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Hobo on Fire
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.06.20 03:37:00 -
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Frame suits are kinda pointless, but a BPO for the standard level of each racial specialty would be great. Ditto for weapons. BPOs for militia infantry gear hardly hurt the game from an economic standpoint, since the normal versions are so cheap to begin with; the only militia items that would really hurt for economic reasons would be vehicles.
Most of my go-to fittings are Dren suits with a toxin SMG as a sidearm; I use the Dren shotgun on my scouts, and make fair use out of militia BPO modules on a lot of suits as well. These fitting are more than adequate for pub matches and usually sufficient for FW; the only suit I use regularly that has no BPO parts is my AV fit.
Militia and standard BPOs are great because they aren't useful enough for the PC crowd (who spend most of the isk in this game) to bother using, but they give entry level and non-PC players a way to play on the cheap as far as isk. That crowd is also far less likely to spend aurum on one time use weapons and dropsuits, but many would gladly shell out a few real-world bucks for a suit or weapon that they never have to restock. |
deezy dabest
Sacred Initiative of Combat Killers
645
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Posted - 2014.06.20 03:37:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:We have some exclusivity issues, with some of these items., have to respect that. I will dig further into this.
Are you referring too the items that were PSN store exclusives?
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Heimdallr69
Nyain San
2606
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Posted - 2014.06.20 03:40:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:We have some exclusivity issues, with some of these items., have to respect that. I will dig further into this.
Thanks
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lithkul devant
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
252
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Posted - 2014.06.20 04:02:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Can I ask very innocently and honestly, why? Is it just about making ISK? I never considered buying one myself and never use them even if I have them from multiple packs I have bought.
Just a couple of thoughts.
Which items would be the most sought after? I don't remember what BPO's used to be out there. Did we ever have BPO's for all the racial rifles etc?
Is there demand for higher level BPO's, maybe the Basic Heavy and Mediums, with no skill requirement, to get new players through the initial pain threshold?
Reasons why BPO's were/are valuable.
1. You did not have to constantly buy suits or certain modules, you could just play the game, if your suit died you didn't care as much.
2. The looks of the suits at times varied from the standard and had unique looks.
3. Yes some of this was about hedging the costs of suits, such as saving roughly 1-3k per suit or 600 isk per module.
4. Often times these suits are used for AV, mainly because trying to take on tanks or dropships is a very hazardous venture at the best of times.
5. BPO suits are awesome for people just starting the game and they don't know what they are doing. Because you can experiment with the suit and it has low skill req if any skill req at all, it was how I was able to play logi for a long time.
6. BPO LAVs saves you roughly 30k each time it is blown up either by a tank or timing out and just self destructing. Yeah I've seen LAVs just run out of time and suicide.
7. BPO weapons Slightly better then militia most times, great for just messing around with, especially when you don't want to care about dying, aka when you are being proto stomped into the ground.
In conclusion, yes it does have to deal with isk, because everything in this game deals with isk, but it is also about a fun factor and not having to worry or care about each death as much.
Also....as a side note can we please sell items/weapons we get from factional battles, got a ton of stuff I will never use or at least make it an option to be able to sell it back or trade to another player or something? |
The Eristic
Dust 90210
479
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Posted - 2014.06.20 04:08:00 -
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Speaking of player market, I don't really understand why we can't just have direct p2p trading for items in the same way we have direct p2p isk transfer. Doesn't seem like it'd be difficult to do at all. Click player's name -> "Transfer Asset" -> Assets screen -> select asset and amount, hit transfer -> done. The back end stuff should be relatively simple, as practically all the mechanics could be pirated from elsewhere in the code, just needs a tiny interface modification.
As to bpos, it'd be nice to have some for every race and/or have more with ridiculous cosmetics. No higher than Basic, though.
Reality is the original Rorschach.
Verily! So much for all that.
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Brokerib
Lone Wolves Club
1395
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Posted - 2014.06.20 04:11:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Can I ask very innocently and honestly, why? Is it just about making ISK? I never considered buying one myself and never use them even if I have them from multiple packs I have bought.
Just a couple of thoughts.
