DUST Search - Killstreak WP

Boot Booter wrote:

Rizlax Yazzax wrote:

Boot Booter wrote:

Rizlax Yazzax wrote:

It's late. I'm drunk. So instead of my usual, calm, rational posts I offer you this.......

Go back to CoD. This is a team game, not "EHHRRGH MURRHH GUUURRRD, luk how much I gnk! I am t3h bestest!"

The last time I played CoD was like 6 years ago. I really hate when people use this reference as if it caries any weight. I've been playing dust since open beta. It's a team game that doesn't reward being a slayer.

Glad to see so many people are willing to discuss this in a mature way (glad to hear you are enjoying your night at least). Are the points I suggest really that game breaking? No. You probably just want to keep your easy ISK making from your rep tool. Its ok I understand.

Now that I'm sober and incredibly hung over, I honestly couldn't care less if they introduced kill streak bonuses. You say slayers should be rewarded for being slayers, how would you propose scouts are rewarded for being scouts? As mentioned by yourself, Logis get their rewards.

Speaking of which, rep tool easy WP yes. Easy ISK no. Logis are prime targets in a battle and since I do more than leash a heavy all match, with minimal/no tank, It's incredibly easy for me to go ISK negative. I earn my WP by doing my job and keeping the team going, even if I have to die doing so.

Well I'm not entirely sure as I rarely use scouts. Good scouts could certainly benefit from killstreak WP. Also I think scouts are the best hackers and rewarded quite nicely for doing that. What would you suggest to reward being a good scout in terms of WP? Are scouts struggling to make WP?

As for the rep tool thing, I personally make a ton of money being a logi. It's really not much more expensive than my assault and far less risky, but that's just me.

