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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:

i think it wouldn't be too bad of an idea to reduce it's shield recharge delays to the same as the caldari assault's if not better. why? because the MINMATAR ASSAULT IS MORE HIGH SLOT HEAVY THAN THE CALDARI ASSAULT.

this is the only case in this game where a minmatar suit has more high slots than it's caldari variant, so in this one case, i think it'd be reasonable to reduce it's shield recharge delays because 6 and 8 seconds on a shield based suit it ridiculous. i run a regulator and a recharger, and they help a lot, but the problem is that i then can't use those slots for other modules i wanted.

by the time i fit the regulator and recharger just to give it reasonable shield recharge stats, i'm left with less slots available than the cal scout, which can already do just about everything the min assault can do if not better.

for those who disagree, i'll show you:

Shield Recharge Delay:

Min Assault: 6 seconds
Cal Scout: 3 seconds

Shield Depleted Recharge Delay:

Min Assault: 8 seconds
Cal scout: 4 seconds

Shield Recharge Rate:

Min Assault: 25 hp/s
Cal Scout: 50 hp/s

Additional Factors:

Cal Scout's superior precision and scan radius

Cal Scout's ability to use a cloak without sacrificing the entire fitting

Cal scout's superior dampening

Cal Scout is much harder to hit than a min assault

but the min assault does have better clip sizes on projectile weaponry, and that is a very good bonus, but that's pretty much the only thing it has on the cal scout.

i'm not saying that the min assault is a useless suit, as it is far from that. it just requires support, just like many other suits, bu the sheer facts don't lie. the min assault is beaten by the cal scout in almost every way possible, and that's a problem.

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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2151	Posted - 2014.06.22 16:01:00 - [1] - Quote i think it wouldn't be too bad of an idea to reduce it's shield recharge delays to the same as the caldari assault's if not better. why? because the MINMATAR ASSAULT IS MORE HIGH SLOT HEAVY THAN THE CALDARI ASSAULT. this is the only case in this game where a minmatar suit has more high slots than it's caldari variant, so in this one case, i think it'd be reasonable to reduce it's shield recharge delays because 6 and 8 seconds on a shield based suit it ridiculous. i run a regulator and a recharger, and they help a lot, but the problem is that i then can't use those slots for other modules i wanted. by the time i fit the regulator and recharger just to give it reasonable shield recharge stats, i'm left with less slots available than the cal scout, which can already do just about everything the min assault can do if not better. for those who disagree, i'll show you: Shield Recharge Delay: Min Assault: 6 seconds Cal Scout: 3 seconds Shield Depleted Recharge Delay: Min Assault: 8 seconds Cal scout: 4 seconds Shield Recharge Rate: Min Assault: 25 hp/s Cal Scout: 50 hp/s Additional Factors: Cal Scout's superior precision and scan radius Cal Scout's ability to use a cloak without sacrificing the entire fitting Cal scout's superior dampening Cal Scout is much harder to hit than a min assault but the min assault does have better clip sizes on projectile weaponry, and that is a very good bonus, but that's pretty much the only thing it has on the cal scout. i'm not saying that the min assault is a useless suit, as it is far from that. it just requires support, just like many other suits, bu the sheer facts don't lie. the min assault is beaten by the cal scout in almost every way possible, and that's a problem.
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3694	Posted - 2014.06.22 16:04:00 - [2] - Quote Okay, but in your example what's the total shields of each suit respectively? I'm not saying you're wrong, per se. Just that more data is required for such a comparison to be valid. CCP Rattati Best Dev AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5 CalLogi, you're next!
MINA Longstrike 908	Posted - 2014.06.22 17:23:00 - [3] - Quote Why are you comparing an assault to a scout? Compare it to another assault. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 2319	Posted - 2014.06.22 17:44:00 - [4] - Quote I find more interesting the ADV min assault than the PRO, those 2 high slots are just a waste of resources, you have to accept compromises to fill all the slots and i find it untolerable. A 4/3 slot layout would be better, imo. I agree with a shield recharge buff, less HP should mean a better regen. PSN: ogamega I'm not a chef, i'm just a man who likes to cook.
bogeyman m Minmatar Republic 281	Posted - 2014.06.23 17:13:00 - [5] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Why are you comparing an assault to a scout? Compare it to another assault. As long as a Scout suit can out assault an Assault suit, the comparison is valid. Duct tape 2.0 ... Have WD-40; will travel. Cross Atu for CPM1
Baal Omniscient Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 1790	Posted - 2014.06.23 18:31:00 - [6] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: i think it wouldn't be too bad of an idea to reduce it's shield recharge delays to the same as the caldari assault's if not better. why? because the MINMATAR ASSAULT IS MORE HIGH SLOT HEAVY THAN THE CALDARI ASSAULT. this is the only case in this game where a minmatar suit has more high slots than it's caldari variant, so in this one case, i think it'd be reasonable to reduce it's shield recharge delays because 6 and 8 seconds on a shield based suit it ridiculous. i run a regulator and a recharger, and they help a lot, but the problem is that i then can't use those slots for other modules i wanted. by the time i fit the regulator and recharger just to give it reasonable shield recharge stats, i'm left with less slots available than the cal scout, which can already do just about everything the min assault can do if not better. for those who disagree, i'll show you: Shield Recharge Delay: Min Assault: 6 seconds Cal Scout: 3 seconds Shield Depleted Recharge Delay: Min Assault: 8 seconds Cal scout: 4 seconds Shield Recharge Rate: Min Assault: 25 hp/s Cal Scout: 50 hp/s Additional Factors: Cal Scout's superior precision and scan radius Cal Scout's ability to use a cloak without sacrificing the entire fitting Cal scout's superior dampening Cal Scout is much harder to hit than a min assault but the min assault does have better clip sizes on projectile weaponry, and that is a very good bonus, but that's pretty much the only thing it has on the cal scout. i'm not saying that the min assault is a useless suit, as it is far from that. it just requires support, just like many other suits, bu the sheer facts don't lie. the min assault is beaten by the cal scout in almost every way possible, and that's a problem. I would like to point you to my previous thread on this topic, it may have some stats you can use to fill in some blanks, as well as offer a solid alternative. Basically I suggest that the Cal assault and Min assault should swap slot layouts and recharge times as the Caldari is a shield tank whereas the Minmatar is all about versatility and speed. Also, short of shield tanking, any scout can do anything better than a Minassault unfortunately. ~Proto Winmatar Assault since 1.0 PSN ID: AlbelNox2569 Cross Atu for CPM1
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2155	Posted - 2014.07.02 03:56:00 - [7] - Quote sorry i haven't replied to any of this. ever since legion was announced, i've kind of stopped reading the forums.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2155	Posted - 2014.07.02 03:58:00 - [8] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Okay, but in your example what's the total shields of each suit respectively? I'm not saying you're wrong, per se. Just that more data is required for such a comparison to be valid. 187 shield for the min assault 162 shield for the cal scout both are without any shield mods and assumes max shield skills.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2155	Posted - 2014.07.02 04:00:00 - [9] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Why are you comparing an assault to a scout? Compare it to another assault. because as i said, the scout can do everything the assault can do but better, EXCEPT extended clip size and a mere 100 more shields on the min assault. if you don't see a problem with this, then i don't know what to say.


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