrible.
The swarm is a tactical AV weapon, requiring you to position yourself in a "safe" place and be smart about when and where and in what direction you fire. You have to be good enough to survive against infantry with only a sidearm and be especially careful (or lucky enough) not to get surrounded by or to turn the corner on a group of enemies, meaning you have to have GREAT situational awareness to do really well.
In the sky you have to worry about vehicle turrets, forge guns, swarms and the occasional PLC hotshot. On the ground, the swarmer has to worry about all of that PLUS every other weapon in the game, including campers using the same AV that's hitting you in the air, without a main weapon to fight back with.
PSN ID: AlbelNox2569
Cross Atu for CPM1
Winmatar Assault & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0
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Baal Omniscient
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
1844
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Posted - 2014.06.27 21:51:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Vehicles don't stick around because they're dead if they do. You have to just make passes and gtfo or everyone and their grandma will blast you into nothing. The things you mention for swarm launchers generally apply to forge guns as well, though in some cases you can slug it out with infantry using a forge gun.
It would be really nice if every actual AV weapon wasn't anti armor lol. It's just disheartening when a single ADV swarm launcher can punch straight through all your armor in no time flat because hardeners are a joke and even reps are pretty pointless now. I rarely ever hug the flight ceiling, and now you basically have to.
There's no reason to act as troop transport in most cases in this game, as it's just a liability to you as a pilot, now more than ever. You can't sit still at all, so yet again, missiles rain supreme because you will never ever be able to use rails or blasters against infantry effectively, even with a proper first person cam. As if it wasn't bad enough trying to run side guns before with paper fits, now you're just begging to get shot down by anyone with 200k sp and 50k ISK.
I'm really thankful for the ISK Baal and I'm not trying to bash on your craft, but after watching how fast my armor vanished to an ADV swarm, I have lost all desire to fly right now.
Go Python or go home.
I completely understand where you are coming from with this, as I've been toying with ADS's myself using only basic modules and next to no core skills. I try my best to not bash ADS pilots (I've failed a few times recently due to a couple of them being overly arrogant and snooty, but i digress) as there is a lot of frustration for us to be had on the ground as well.
Here's a story about life on the ground:You are engaging the enemy with your squad. It's a drag out fight, the enemy keeps spawning back faster than you can kill them off but you are holding your ground and keeping them pinned inside the letter.... and here comes an ADS blasting your squad to pieces from behind. You regroup with a couple of you pulling AV on a letter nearby ready to hit that letter as fast as you can, and in comes said enemy squad to the letter you just regrouped on ready for revenge, only now you have 2 guys with only sidearms. After some back-and-forth fighting to hold the point and the squad softens you up..... here comes the ADS again.... enemy squad takes the letter before you can all spawn back. So your whole squad pulls out AV in the ground spawn, hops in LAV's to go take out that ADS, and the forge camping a roof takes out one of your convoy and a tank pulls up to your other car as it gets into cover from the forge. The swarmers get 2 volley's off a piece, the forger stands too close to the LAV while charging and gets blown up with the car when the tank kills it, then the tank takes off. The swarmers attempt to chase the tank down... and then missiles start raining from the sky again....
Here's a story about life in the air, in the same battle: You see a group of blues having trouble with an enemy squad that is pushing in on their position, so you fly low and start pounding them with missiles, getting a kill and a couple of assists. As soon as the last red dies you are rocked hard to the side as a forge gunner on the roof next to you that hadn't rendered until just then charges another shot. You take off right as you hear swarms fire behind you. You activate your afterburner and make for the flight ceiling... right as the forge hits you again. It rocks your ship hrd to the side again, slowing it just enough that the swarms catch you and brush off what armor you had remaining. So you go pick up a forge gunner from your squad and set him on a HIGHER roof and he forge guns the other forger off of the other roof. Hooray, freedom! You see a scuffle around a letter below and drop down to give some cover fire, scoring a couple more assists and a few equipment kills. Suddenly, a large rail turret that no one blew up starts auto firing on you, tagging you twice before you can react and hit your afterburner. You tell your tanker squadmate about it as you hover at the flight ceiling recovering your HP. He rolls out and blows up the turret, only seconds later to request help with a bunch of AV chasing him down....