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Boot Booter Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 597	Posted - 2014.06.23 19:28:00 - [1] - Quote This game would be much more fun and rewarding to assaults / slayers with killstreak WP. 3 kills in a row = 10 WP 5 kills in a row = 50 WP 10 kills in a row = 200 WP 20 kills in a row = 500 WP Just throwing numbers out there. Thoughts? SMG Specialist
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 111	Posted - 2014.06.23 19:38:00 - [2] - Quote no because it coudl cause even more orbitals and feeing of WP to call even more orbitals.. and keep your killstreaks in COD Minmatar Logibro in training. Rusty needles anyone? No Mic and no time for "Squeekers" Nerf scout cloak+shotgun
Boot Booter Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 597	Posted - 2014.06.23 19:46:00 - [3] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: no because it coudl cause even more orbitals and feeing of WP to call even more orbitals.. and keep your killstreaks in COD So increase the amount of WP needed for orbital or not make orbitals count towards the killstreak. Two obvious solutions. SMG Specialist
Malkai Inos Any Given Day 1433	Posted - 2014.06.23 22:10:00 - [4] - Quote No. WPs are designed to reward tactically valuable actions/behavior thus promote team and role focused play. Killstreaks have no inherent tactical value on the battlefield. Killing five people should be and is rewarded on a per-kill basis. Whether or not you just so happen to get yourself gibbed in the process is irrelevant to the killing itself. Dying is already discouraged through its impact on your k/d, ISK loss and the resulting team clone loss on top of being inherently undesirable for its tactical impact. You shouldn't reward something just because it's harder to do when it makes literally no practical difference. I'd actually remove the head-shot bonus and replace it with a clone termination one for the very same reason. But that's me... You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Harpyja Legio DXIV 1919	Posted - 2014.06.23 23:43:00 - [5] - Quote I think instead of "killstreaks," better WP rewards would be as follows (numbers used just for the suggestion): Double kill: +10 WP Triple kill: +30 WP Multi kill: +50 WP Multi kill is for four or more people. Kills must be achieved, say, within one second of each other. This way, the reward gets capped at +50 WP and orbitals can't achieve more than 50 WP extra on top of kills. Basically, an orbital can only give you a bonus of 50 whereas with "killstreaks" it can push the bonus much higher. "By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32 -- "Scouts should fart repeatedly while cloaked"- TechMechMeds
Benjamin Ciscko The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance 2361	Posted - 2014.06.24 00:49:00 - [6] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: This game would be much more fun and rewarding to assaults / slayers with killstreak WP. 3 kills in a row = 10 WP 5 kills in a row = 50 WP 10 kills in a row = 200 WP 20 kills in a row = 500 WP Just throwing numbers out there. Thoughts? Really I'm thinking more Sniper ADS Tank. Tanker/Logi
Boot Booter Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 599	Posted - 2014.06.24 19:11:00 - [7] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: No. WPs are designed to reward tactically valuable actions/behavior thus promote team and role focused play. Killstreaks have no inherent tactical value on the battlefield. Killing five people should be and is rewarded on a per-kill basis. Whether or not you just so happen to get yourself gibbed in the process is irrelevant to the killing itself. Dying is already discouraged through its impact on your k/d, ISK loss and the resulting team clone loss on top of being inherently undesirable for its tactical impact. You shouldn't reward something just because it's harder to do when it makes literally no practical difference. I'd actually remove the head-shot bonus and replace it with a clone termination one for the very same reason. But that's me... Edit: TL;DR: "Do you want try-hards? 'Cause that's how you get try-hards." - S. Malory Archer Why is everyone so against this? My role is killing the enemy. That's what I do. Sure I could strap up in my logi suit and easily get over 3000 WP in a match but when I'm in my assault suit and I go 25/0, struggling to get 1500 WP, this is what you call fair? I'm pretty sure single handedly eliminating 1/6 of the enemy clones is far better than following around a fatty with a rep tool. Killstreak WP help solve this problem and ******* news flash it does have tactical value. You think the red who was just slaughtered 5 times in a row is going to push as hard towards objectives? What about all the time I've given my team on "man up" opportunities while reds are respawning. I don't want to say logis get too much WP because I know I'll get hated on and, honestly, I think they deserve it when they have a good game. However, I am tired of ending up below squads of heavies and logis when I absolutely crush enemy clone counts game after game. Killstreak WP allow slayers to be properly rewarded for their efforts. Tl;dr You don't know what you're talking about. Killing is a role on the battlefield. Killstreak WP not only properly rewards the slayer role but also adds fun for everyone. Don't pull BS try hard lines at me, the game is about two things, eliminating the enemy mcc or clones. SMG Specialist
Alpha 443-6732 BurgezzE.T.F 528	Posted - 2014.06.24 19:12:00 - [8] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: This game would be much more fun and rewarding to assaults / slayers with killstreak WP. 3 kills in a row = 10 WP 5 kills in a row = 50 WP 10 kills in a row = 200 WP 20 kills in a row = 500 WP Just throwing numbers out there. Thoughts? I think killing the person and therefore removing him from as a threat is enough of a reward in itself.
Rizlax Yazzax Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 352	Posted - 2014.06.24 23:31:00 - [9] - Quote It's late. I'm drunk. So instead of my usual, calm, rational posts I offer you this....... Go back to CoD. This is a team game, not "EHHRRGH MURRHH GUUURRRD, luk how much I gnk! I am t3h bestest!"
Kalante Schiffer FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP.--FAP. 618	Posted - 2014.06.25 00:00:00 - [10] - Quote I always thought of implementing ribbons to reward ppl's actions... and other people can see your accomplishments in the game and see what you are good at. Like in mag people with over 2000 reaper ribbons they would be considered a really damn good slayer. Gä¦ember oGä¦ the Gä¢oyal -óuard G£ú

