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Thumb Green
The Valyrian Guard
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Posted - 2014.06.23 02:21:00 -
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Takahashi Kashuken wrote:You realize infantry pushed and pushed and pushed for all these changes to vehicles
It always amazes me how asinine the things you say can be Taka; seriously what deranged world are you living in?
Can't say I'm all that surprised.
I've been drinking and may be drunk.... probably like most dust players.
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Thumb Green
The Valyrian Guard
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Posted - 2014.06.23 02:36:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Thumb Green wrote:Takahashi Kashuken wrote:You realize infantry pushed and pushed and pushed for all these changes to vehicles It always amazes me how asinine the things you say can be Taka; seriously what deranged world are you living in? it really was a combination of HAV operators wanting to not be as squishy against pre 1.6 AV (and undeniably they sure as **** were) and AV adamant arguments that their Armour clad counter parts needed drastic alterations of increased durability was given. The result mixed with CCP's changes, made with good intentions, saw the power gap wider in favour of HAV....and the horrific age of Armour we have just experienced.
No it really wasn't. There were a few AV'er saying vehicles needed to be tougher but it was overwhelmingly vehicle users that were demanding changes. Infantry sure as hell didn't ask for vehicles to be buffed into demigod mode while at the same time nerfing AV to near uselessness. Infantry didn't ask for the only effective AV against basic vehicles to be proto AV or for the rail turret to be nerfed at all either. Vehicles are how they are now because of vehicle users.
Can't say I'm all that surprised.
I've been drinking and may be drunk.... probably like most dust players.
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Thumb Green
The Valyrian Guard
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Posted - 2014.06.23 07:02:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:
That is actually a mostly false statement.
No it isn't and nothing you said shows that it is because you are talking about how tanks were while I was talking about how vehicles are.
Void Echo wrote:
Tankers were here on the forums trying to get back their survivability, we NEVER, NEVER said or hinted that we wanted Tanking to be a Godlike class (at least not those of us that the community actually listened to seriously).
Perhaps, but the community weren't the ones in charge of making the game.
Can't say I'm all that surprised.
I've been drinking and may be drunk.... probably like most dust players.
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Thumb Green
The Valyrian Guard
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Posted - 2014.06.23 18:27:00 -
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Actually I said vehicle users, not just tankers and in fact this is my 1st post to use the word 'tankers' in this thread. Also my posts have been to counter Taka's assertion that "infantry pushed and pushed and pushed for all these changes to vehicles" because that one actually is false. Now I'm not saying infantry isn't to blame for making vehicle users angry enough demand some of the changes (buffing vehicles and useless AV at the same time) however that's a completely different discussion. What I'm saying is infantry didn't push for vehicles to be how they are now and they sure as hell didn't ask for the rail turret to be nerfed because that would be shooting themselves in the foot with the rail having been the most effective AV for a long time.
Can't say I'm all that surprised.
I've been drinking and may be drunk.... probably like most dust players.
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Thumb Green
The Valyrian Guard
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Posted - 2014.06.23 22:21:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:I think what you have to realise Atiim is yes vehicle pilots called for buffs....... this iteration of HAV is not what we were expecting and, in hindsight, not what we wanted.
We just wanted tanks to be more durable...... perhaps that could have be achieved by keeping takes as they were and reintroducing marauders.
It is correct to identify those who called for the buffs, yet not fair to blame them for what they could not percieve....I mean no one could have predicted Wolfman's changes, nor the huge imbalances in their wake.
There were a lot of people calling for buffs to vehicles while at the same time calling for nerfs to AV; then there were a handful of people that got a lot of likes saying AV shouldn't even be able to kill a tank that it should only be at most a nuisance or that swarm launchers should only be able to kill LAV's & DS's and do no damage at all to HAV's because the SL is a "light" weapon. How them couldn't predict that would cause massive imbalance is beyond me.
Can't say I'm all that surprised.
I've been drinking and may be drunk.... probably like most dust players.
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