Which items would be the most sought after? I don't remember what BPO's used to be out there. Did we ever have BPO's for all the racial rifles etc?
Is there demand for higher level BPO's, maybe the Basic Heavy and Mediums, with no skill requirement, to get new players through the initial pain threshold?
I'd love the oportunity to pick up racial weapons and suits, though I wouldn't want to see suits and weapons go beyond the standard level. For modules, maybe, but you'd need to be really careful about that. We already have near endless proto stompers, giving the option of unlimited proto fits... 
What I'd really like is an armstice where I can trade existing BPOs on a like for like basis for racial equivalents. As a Minmatar loyalist, I'm finding I get little use out of the Templar set, except for using the Templar heavy as a platform for a HMG. If I could swap them for the Minmatar equivalents, I'd be very pleased.
Generally it's not about ISK. Most of the people who are interested will be pretty ISKed up regardless. I just find that it simplifies some of my fits and gives me the chance to use something different on the battlefield. So ease of use and cosmetics.
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calvin b
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
1643
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Posted - 2014.06.20 05:19:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Can I ask very innocently and honestly, why? Is it just about making ISK? I never considered buying one myself and never use them even if I have them from multiple packs I have bought.
Just a couple of thoughts.
Which items would be the most sought after? I don't remember what BPO's used to be out there. Did we ever have BPO's for all the racial rifles etc?
Is there demand for higher level BPO's, maybe the Basic Heavy and Mediums, with no skill requirement, to get new players through the initial pain threshold?
I have the Dren set and yes I know several that want BPO's back. Its not about the ISK, its the feel of not caring as you throw suit after suit at the enemy and knowing it will always be there. I am currently skilling into each race that the Dren has. I have the Armarr Heavy maxed and I am working on the Cal Assault, next will be Min Logi all for their racial bonuses.
I would say the all suits be sough after. Weapons would be the CR, RR, ScR, and SG. Equipment would be uplink, nanohive, maybe rep tool.
No we never got all the racial rifles only the AR.
Closed Beta Vet and Heavy, so no I am not FOTM I am an Antique
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DeathwindRising
ROGUE RELICS
365
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Posted - 2014.06.20 05:21:00 -
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you could make 4 racial packs and sell them for aur
each pack would have std level racial weapons and dropsuits, plus militia (maybe std) gear
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calvin b
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
1643
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Posted - 2014.06.20 05:24:00 -
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2Berries wrote:Basic BPO's of the entire light weapon menus would force the wallet from my pocket.
Isn't there an assault C/2 BPO for recruiting? Has anyone ever seen these? I'm interested to know.
Yes, and no I have never seen one. I would love to meet the one who does
Closed Beta Vet and Heavy, so no I am not FOTM I am an Antique
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact
The East India Co.
4286
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Posted - 2014.06.20 05:36:00 -
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duster 35000 wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:I would certainly like to sell an NPC vendor my 12 dragonfly's and toxin's....for ISK  Please just bring back bpo's but for isk. An adv bpo would be kewl.
No, No it would not....
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Aeon Amadi
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
6105
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Posted - 2014.06.20 05:44:00 -
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I'm fine with BPOs as long as they're militia variants. I was already getting kinda [redacted] about the standard BPO's, even though I use them. I'm curious as to the impact they have on the economy, especially if we plan on transferring ISK and what not over to Legion once it's Greenlit.
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Taylor Badasz
Proficiency V.
155
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Posted - 2014.06.20 05:45:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:I'm fine with BPOs as long as they're militia variants. I was already getting kinda [redacted] about the standard BPO's, even though I use them. I'm curious as to the impact they have on the economy, especially if we plan on transferring ISK and what not over to Legion IF it's Greenlit.
fixed.
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Regis Blackbird
DUST University
Ivy League
293
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Posted - 2014.06.20 06:28:00 -
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I was (and still are) not very fond of the BPO mechanics in Dust, even if I own quite a lot of them.
For me they are great for cosmetic purposes, but they have very limited use in-game since they are militia / standard items (apart from making ISK).
I guess that without a player market the old BPOs can be reintroduced (and perhaps new ones), if people want to spend money on them. However, under no circumstances should any higher tier BPOs be introduced!