Boot Booter Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 599	Posted - 2014.06.25 02:51:00 - [11] - Quote Rizlax Yazzax wrote: It's late. I'm drunk. So instead of my usual, calm, rational posts I offer you this....... Go back to CoD. This is a team game, not "EHHRRGH MURRHH GUUURRRD, luk how much I gnk! I am t3h bestest!" The last time I played CoD was like 6 years ago. I really hate when people use this reference as if it caries any weight. I've been playing dust since open beta. It's a team game that doesn't reward being a slayer. Glad to see so many people are willing to discuss this in a mature way (glad to hear you are enjoying your night at least). Are the points I suggest really that game breaking? No. You probably just want to keep your easy ISK making from your rep tool. Its ok I understand. SMG Specialist
OP FOTM Commando Perkone Caldari State 11	Posted - 2014.06.25 06:12:00 - [12] - Quote let's give nyain san a couple trillion more isk while we're at it
Boot Booter Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 599	Posted - 2014.06.25 06:42:00 - [13] - Quote OP FOTM wrote: let's give nyain san a couple trillion more isk while we're at it It's hard to take you seriously with a name like that but I'll try. First of all, the points I suggest hardly equal a couple trillion isk. You can still make far more with a rep tool (assuming nyain san makes isk off of pubs lol) Second who the **** cares, it's not like they're going to run out unless ccp adds WP for killsteaks. Seriously no one has made a single good argument just throwing around words like no, cod, and try hard doesn't cut it. If you're not going to be constructive then GTFO. SMG Specialist
Rizlax Yazzax Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 353	Posted - 2014.06.25 09:09:00 - [14] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: Rizlax Yazzax wrote: It's late. I'm drunk. So instead of my usual, calm, rational posts I offer you this....... Go back to CoD. This is a team game, not "EHHRRGH MURRHH GUUURRRD, luk how much I gnk! I am t3h bestest!" The last time I played CoD was like 6 years ago. I really hate when people use this reference as if it caries any weight. I've been playing dust since open beta. It's a team game that doesn't reward being a slayer. Glad to see so many people are willing to discuss this in a mature way (glad to hear you are enjoying your night at least). Are the points I suggest really that game breaking? No. You probably just want to keep your easy ISK making from your rep tool. Its ok I understand. Now that I'm sober and incredibly hung over, I honestly couldn't care less if they introduced kill streak bonuses. You say slayers should be rewarded for being slayers, how would you propose scouts are rewarded for being scouts? As mentioned by yourself, Logis get their rewards. Speaking of which, rep tool easy WP yes. Easy ISK no. Logis are prime targets in a battle and since I do more than leash a heavy all match, with minimal/no tank, It's incredibly easy for me to go ISK negative. I earn my WP by doing my job and keeping the team going, even if I have to die doing so.
Boot Booter Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 599	Posted - 2014.06.25 14:32:00 - [15] - Quote Rizlax Yazzax wrote: Boot Booter wrote: Rizlax Yazzax wrote: It's late. I'm drunk. So instead of my usual, calm, rational posts I offer you this....... Go back to CoD. This is a team game, not "EHHRRGH MURRHH GUUURRRD, luk how much I gnk! I am t3h bestest!" The last time I played CoD was like 6 years ago. I really hate when people use this reference as if it caries any weight. I've been playing dust since open beta. It's a team game that doesn't reward being a slayer. Glad to see so many people are willing to discuss this in a mature way (glad to hear you are enjoying your night at least). Are the points I suggest really that game breaking? No. You probably just want to keep your easy ISK making from your rep tool. Its ok I understand. Now that I'm sober and incredibly hung over, I honestly couldn't care less if they introduced kill streak bonuses. You say slayers should be rewarded for being slayers, how would you propose scouts are rewarded for being scouts? As mentioned by