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BL4CKST4R
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
2815
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Posted - 2014.06.18 23:35:00 -
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High
Shield extenders
Shield recharger
Shield energizer
Range amplifiers
PG Upgrades
Kin Cats
Profile Dampeners
Damage modifiers
Low
Armor plates
Armor repairers
Code breakers
Myofibril Stimulants
Precision enhancers
CPU Upgrades
Shield regulators
Cardiac regulator
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Cross Atu
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
2419
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Posted - 2014.06.19 00:34:00 -
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Swap KinCats with Code Breakers and (maybe later) add something along these lines as a low slot mod.
There's been discussion going on among light suit users the TL;DR of which, if I've understood it correctly, is that KinCats in the highs would make some of their fits brokenly OP while Code breakers in the highs would be an even trade regarding the power curve.
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Cross
Cross Atu for CPM1- An emergent candidate
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
2041
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Posted - 2014.06.19 00:46:00 -
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Cross Atu wrote:Swap KinCats with Code Breakers and (maybe later) add something along these lines as a low slot mod. There's been discussion going on among light suit users the TL;DR of which, if I've understood it correctly, is that KinCats in the highs would make some of their fits brokenly OP while Code breakers in the highs would be an even trade regarding the power curve. 0.02 ISK Cross
* KinCats in Highs are a Bad Idea.
* Codebreakers in Highs are a Great Idea.
- Scout Consensus
Shoot scout with yes...
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
2042
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Posted - 2014.06.19 00:50:00 -
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Seeking Clarification:
Why move all the ewar modules to Highs?
GalScout and CalScout slot layouts make for good interplay between "Ghost" and "Ghosthunter" ...
How might this change if all-things-ewar are shifted to Highs?
Shoot scout with yes...
- Ripley Riley
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BL4CKST4R
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
2816
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Posted - 2014.06.19 00:52:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Seeking Clarification:
Why move all the ewar modules to Highs?
GalScout and CalScout slot layouts make for good interplay between "Ghost" and "Ghosthunter" ...
How might this change if all-things-ewar are shifted to Highs?
Range amps and prec enh are in the lows. Oops I need to double check that list, I copied and pasted that from a post I made three months ago...
supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
2042
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Posted - 2014.06.19 00:54:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Seeking Clarification:
Why move all the ewar modules to Highs?
GalScout and CalScout slot layouts make for good interplay between "Ghost" and "Ghosthunter" ...
How might this change if all-things-ewar are shifted to Highs? Range amps and prec enh are in the lows. Oops I need to double check that list, I copied and pasted that from a post I made three months ago...
Then you've made for a less effective Ghost and Ghosthunter.
See Scout Racial Bonuses and slot layouts.
If this was intentional, please explain why its necessary.
Shoot scout with yes...
- Ripley Riley
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BL4CKST4R
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
2816
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Posted - 2014.06.19 00:57:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Seeking Clarification:
Why move all the ewar modules to Highs?
GalScout and CalScout slot layouts make for good interplay between "Ghost" and "Ghosthunter" ...
How might this change if all-things-ewar are shifted to Highs? Range amps and prec enh are in the lows. Oops I need to double check that list, I copied and pasted that from a post I made three months ago... Then you've made for a less effective Ghost and Ghosthunter. See Scout Racial Bonuses and slot layouts. If this was intentional, please explain why its necessary.
Ewar scout didnt exist when I made that post
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
3709
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Posted - 2014.06.19 01:00:00 -
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Cross Atu wrote:Swap KinCats with Code Breakers and (maybe later) add something along these lines as a low slot mod. There's been discussion going on among light suit users the TL;DR of which, if I've understood it correctly, is that KinCats in the highs would make some of their fits brokenly OP while Code breakers in the highs would be an even trade regarding the power curve. 0.02 ISK Cross
Support Cross in this statement
You have it bang on for the Codebreaker and Kinz
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
86
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Posted - 2014.06.19 01:10:00 -
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Cross Atu wrote:Swap KinCats with Code Breakers and (maybe later) add something along these lines as a low slot mod. There's been discussion going on among light suit users the TL;DR of which, if I've understood it correctly, is that KinCats in the highs would make some of their fits brokenly OP while Code breakers in the highs would be an even trade regarding the power curve. 0.02 ISK Cross
disagree would make shield tanked scouts even more OP cause then kincat is in a low slot meaning no comprimize to tank.