(Would be game breaking)
What is more important for me is the ability to sell my surplus gear etc to a NPC vendor for half price (or whatever).
This is more important for me than anything else. |
Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
2040
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Posted - 2014.06.20 07:16:00 -
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I would probably murder someone IRL or pay 30 bucks to have a BPO with a truly spiffy paint scheme like the really slick one on the State Proto Cal Assault has in the loyalty store. It's much prettier then the normal assault colors, or even the dragonfly colors.
I gotta look pretty.
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Seymour KrelbornX
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
92
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Posted - 2014.06.20 07:59:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Can I ask very innocently and honestly, why? Is it just about making ISK? I never considered buying one myself and never use them even if I have them from multiple packs I have bought.
Just a couple of thoughts.
Which items would be the most sought after? I don't remember what BPO's used to be out there. Did we ever have BPO's for all the racial rifles etc?
Is there demand for higher level BPO's, maybe the Basic Heavy and Mediums, with no skill requirement, to get new players through the initial pain threshold?
I almost exclusively use BPO's... dren stuff, except for equipment, I use adv mostly. and when I was new my bpo's helped me to make isk, and try out all diferent types of fits, with a cash investment instead of an isk one.
my blueprint LAV was probably the best purchase I ever made in this game. much more so than boosters ever were ( which I bought a crap ton of)
when this game meant something, it was fun to collect stuff like the bpo's... would love a tank and dropship bpo...
quite honestly I get a lot of use out of my BPO's and I was pissed when CCP stole 4 of them from me... have not bought a thing since, and so far I have received 2 refunds from sony as an apology for your company's poor business practices... |
I-Shayz-I
I-----I
3743
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Posted - 2014.06.20 09:04:00 -
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I'd rather see the ability to sell isk bought items back to the store that we no longer need.
Without a future player market, does it really matter if we get isk back for these items?
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CUSE TOWN333
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
692
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Posted - 2014.06.20 09:22:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Can I ask very innocently and honestly, why? Is it just about making ISK? I never considered buying one myself and never use them even if I have them from multiple packs I have bought.
Just a couple of thoughts.
Which items would be the most sought after? I don't remember what BPO's used to be out there. Did we ever have BPO's for all the racial rifles etc?
Is there demand for higher level BPO's, maybe the Basic Heavy and Mediums, with no skill requirement, to get new players through the initial pain threshold?
people are just looking for standard lvl gear that they can make a loadout to grind isk in pubs. It helps new players save up isk for proto suits when they do unlock them.
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
2309
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Posted - 2014.06.20 09:46:00 -
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If not a market, we should have a barter system, like in borderlands 2, a very easy system, when both parts confirm, there is the exchange.
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TheD1CK
Dead Man's Game
1102
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:15:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Can I ask very innocently and honestly, why? Is it just about making ISK? I never considered buying one myself and never use them even if I have them from multiple packs I have bought.
Just a couple of thoughts.
Which items would be the most sought after? I don't remember what BPO's used to be out there. Did we ever have BPO's for all the racial rifles etc?
Is there demand for higher level BPO's, maybe the Basic Heavy and Mediums, with no skill requirement, to get new players through the initial pain threshold?
There are many way's BPOs could help new players and keep the veterans using lower tier suits. One thing CCP have never looked at and this would be an awesome way to reward your bitter-vets --> Modify current BPOs 'Dragonfly' 'Dren' 'Raven' 'Sever' 'Templar' 'Exile' 'Toxin' and basically give players the choice of which Race their BPO's are ; eg. Dragonfly Assault - switched from Caldari C-I to Gallent G-I ...... IF ONLY!!!!!! |
XxGhazbaranxX
Eternal Beings
Proficiency V.
1557
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:18:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:We have some exclusivity issues, with some of these items., have to respect that. I will dig further into this.
I would love a gallente commando BPO with altered color scheme.... it's all about vanity... permanent vanity
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OZAROW
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
1446
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:21:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:I would certainly like to sell an NPC vendor my 12 dragonfly's and toxin's....for ISK
Yes sir!