yourself, Logis get their rewards. Speaking of which, rep tool easy WP yes. Easy ISK no. Logis are prime targets in a battle and since I do more than leash a heavy all match, with minimal/no tank, It's incredibly easy for me to go ISK negative. I earn my WP by doing my job and keeping the team going, even if I have to die doing so. Well I'm not entirely sure as I rarely use scouts. Good scouts could certainly benefit from killstreak WP. Also I think scouts are the best hackers and rewarded quite nicely for doing that. What would you suggest to reward being a good scout in terms of WP? Are scouts struggling to make WP? As for the rep tool thing, I personally make a ton of money being a logi. It's really not much more expensive than my assault and far less risky, but that's just me. SMG Specialist
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command 620	Posted - 2014.06.25 14:38:00 - [16] - Quote A different proposal: Extra WP when killing high threat targets. For each kill your victim had made since having been revived or spawning you get an extra +3 WP.
Rizlax Yazzax Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 354	Posted - 2014.06.25 22:56:00 - [17] - Quote My phone sucks and it's too awkward to edit quotes, don't want a pyramid starting. I think the main reason I make little profit (for the most part) when I Logi, is because I absolutely love getting in the thick of it. I'll use myself as cannon fodder while I rep/res someone. Or suicide run into a group of reds to get a rep-hive down for a heavy. Different styles of play I guess. Anyway. I suppose as you say, scouts are rewarded by (from?) the ability to hack more than other suits while being effective slayers. Especially with their unsurpassed ability to use REs as grenades (a tactic I have no issue with). Heavies are pure slayer and can already get hefty WP. Nothing an assault couldn't achieve, if they were in a good state. As for the streak itself, it would be nice to see more even numbers on the scoreboard. Rarely do I see the more than the top 4/5 places with more than 1000WP. Not only would it encourage slayer builds it would make people happy to do so. Knowing they don't have to farm WP to keep up with the trend, instead placing high for their contribution and reaping rewards. Numbers would be up for discussion, but I don't really play slayer much anymore so couldn't comment.
Kurai-Ronin Very Dangerous F'kn People 9	Posted - 2014.06.26 19:54:00 - [18] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: This game would be much more fun and rewarding to assaults / slayers with killstreak WP. 3 kills in a row = 10 WP 5 kills in a row = 50 WP 10 kills in a row = 200 WP 20 kills in a row = 500 WP Edit: Orbital kills do not count towards killstreaks. Just throwing numbers out there. Thoughts? If you want this then remove Orbital its OP
Rizlax Yazzax Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 354	Posted - 2014.06.26 20:49:00 - [19] - Quote Kurai-Ronin wrote: Boot Booter wrote: This game would be much more fun and rewarding to assaults / slayers with killstreak WP. 3 kills in a row = 10 WP 5 kills in a row = 50 WP 10 kills in a row = 200 WP 20 kills in a row = 500 WP Edit: Orbital kills do not count towards killstreaks. Just throwing numbers out there. Thoughts? If you want this then remove Orbital its OP Holy ****! So now orbitals are OP? Thought the QQ couldn't get any worse. Orbitals aren't OP, the ability to earn them so easily is. But that isn't what this thread is about.
Kurai-Ronin Very Dangerous F'kn People 9	Posted - 2014.06.26 20:59:00 - [20] - Quote Rizlax Yazzax wrote: Kurai-Ronin wrote: Boot Booter wrote: This game would be much more fun and rewarding to assaults / slayers with killstreak WP. 3 kills in a row = 10 WP 5 kills in a row = 50 WP 10 kills in a row = 200 WP 20 kills in a row = 500 WP Edit: Orbital kills do not count towards killstreaks. Just throwing numbers out there. Thoughts? If you want this then remove Orbital its OP Holy ****! So now orbitals are OP? Thought the QQ couldn't get any worse. Orbitals aren't OP, the ability to earn them so easily is. But that isn't what this thread is about. They're OP cuz they have high area effect and they are one hit kill

