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iKILLu osborne Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 13	Posted - 2014.06.20 11:35:00 - [1] - Quote as it stands the majority of players in pub matches are solo(about one squad on each team.). thus many call lav's for a quick cheap transport which is fine if they took passengers with them such as a heavy or someone with uplinks but that is not the case and the lavs fill up the team quota preventing the more important vehicles(opinion) such as rail tanks or dropship (to plant top side links,or hot drop a squad) cannot be called in. a solution to this is in my mind, is lav's do not count as part of team quota or that there is a 10s delay before one can be called in at start of the match. hey you liar! i didn't sneak up on you, i was following you for 5 minutes , waiting for you to hack that cru for a camp
DEAD-EYE-KILLER Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 12	Posted - 2014.06.20 11:37:00 - [2] - Quote Wow tankers are such selfish players.
iKILLu osborne Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 16	Posted - 2014.06.20 12:33:00 - [3] - Quote DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Wow tankers are such selfish players. i'm not a tanker sir i'm the uplinker in drop ship that requires rail tanks on the ground to engage enemy installations/tanks. but thanks for supporting a pointless vehicle hey you liar! i didn't sneak up on you, i was following you for 5 minutes , waiting for you to hack that cru for a camp
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3642	Posted - 2014.06.20 13:55:00 - [4] - Quote DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Wow tankers are such selfish players. Yes, we're selfish because all you infantry idiots are too impatient to share your cars, so you have to prevent us from actually playing our role. Idiot. CCP Rattati Best Dev AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5 CalLogi, you're next!
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 102	Posted - 2014.06.20 14:26:00 - [5] - Quote i only skimmed the OP but i agree.. the lockout needs to be shorter on LAVs and dropships so we can get 3+ guys out there instead of 1 per vehical.. maybe lock driver to personal/squad only for a set periot of time while passangers can jump in right away? the CRU isnt a bad idea but not many use them or even know they are mobile spawn points.. its some what a bad idea to use them on LAVs due to people being dumped into a seat instead of just spawning... my preferred ways to use CRU is on caldari dropship so i have Scanner reps and CRU.. i also use it on gallente militia tank with scanner and a small turret passenger.. any one else who spawns on my tank just gets insta kicked out into the frey so thats probably one reason why i dont get points for beign a mobile cru as a tanker since they would have to be inside the vehical first for the transport assist to actually count now one thing i have noticed is that the dropship CRU gives vehicle transportation kill assist points while in a tank it dosnt seem to.. and same for LAV i think Minmatar Logibro in training. Rusty needles anyone? No Mic and no time for "Squeekers" Nerf scout cloak+shotgun
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 102	Posted - 2014.06.20 14:27:00 - [6] - Quote iKILLu osborne wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Wow tankers are such selfish players. i'm not a tanker sir i'm the uplinker in drop ship that requires rail tanks on the ground to engage enemy installations/tanks. but thanks for supporting a pointless vehicle people need to support dropship uplinkers more they are what can help win the match Minmatar Logibro in training. Rusty needles anyone? No Mic and no time for "Squeekers" Nerf scout cloak+shotgun
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 102	Posted - 2014.06.20 14:28:00 - [7] - Quote iKILLu osborne wrote: as it stands the majority of players in pub matches are solo(about one squad on each team.). thus many call lav's for a quick cheap transport which is fine if they took passengers with them such as a heavy or someone with uplinks but that is not the case and the lavs fill up the team quota preventing the more important vehicles(opinion) such as rail tanks or dropship (to plant top side links,or hot drop a squad) cannot be called in. a solution to this is in my mind, is lav's do not count as part of team quota or that there is a 10s delay before one can be called in at start of the match. make them count or every single person will be in an LAV roadkilling people :P Minmatar Logibro in training. Rusty needles anyone? No Mic and no time for "Squeekers" Nerf scout cloak+shotgun
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 1013	Posted - 2014.06.20 14:39:00 - [8] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Wow tankers are such selfish players. Yes, we're selfish because all you infantry idiots are too impatient to share your cars, so you have to prevent us from actually playing our role. Idiot. Sorry, but dumbass blueberries steal my asset the moment I jump out to forge gun a tank, leaving me with 2 options. Call in another, in a potentially dangerous area or Be left stranded and forced to run my fat heavy somewhere So no, don't just assume that a tank or dropship is a more important asset. And no, you ain't getting no ride from me. Tanks - Balancing Turrets
iKILLu osborne Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 18	Posted - 2014.06.20 14:48:00 - [9] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: iKILLu osborne wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Wow tankers are such selfish players. i'm not a tanker sir i'm the uplinker in drop ship that requires rail tanks on the ground to engage enemy installations/tanks. but thanks for supporting a pointless vehicle people need to support dropship uplinkers more they are what can help win the match to clarify i have 6 links on my amarr logi to drop on rooftops water towers etc i don't use mobile cru cause if i need to recall my dropship i can't cause some stupid blueberry won't get out hey you liar! i didn't sneak up on you, i was following you for 5 minutes , waiting for you to hack that cru for a camp