That's why I have so many, plus cars
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OZAROW
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
1446
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:25:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Can I ask very innocently and honestly, why? Is it just about making ISK? I never considered buying one myself and never use them even if I have them from multiple packs I have bought.
Just a couple of thoughts.
Which items would be the most sought after? I don't remember what BPO's used to be out there. Did we ever have BPO's for all the racial rifles etc?
Is there demand for higher level BPO's, maybe the Basic Heavy and Mediums, with no skill requirement, to get new players through the initial pain threshold?
There are many way's BPOs could help new players and keep the veterans using lower tier suits. One thing CCP have never looked at and this would be an awesome way to reward your bitter-vets --> Modify current BPOs 'Dragonfly' 'Dren' 'Raven' 'Sever' 'Templar' 'Exile' 'Toxin' and basically give players the choice of which Race their BPO's are ; eg. Dragonfly Assault - switched from Caldari C-I to Gallent G-I ...... IF ONLY!!!!!!
Hellz yea, if I could change 5 of my df scouts to all races, my toxin ARS to cr, rr, scr, and df assaults to min assaults.
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Sole Fenychs
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
509
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:36:00 -
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VERY IMPORTANT:
LAV BPOs are a major balance concern, due to their effect on Jihad Jeeps.
The current exclusivity of LAV BPOs makes the game P2W in certain situations, because someone who's got the BPO (Which can't even be gotten anymore) can easily murder tanks without throwing away at least 40k ISK.
You might want to look into that. Maybe give everyone a really disposable LAV as BPO or something, to even the playing field.
That would require more balance consideration, though... |
Stefan Stahl
Seituoda Taskforce Command
594
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:46:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Can I ask very innocently and honestly, why? For me it's all about the looks.
You get to look awesome while you fight an losing battle in a STD suit against enemies in ADV and PRO.
This is also why AUR suits don't quite cut it. The 'Neo' suits make you look like a try-hard newberry and the pre-fitted consumable suits are just way too expensive just for the skin.
I would spend money either on:
- STD BPOs with special skins or
- Consumable higher tier suits and weapons that cost the same amount of ISK as their normal counterparts, but a couple AUR extra for the vanity aspect
The State Protectorate C-1 for example looks all nice. But I don't feel like using AUR suits when I will likely get stomped by PRO equipment while wearing it. If it were a BPO I could shell out a few dollars for it and then fly those colors all day long.
By the way, when you implement higher tier AUR stuff that may actually become popular, please consider that destroyed AUR doesn't contribute to the ISK-pool that is shared at the end of the match (as far as I'm aware). This makes powerful AUR items a considerable ISK drain in the economy. This was easy to observe with AUR HAVs when they were popular. They destroyed ISK by the millions but didn't generate any when destroyed themselves. That made fighting them annoying. |
lithkul devant
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
255
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Posted - 2014.06.20 14:09:00 -
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Sole Fenychs wrote:VERY IMPORTANT:
LAV BPOs are a major balance concern, due to their effect on Jihad Jeeps.
The current exclusivity of LAV BPOs makes the game P2W in certain situations, because someone who's got the BPO (Which can't even be gotten anymore) can easily murder tanks without throwing away at least 40k ISK.
You might want to look into that. Maybe give everyone a really disposable LAV as BPO or something, to even the playing field.
That would require more balance consideration, though...
Jihad Jeeps happeend because tanks became ungodly, for example where they used to have 5-6 tanks in an ambush on one side and just literally slaughter everyone. The tanks would completely lock the airways except for LAVs which could be summoned enough and cheaply enough. So what you are complaining about is a reaction to a problem not a problem in itself. Either that or you didn't care about AV efforts and are a tanker and just want to slaughter everyone with an "I win button"
We used to have it where everyone did have a cheap unlimited LAV, this was during the days of murder taxis where people would just race around 1 shoting everyone that was not in a vehicle. This was taken away with a promise we would eventually have hover bikes I think for solo transport to get us from point A to B fast.