The life of ADS pilots and swarmers is pretty much the same. We could both choose to just run on the ground as infantry, but the playstyle we WANT is not here. As I said in another thread, this games needs either AI or capsuleer controlled drones of various sizes attacking the infantry on both sides. THIS would breathe life into the game as well as give vehicles and AV players something to do other than the same boring crap we do now (shoot at eachother). AV players AND vehicles could fight drones as well as each other, and bring some real utility to tanks, dropships and AV players in this low match-size game.
Swarms and ADS currently: "I can grab a few points here and there, loose a crapton of ISK, MAYBE end up top 10, and be frustrated all match long unless the enemy completely sucks because I'm pretty much useless to my team."
And after (Ik, not gonna happen...) Drones:"I'm fighting to keep the drones off of our infantry and to keep the enemy's vehicles and AV from killing drones near THEIR players. I have purpose!"
PSN ID: AlbelNox2569
Cross Atu for CPM1
Winmatar Assault & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0
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Baal Omniscient
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
1845
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Posted - 2014.06.27 22:08:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:I wish I had never immersed myself in the EVE universe. I would have picked Python instead of Incubus as its hands down 100% the superior ship.
Flying Incubus now just feels like pain.
As I've said numerous times before, you're one of the few swarm launchers I've ever feared because you actually use tactics and teamwork. I'm just disheartened by the state of things and I'm just counting down the days till the Destiny beta at this point.
I'm just tired of this constant teeter totter that is DUST and I honestly just want off at this point. It's too much.
Also, I came to DUST for Drones and massive planets, both of which will never happen in DUST
I understand. If I had the IRL money I'd be on Destiny too when it hits.... unfortunately it's likely I'll be stuck in Dust until PS2 hits ps4.....
There's so much wasted potential here, and so much capacity for community among the players, even with such a simple chat system setup. That in my opinion was the biggest success of CCP, putting this chat window system into an FPS game. If it weren't for it, this game wouldn't have lasted half as long. The connections that grew between the playerbase because of it is what has kept most of us here as long as we have been.
And don't compliment me like that, you'll make me blush.... =( ^,_,^ )=
PSN ID: AlbelNox2569
Cross Atu for CPM1
Winmatar Assault & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0
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Baal Omniscient
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
1845
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Posted - 2014.06.27 22:42:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:I wish I had never immersed myself in the EVE universe. I would have picked Python instead of Incubus as its hands down 100% the superior ship.
Flying Incubus now just feels like pain.
As I've said numerous times before, you're one of the few swarm launchers I've ever feared because you actually use tactics and teamwork. I'm just disheartened by the state of things and I'm just counting down the days till the Destiny beta at this point.
I'm just tired of this constant teeter totter that is DUST and I honestly just want off at this point. It's too much.
Also, I came to DUST for Drones and massive planets, both of which will never happen in DUST I understand. If I had the IRL money I'd be on Destiny too when it hits.... unfortunately it's likely I'll be stuck in Dust until PS2 hits ps4..... There's so much wasted potential here, and so much capacity for community among the players, even with such a simple chat system setup. That in my opinion was the biggest success of CCP, putting this chat window system into an FPS game. If it weren't for it, this game wouldn't have lasted half as long. The connections that grew between the playerbase because of it is what has kept most of us here as long as we have been. And don't compliment me like that, you'll make me blush.... =( ^,_,^ )= You only need $5 to get into the Destiny Beta, assuming you have a PS4. I actually thought PS2 was already on PS4, maybe I'll check it out on PC after all. I'm just getting a little bitterness out before I wander away from the game and forums again. I used to be this wicked fan of CCP and would talk them up to everyone and now I can't even stomach the thought of CCP lately. They have entirely turned me away. There are just too many awesome, high quality games coming down the pipe for me to care anymore.
NO MANS SKY HAVE MY BABIES!!!!Oh, and I have to buy an Xbox One for one game, which upsets me.....Phantom Dust is coming back....other than Morrowind, that was probably the best Xbox game I ever played, and it was $20 brand new. I am so god damn pumped for that game.
My disability payments just ended, so I'm jobless and pennyless. 5$ to me is like 20 packs of ramen, not a beta code.  I have a ps4 I got with income taxes though, so ps2 is within my grasp.
I shudder to think that Xbox might actually make a game I couldn't live without. Unless they come out with a Darksiders 3 or a Mercenaries 3 as an Xbox exclusive, there's no way I'd even entertain the idea. I'm very, VERY biased. 
PSN ID: AlbelNox2569
Cross Atu for CPM1
Winmatar Assault & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0
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