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 3788	Posted - 2014.06.20 14:55:00 - [10] - Quote iKILLu osborne wrote: as it stands the majority of players in pub matches are solo(about one squad on each team.). thus many call lav's for a quick cheap transport which is fine if they took passengers with them such as a heavy or someone with uplinks but that is not the case and the lavs fill up the team quota preventing the more important vehicles(opinion) such as rail tanks or dropship (to plant top side links,or hot drop a squad) cannot be called in. a solution to this is in my mind, is lav's do not count as part of team quota or that there is a 10s delay before one can be called in at start of the match. The problem is the 15 second lockout. I have waited to pick up Blueberries in my LAV at the beginning of the game, but that 15 seconds is an excruciatingly long wait. Often I canGÇÖt be bothered. I always feel bad driving away leaving that Blueberry standing there forlornly. I would like to see the lockout time for Blueberries reduced to 10 seconds, and the lockout time for Squad members reduced to 4 seconds. Of course what I would really like is a proper lock system which would force a Blueberry to have to hack your vehicle to drive it, but that is a lot more involved. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.

Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 3788	Posted - 2014.06.20 14:57:00 - [11] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: maybe lock driver to personal/squad only for a set periot of time while passangers can jump in right away? That would be a good solution if it could be implemented. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3648	Posted - 2014.06.20 15:14:00 - [12] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Wow tankers are such selfish players. Yes, we're selfish because all you infantry idiots are too impatient to share your cars, so you have to prevent us from actually playing our role. Idiot. Sorry, but dumbass blueberries steal my asset the moment I jump out to forge gun a tank, leaving me with 2 options. Call in another, in a potentially dangerous area or Be left stranded and forced to run my fat heavy somewhere So no, don't just assume that a tank or dropship is a more important asset. And no, you ain't getting no ride from me. So you're telling me two things, that instead of seven cars my team only needs five at the outside, and that you're just as selfish. Justifiable reasons do not a selfless action make. Finally, I'm not sure where I assumed that a tank or dropship is a more important asset? Although I am pretty sure that in almost every circumstance it is. CCP Rattati Best Dev AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5 CalLogi, you're next!
Rizlax Yazzax Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 330	Posted - 2014.06.20 16:18:00 - [13] - Quote When going solo there are two main reasons I don't wait for bluedots: 1. I'm playing to win and 15 seconds is a long time to wait at the start of a match. 2. As soon as I jump out to do something I get car jacked, just to watch them total the damn thing 100 metres down the road. If I'm just there to play casually, then by all means jump aboard and shoot at the MCC/objectives all you want. Either way I always recall when I'm finished with my vehicles.
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 1014	Posted - 2014.06.20 18:11:00 - [14] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Tebu Gan wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Wow tankers are such selfish players. Yes, we're selfish because all you infantry idiots are too impatient to share your cars, so you have to prevent us from actually playing our role. Idiot. Sorry, but dumbass blueberries steal my asset the moment I jump out to forge gun a tank, leaving me with 2 options. Call in another, in a potentially dangerous area or Be left stranded and forced to run my fat heavy somewhere So no, don't just assume that a tank or dropship is a more important asset. And no, you ain't getting no ride from me. So you're telling me two things, that instead of seven cars my team only needs five at the outside, and that you're just as selfish. Justifiable reasons do not a selfless action make. Finally, I'm not sure where I assumed that a tank or dropship is a more important asset? Although I am pretty sure that in almost every circumstance it is. My LAV with my heavy butt in it IS a tank. I use it to kill tanks called out to the field, or dropships, or even enemy LAV's loaded down for a nice triple kill. While I don't mind giving a ride to a random blueberry to a point, once they are there they should expect no more favors as I'm going to do what I intend to do, kill vehicles. Too often have I had a blueberry come up and steal my LAV, as they felt they had more important things to do with it. But that isn't the point, the point is is that it's MY ISK on the line with an LAV. Just like it is with a tank or dropship. Yes, I fit my LAV's up, they aren't just some cheap throwaway, and I use them very effectively. And I run lone wolf a lot, deal with it. You want to work with me, then jump in my squad, but I'm still not going to trust a random blueberry to do the right thing and let me stay in control of my asset. Sometimes they do, and actually help me push a point. But more often then not, they steal it the MOMENT I get out. I kill a lot of tanks, LAV, and dropships, by utilizing an LAV. Quit being butthurt and assuming that anyone that calls in LAV's just to ruin your day. 90% of those LAV's are going to be left and destroyed, so that you will eventually be able to call in your vehicle of choice. Is it my fault that I had boots on the ground first and got my asset in before you?? Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 681	Posted - 2014.06.20 18:17:00 - [15] - Quote im sorry but i dont give blue berries rides, i bought my car for me and my squadmates not some random bule berry to steal after i get out of it. if u want ur vehicle to land first spawn first and call it first