Also how do you feel about the fact that a tank that is worth 70k can 1 (rail tank) shot an infantry that is worth of 80-100k or more many times without having the infantry having a chance even when they are equiped with AV gear. |
Michael Epic
The Neutral Zone
Psychotic Alliance
280
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Posted - 2014.06.20 14:36:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Can I ask very innocently and honestly, why? Is it just about making ISK? I never considered buying one myself and never use them even if I have them from multiple packs I have bought.
Just a couple of thoughts.
Which items would be the most sought after? I don't remember what BPO's used to be out there. Did we ever have BPO's for all the racial rifles etc?
Is there demand for higher level BPO's, maybe the Basic Heavy and Mediums, with no skill requirement, to get new players through the initial pain threshold?
The point of the BPO's was to let you relax for a minute and maybe make some isk. Like ok, I have a red caldari covenant BPO that I got from something I bought a long time ago and an LAV BPO I got from the same pack, right?
So not having to buy LAV's when I just use them as throwaway cars to get me around quickly is really nice. I don't want to spend an obscene amount of money to make a 60 second journey on foot in 20 seconds in the LAV. I need that ISK to be able to keep my proto logi suit stocked up with goodies because tanks are up my backside every 3 seconds and they camp spawn points, so essentially I lose millions of isk in just a few minutes because tanks are horribly overpowered and people are cheap as can be and they think sitting in a tank and getting 70 kills makes them a good player.
So when that happens...why can't I use a full bpo suit that is at least advanced quality so I don't get burnt up by a rail rifle in 3 seconds?
It just makes sense...plus it'll make CCP money. I know you guys like money lol it can't be cheap to run EVE, Dust and develop Legion and Valkyrie |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
2576
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Posted - 2014.06.20 14:40:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Can I ask very innocently and honestly, why? Is it just about making ISK? I never considered buying one myself and never use them even if I have them from multiple packs I have bought.
Just a couple of thoughts.
Which items would be the most sought after? I don't remember what BPO's used to be out there. Did we ever have BPO's for all the racial rifles etc?
Is there demand for higher level BPO's, maybe the Basic Heavy and Mediums, with no skill requirement, to get new players through the initial pain threshold?
the basic bpos were, multiple AR's , all militia gear, basic heavy suit, assault suit, logi suit and scout suit.
throguh excessively expensive packs you could get yourself a basic sniper bpo, and a basic lav bpo.
end of the day I don't think these should come back, but I do think players should get some kind of trade or sell to store option.
i'm sick of the clutter in assets and I want to get rid of alot of the salvage junk i'll never use.
at least with a trade option i could move it all over to an alt.
save all that can you let me delete assets at least.... |
Kain Spero
Goonfeet
3640
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Posted - 2014.06.20 15:12:00 -
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I think reintroducing BPOs should only be done if their treatment and transition into Project Legion has been fully decided upon by Game Design. The original reason for BPO removal was because of long term damage to the economy, but if the Dust economy isn't going to be transferred over to Project Legion then the economic impact wouldn't be as significant.
Using Dust as a testbed for the idea of BPO suits with the cost shifted to modules might actually be something to consider as well.
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
General Tso's Alliance
1982
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Posted - 2014.06.20 15:16:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:I think reintroducing BPOs should only be done if their treatment and transition into Project Legion has been fully decided upon by Game Design. The original reason for BPO removal was because of long term damage to the economy, but if the Dust economy isn't going to be transferred over to Project Legion then the economic impact wouldn't be as significant.
Using Dust as a testbed for the idea of BPO suits with the cost shifted to modules might actually be something to consider as well.
Any real money DUST generates in sales, if the data actually shows that is.. Is more reason to keep the lights on until legion. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
4854
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Posted - 2014.06.20 15:24:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Can I ask very innocently and honestly, why? Is it just about making ISK? I never considered buying one myself and never use them even if I have them from multiple packs I have bought.
Just a couple of thoughts.
Which items would be the most sought after? I don't remember what BPO's used to be out there. Did we ever have BPO's for all the racial rifles etc?
Is there demand for higher level BPO's, maybe the Basic Heavy and Mediums, with no skill requirement, to get new players through the initial pain threshold?
Any argument for BPOs can be summarised in the release of endorphines of anyone wearing a Templar set into battle.
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