DUST Search - Swarms vs Dropships

medomai grey wrote:

Jack Galen wrote:

I pilot most of the time with an incubus (AV) or a grimsnes (infantry support).

This is the bit I don't understand:
Infantry, your suits and weapons cost about ten percent of the cost of an ADS, possibly twenty percent for all you protos, and that's for an ADV ADS, not proto. When you are having a hard time killing it, consider that; the pilot has invested huge amounts of SP and ISK, whereas a militia forge gun on a militia frame can end an ADS quite easily. I am actually very happy with AV at the moment - flying can be easy, unless the enemy work together (wait, what? :P) to take you down. When 2-3 infantry / a rail tank and a forge work together to take me out, I feel that I'm fair game.

What I don't want to see are the return of the days where I lift off and suddenly get mullered by 7 groups of unrendered swarms, 2 forge guns and a rail installation within 5 seconds, every time. :/

One other idea: why can't it be a food chain? Infantry>Tanks>dropships>infantry for example? Aren't some match ups meant to be more one-sided than others? :)

Because ISK and SP are terrible factors to balance around in an MMO FPS.

There is a "food chain". Infantry > AV > Vehicles > Infantry


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Jack Galen Vanguardian Remnant 2	Posted - 2014.06.22 14:16:00 - [1] - Quote I pilot most of the time with an incubus (AV) or a grimsnes (infantry support). This is the bit I don't understand: Infantry, your suits and weapons cost about ten percent of the cost of an ADS, possibly twenty percent for all you protos, and that's for an ADV ADS, not proto. When you are having a hard time killing it, consider that; the pilot has invested huge amounts of SP and ISK, whereas a militia forge gun on a militia frame can end an ADS quite easily. I am actually very happy with AV at the moment - flying can be easy, unless the enemy work together (wait, what? :P) to take you down. When 2-3 infantry / a rail tank and a forge work together to take me out, I feel that I'm fair game. What I don't want to see are the return of the days where I lift off and suddenly get mullered by 7 groups of unrendered swarms, 2 forge guns and a rail installation within 5 seconds, every time. :/ One other idea: why can't it be a food chain? Infantry>Tanks>dropships>infantry for example? Aren't some match ups meant to be more one-sided than others? :)
Jack Galen Vanguardian Remnant 3	Posted - 2014.06.22 22:19:00 - [2] - Quote medomai grey wrote: Jack Galen wrote: I pilot most of the time with an incubus (AV) or a grimsnes (infantry support). This is the bit I don't understand: Infantry, your suits and weapons cost about ten percent of the cost of an ADS, possibly twenty percent for all you protos, and that's for an ADV ADS, not proto. When you are having a hard time killing it, consider that; the pilot has invested huge amounts of SP and ISK, whereas a militia forge gun on a militia frame can end an ADS quite easily. I am actually very happy with AV at the moment - flying can be easy, unless the enemy work together (wait, what? :P) to take you down. When 2-3 infantry / a rail tank and a forge work together to take me out, I feel that I'm fair game. What I don't want to see are the return of the days where I lift off and suddenly get mullered by 7 groups of unrendered swarms, 2 forge guns and a rail installation within 5 seconds, every time. :/ One other idea: why can't it be a food chain? Infantry>Tanks>dropships>infantry for example? Aren't some match ups meant to be more one-sided than others? :) Because ISK and SP are terrible factors to balance around in an MMO FPS. There is a "food chain". Infantry > AV > Vehicles > Infantry If I may phrase it better: Even the cheapest ADS fit possible (not even an effective one) is quite vulnerable to AV, which can be made rather effective for much less. Swarms, quite rightly, are not just point and shoot weapons. They are the only tracking enabled weapon of DUST, and so (quite rightly so) if I may quote Judge, some skill must be employed as for when to fire and how to go about it. I have lost ships to swarms, but only when the swarms are in the right hands. Forge gun, however, is point and shoot. A very powerful point and shoot indeed.