Mortedeamor Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1569	Posted - 2014.06.20 19:22:00 - [16] - Quote if ccp had given us a reasonable vehicle lock instead of making us wait 15 seconds to give randoms a lift common courtesy would be a thing on the battle field
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 103	Posted - 2014.06.20 19:40:00 - [17] - Quote iKILLu osborne wrote: as it stands the majority of players in pub matches are solo(about one squad on each team.). thus many call lav's for a quick cheap transport which is fine if they took passengers with them such as a heavy or someone with uplinks but that is not the case and the lavs fill up the team quota preventing the more important vehicles(opinion) such as rail tanks or dropship (to plant top side links,or hot drop a squad) cannot be called in. a solution to this is in my mind, is lav's do not count as part of team quota or that there is a 10s delay before one can be called in at start of the match. you know why I don't let you stoopid blueberries in my LAV? because if I get out to hack or kill someone you jerks steal it....also even though the quota gets filled if you wait literally 30 seconds one will blow up or be recalled and you can get you tank in... try it. also as far as importance goes... it depends on the operator of the vehicle .. not the vehicle... at least an lav gets someone to an objective... all tankers do 70% of the time is shoot turrets and hang out in the red line... dropships... unless its an ADS with a good pilot are a joke.
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 103	Posted - 2014.06.20 20:05:00 - [18] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Wow tankers are such selfish players. Yes, we're selfish because all you infantry idiots are too impatient to share your cars, so you have to prevent us from actually playing our role. Idiot. and what role is that? killing infantry? lets be honest tanks have no role of their own in the game save the role of killing other tanks... tanks cant hack points, no one uses them for transport, and even if they did its nothing an LAV cant do quicker (and dropships do it the best) if there were barricades to objectives that could only be destroyed by tanks, that would be cool and a reason for tanks in the game... but seriously, what does a tank do that no other role can fulfill better except for killing other tanks? no, tanks are like a fat guy on an airplane, they take up way more space than they are worth and are always in the way.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 2076	Posted - 2014.06.21 01:50:00 - [19] - Quote No. I am tired of the vehicles as it is. Now you want to open up the door so OP heavies can drive around in packs and mow down any other suits? Forget that. This is how a minja feels
SHOOOOTER Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 216	Posted - 2014.06.21 05:20:00 - [20] - Quote iKILLu osborne wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: iKILLu osborne wrote: DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Wow tankers are such selfish players. i'm not a tanker sir i'm the uplinker in drop ship that requires rail tanks on the ground to engage enemy installations/tanks. but thanks for supporting a pointless vehicle people need to support dropship uplinkers more they are what can help win the match to clarify i have 6 links on my amarr logi to drop on rooftops water towers etc i don't use mobile cru cause if i need to recall my dropship i can't cause some stupid blueberry won't get out And this is why teams loose so often. You give a blueberry a link on a tower or high spot and he camps there the rest of the game. You spawn back join the link a few minutes later and there is glowing camp sight set up with more links and hives with everyone standing around. Links are Import ant but they can also ruin a match. Just put them on towers and watch. Almost a guaranteed loss.

Will Driver Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 81	Posted - 2014.06.21 08:24:00 - [21] - Quote You do sound very entitled, but in any case .... no. What makes you think one kind of vehicle is more deserving than another, or shouldn't count against the same quota? GÇ£Creativity is knowing how to hide your sourcesGÇ¥ GÇò Albert Einstein
iKILLu osborne Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 18	Posted - 2014.06.21 11:42:00 - [22] - Quote let me explain why lavs are f'n POINTLESS. The driver instead of waiting for passengers drive straight too the point(without dropping uplinks on the way)(and if they don't hit a tank or get got by an installation ) just too get thier head blew off by a scout when they start too hack. because your lav came first: 1.tank could've shot down that enemy ds with full squad in it that will kill you as soon as they land 2.ds that had too wait gets shot down by enemy tank(might have not happened if they hadn't had too wait) your lav doesn't come first: 1. ds with 5 ppl dies to your lav coming in. 2. 500k isk ads dies to your lav coming in. Better solution than my o.p.: 1.extended team quota . 2. multiple vehicles delivered instead of one at a time hey you liar! i didn't sneak up on you, i was following you for 5 minutes , waiting for you to hack that cru for a camp
Ld Collins Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 149	Posted - 2014.06.21 12:51:00 - [23] - Quote There's no one size fits all solution here when I call lavs or dropships in pubs I literally have to beg people to get inside them.
