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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.06.23 16:19:00 -
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@Void Echo
Is it really? Let's break down his post shall we?
Thumb Green wrote:No it really wasn't. There were a few AV'er saying vehicles needed to be tougher but it was overwhelmingly vehicle users that were demanding changes.
This is true, as the vast majority of the players calling for buffs to HAVs and A/DSs were indeed vehicle pilots.
Thumb Green wrote:Infantry sure as hell didn't ask for vehicles to be buffed into demigod mode while at the same time nerfing AV to near uselessness.
This is also true. The vast majority (if not all) of Infantry & AV users didn't ask for vehicles to become overpowered, and even exclaimed with disapproval at the changes.
Thumb Green wrote:Infantry didn't ask for the only effective AV against basic vehicles to be proto AV or for the rail turret to be nerfed at all either.
This is indeed true. There wasn't a single player who primarily uses Infantry and/or AV who asked for AV to only be effective at the PRO tier, and while there were Infantry & AVers who openly stated that the 80GJ Railguns were overpowered, the vast majority of players calling for it's nerf were vehicle pilots
Thumb Green wrote:Vehicles are how they are now because of vehicle users.
This is also true in the sense that vehicle pilots were primarily the one who called for changes to the V/AV environment.
Try again?
I want SLAVs, not SLAVEs.
"Many things in life are subjective, morality is one of them..."
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.06.23 18:45:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:
the falsehood of his statement of which im referring to is that his statement is blaming tankers for the entirety of the situation at hand and hes not putting the blame on anyone else but tankers.
not to mention that he gave false statements. (Bolded statements are the ones that are false because tankers didnt advocate for them either).
While you may not agree with the statement, his assignment of guilt has nothing to do with the fact that each statement he made was indeed factual, and could be supported with evidence; which is the perquisites of a statement being "True".
Void Echo wrote: If you remember any of us advocating for that, it was probably spkr or takashiro (whatever the **** his name is).
I remember the vast majority of pilots (yourself included) advocating for changes so that you could win everytime against an AVer, so in a way yes you did indeed advocate these changes.
I want SLAVs, not SLAVEs.
"Many things in life are subjective, morality is one of them..."
-HAND
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.06.23 23:30:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:You know I'm more inclinded to suggest a lot of this bulls **** is because neither side has been willing to sit down on skype and discuss it in a less biased manner.
And before the AVers start yelling "I'm unbiased and the preacher of balance".....lets be honest....nope...you aren't and neither am I.
I'm more inclined now to take tanks back to those UP days than keep them as they are.....tanks are boring now, way too easy, and not challenging or satisfying enough to skill into.
Charlotte O'Dell proposed an idea that we all go on Skype, and a lot of people agreed with the idea. Unfortunately, it never happened. Not sure why though.
I want SLAVs, not SLAVEs.
"Many things in life are subjective, morality is one of them..."
-HAND
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.06.23 23:56:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:
I know I was so looking forwards to that.
For everyone's information I'm not against AV being effective against HAV. I'm all for it, but its a fine line between effective and..... loltankdead.......
I also want tanks to have a specific role on the map, my ideal one being the highest tier AV vehicle available to players, and require skill, ISK, and SP investment to operate efficiently.
I was looking towards it too. It may have finally put the V/AV argument to rest too.
Well besides the Skill-Staking ADSs, HAVs already are the highest tier AV vehicle available. Now all they need is the whole skill, ISK, and SP investment. But how does one go about making that a reality while keeping things balanced at both the low and high-end tiers.
I want SLAVs, not SLAVEs.
"Many things in life are subjective, morality is one of them..."
-HAND
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