Rizlax Yazzax Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 354	Posted - 2014.06.26 21:40:00 - [21] - Quote Erm.....that's the whole point of orbitals. Stick to the topic or go and make a new thread, see how fast you get shot down.
Boot Booter Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 623	Posted - 2014.06.26 22:17:00 - [22] - Quote Kurai-Ronin wrote: Boot Booter wrote: This game would be much more fun and rewarding to assaults / slayers with killstreak WP. 3 kills in a row = 10 WP 5 kills in a row = 50 WP 10 kills in a row = 200 WP 20 kills in a row = 500 WP Edit: Orbital kills do not count towards killstreaks. Just throwing numbers out there. Thoughts? If you want this then remove Orbital its OP This has nothing to do with orbitals. SMG Specialist
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11243	Posted - 2014.06.26 22:50:00 - [23] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: Kurai-Ronin wrote: Boot Booter wrote: This game would be much more fun and rewarding to assaults / slayers with killstreak WP. 3 kills in a row = 10 WP 5 kills in a row = 50 WP 10 kills in a row = 200 WP 20 kills in a row = 500 WP Edit: Orbital kills do not count towards killstreaks. Just throwing numbers out there. Thoughts? If you want this then remove Orbital its OP This has nothing to do with orbitals. Why do you want to be rewarded more for doing your job? " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
Boot Booter Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 625	Posted - 2014.06.27 14:55:00 - [24] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Boot Booter wrote: Kurai-Ronin wrote: Boot Booter wrote: This game would be much more fun and rewarding to assaults / slayers with killstreak WP. 3 kills in a row = 10 WP 5 kills in a row = 50 WP 10 kills in a row = 200 WP 20 kills in a row = 500 WP Edit: Orbital kills do not count towards killstreaks. Just throwing numbers out there. Thoughts? If you want this then remove Orbital its OP This has nothing to do with orbitals. Why do you want to be rewarded more for doing your job? I want to be properly payed for doing the hardest job. SMG Specialist
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 995	Posted - 2014.06.27 15:06:00 - [25] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: Rizlax Yazzax wrote: Boot Booter wrote: Rizlax Yazzax wrote: It's late. I'm drunk. So instead of my usual, calm, rational posts I offer you this....... Go back to CoD. This is a team game, not "EHHRRGH MURRHH GUUURRRD, luk how much I gnk! I am t3h bestest!" The last time I played CoD was like 6 years ago. I really hate when people use this reference as if it caries any weight. I've been playing dust since open beta. It's a team game that doesn't reward being a slayer. Glad to see so many people are willing to discuss this in a mature way (glad to hear you are enjoying your night at least). Are the points I suggest really that game breaking? No. You probably just want to keep your easy ISK making from your rep tool. Its ok I understand. Now that I'm sober and incredibly hung over, I honestly couldn't care less if they introduced kill streak bonuses. You say slayers should be rewarded for being slayers, how would you propose scouts are rewarded for being scouts? As mentioned by yourself, Logis get their rewards. Speaking of which, rep tool easy WP yes. Easy ISK no. Logis are prime targets in a battle and since I do more than leash a heavy all match, with minimal/no tank, It's incredibly easy for me to go ISK negative. I earn my WP by doing my job and keeping the team going, even if I have to die doing so. Well I'm not entirely sure as I rarely use scouts. Good scouts could certainly benefit from killstreak WP. Also I think scouts are the best hackers and rewarded quite nicely for doing that. What would you suggest to reward being a good scout in terms of WP? Are scouts struggling to make WP? As for the rep tool thing, I personally make a ton of money being a logi. It's really not much more expensive than my assault and far less risky, but that's just me. Scouts aren't the best hackers (may be apart from the minni one) and they get exactly the same reward for hacking than assaults or heavies So I really see your argument here. What I would like to see instead of kill streaks is simply a reward for killing people while attacking or defending objectives. That way you really contribute to the team. BTW most games get won by MCC destruction so by pure brainless killing you normally don't do much for your team so I don't see the point rewarding this...
Boot Booter Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 625	Posted - 2014.06.27 16:13:00 - [26] - Quote @korvin It wasn't really an argument. Just wondering how scouts should be rewarded for doing their job. Why do people assume killing is mindless. It is by far the most difficult job and it removes an enemy player for at least 10 or so seconds, allowing for friendly units to move in. I just assume when people say that it means they aren't good enough to do it or they're a logi. Most close fights are won by clone reserves or as a direct result of clone reserves (low on clones, can't push objectives). Stomps are won by mcc. Depends on the map really. But no you're right, killing is worthless for your team. In fact, let's just put away all our guns and playing a hacking game instead. Point for defending and attacking objectives is interesting but not all fights happen near objectives. Sometimes the best fights happen near supply depots or CRUs. Not to mention this is just handing more WP to the heavy logi combo. All I'm saying is going 25/0 should equal more WP than 1250. Especially when I can get 3000+ per match with a rep tool. SMG Specialist


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