iKILLu osborne Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 21	Posted - 2014.06.21 13:20:00 - [24] - Quote Ld Collins wrote: There's no one size fits all solution here when I call lavs or dropships in pubs I literally have to beg people to get inside them. yes you are absolutely right because lavs(if not used by the proper hands) are easy targets i'e: forge, swarms, plasma cannon,tank,ads,remote,proxies all efficiently can destroy lavs hey you liar! i didn't sneak up on you, i was following you for 5 minutes , waiting for you to hack that cru for a camp
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 688	Posted - 2014.06.21 14:36:00 - [25] - Quote what part of ," we dont give stuid blue berries rides for them to steal our vehicles" do u not understand? if u want your vehicle to land first spawn first if not u better get to walkin fool
iKILLu osborne Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 21	Posted - 2014.06.21 15:05:00 - [26] - Quote Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: what part of ," we dont give stuid blue berries rides for them to steal our vehicles" do u not understand? if u want your vehicle to land first spawn first if not u better get to walkin fool that is not my point you fukktard it is what should have more priority and fyi i wouldn't want to get in your lav cause only fukktards use them but me my guest spawn your lav and go get yourself blew up hey you liar! i didn't sneak up on you, i was following you for 5 minutes , waiting for you to hack that cru for a camp
Tread Loudly 2 Immortal Legionaires 6	Posted - 2014.06.21 16:18:00 - [27] - Quote How about they implement priority into vehicles being dropped. How would this done well say multiple people bring in multiple types of vehicles or perhaps even the same ones, well here is the proposed stats Dropships of all kinds wait 0 seconds after initial spawn to call it in as well as +3 priority HAV's wait 5 seconds after initial spawn to call it in as well as +2 priority LAV's wait 10 seconds after initial spawn to call it in as well as +1 priority The +1,+2, and +3 priority is basically if they are called in at the same time later in the match the dropship would have priority over HAV'S, and the HAV'S have priority over LAV's so they would drop first. I Like Tanks, ADS's, and Ion Pistols!
iKILLu osborne Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 24	Posted - 2014.06.21 20:18:00 - [28] - Quote Tread Loudly 2 wrote: How about they implement priority into vehicles being dropped. How would this done well say multiple people bring in multiple types of vehicles or perhaps even the same ones, well here is the proposed stats Dropships of all kinds wait 0 seconds after initial spawn to call it in as well as +3 priority HAV's wait 5 seconds after initial spawn to call it in as well as +2 priority LAV's wait 10 seconds after initial spawn to call it in as well as +1 priority The +1,+2, and +3 priority is basically if they are called in at the same time later in the match the dropship would have priority over HAV'S, and the HAV'S have priority over LAV's so they would drop first. thanks for your feedback it is a good idea but in my mind what would solve the problem is extended team quota ,and multiple vehicles delivered at one time hey you liar! i didn't sneak up on you, i was following you for 5 minutes , waiting for you to hack that cru for a camp
bogeyman m Minmatar Republic 281	Posted - 2014.06.22 16:28:00 - [29] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: iKILLu osborne wrote: as it stands the majority of players in pub matches are solo(about one squad on each team.). thus many call lav's for a quick cheap transport which is fine if they took passengers with them such as a heavy or someone with uplinks but that is not the case and the lavs fill up the team quota preventing the more important vehicles(opinion) such as rail tanks or dropship (to plant top side links,or hot drop a squad) cannot be called in. a solution to this is in my mind, is lav's do not count as part of team quota or that there is a 10s delay before one can be called in at start of the match. The problem is the 15 second lockout. I have waited to pick up Blueberries in my LAV at the beginning of the game, but that 15 seconds is an excruciatingly long wait. Often I canGÇÖt be bothered. I always feel bad driving away leaving that Blueberry standing there forlornly. I would like to see the lockout time for Blueberries reduced to 10 seconds, and the lockout time for Squad members reduced to 4 seconds. Of course what I would really like is a proper lock system which would force a Blueberry to have to hack your vehicle to drive it, but that is a lot more involved. A proper lock system with alarm. The first time someone hacks your vehicle, they would hear a loud woop-woop-woop... That would be hil-ar-ious! Duct tape 2.0 ... Have WD-40; will travel. Cross Atu for CPM1
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1085	Posted - 2014.06.23 21:58:00 - [30] - Quote Having universal vehicle count was bad choice to begin with. LAVs and HAVs are entirely different. In so many aspects. :-S



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