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BL4CKST4R
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
2816
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Posted - 2014.06.19 01:15:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Cross Atu wrote:Swap KinCats with Code Breakers and (maybe later) add something along these lines as a low slot mod. There's been discussion going on among light suit users the TL;DR of which, if I've understood it correctly, is that KinCats in the highs would make some of their fits brokenly OP while Code breakers in the highs would be an even trade regarding the power curve. 0.02 ISK Cross disagree would make shield tanked scouts even more OP cause then kincat is in a low slot meaning no comprimize to tank.
Sadly it does the same to armor suits so its really choosing the better of two evils...
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
2047
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Posted - 2014.06.19 01:20:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Cross Atu wrote:Swap KinCats with Code Breakers and (maybe later) add something along these lines as a low slot mod. There's been discussion going on among light suit users the TL;DR of which, if I've understood it correctly, is that KinCats in the highs would make some of their fits brokenly OP while Code breakers in the highs would be an even trade regarding the power curve. 0.02 ISK Cross disagree would make shield tanked scouts even more OP cause then kincat is in a low slot meaning no comprimize to tank.
Because your and Cross's statements are somewhat ambiguous ...
Yes, KinCats in Highs would be bad.
Cross Atu agrees that KinCats in Highs would be bad.
Right, Cross?
Shoot scout with yes...
- Ripley Riley
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
2049
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Posted - 2014.06.19 01:50:00 -
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@ OP
Also in favor of moving PG Extender from Low to High.
Shoot scout with yes...
- Ripley Riley
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
2063
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Posted - 2014.06.19 01:53:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Cross Atu wrote:Swap KinCats with Code Breakers and (maybe later) add something along these lines as a low slot mod. There's been discussion going on among light suit users the TL;DR of which, if I've understood it correctly, is that KinCats in the highs would make some of their fits brokenly OP while Code breakers in the highs would be an even trade regarding the power curve. 0.02 ISK Cross disagree would make shield tanked scouts even more OP cause then kincat is in a low slot meaning no comprimize to tank.
Currently, shield mods are in highs, kincats are in lows.
If this shield tanking were a problem, then then the current situation already allows for it.
If Kincats were moved to highs, it would be much worse, as many scouts have already given up on dampening and gone strictly with tank because of the inefficiency and effectiveness of even trying to dampen. Because then you would be dealing with fast AND tanked out scouts.
By moving Codebreakers to highs, you keep the current dynamics regarding speed and tanking while giving a viable alternative to high slots, possibly enough to even be used in a slot instead of shields.
Cross is right in that this move would give greater ewar flexibility with limited if any downside.
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Cross Atu
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
2431
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Posted - 2014.06.19 03:39:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Cross Atu wrote:Swap KinCats with Code Breakers and (maybe later) add something along these lines as a low slot mod. There's been discussion going on among light suit users the TL;DR of which, if I've understood it correctly, is that KinCats in the highs would make some of their fits brokenly OP while Code breakers in the highs would be an even trade regarding the power curve. 0.02 ISK Cross disagree would make shield tanked scouts even more OP cause then kincat is in a low slot meaning no comprimize to tank. I may be misunderstanding one or both of you, but I believe Cross is saying that KinCats in Highs are a bad idea.
Correct.
EDIT: Pretty much for the reasons One Eyed King states above.
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DeathwindRising
ROGUE RELICS
365
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Posted - 2014.06.19 04:17:00 -
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you could always add a movement bonus to Myofibril stimulants...
imagine minmatar scouts with kincats in their lows and stims in their highs nova knifing lol
hmm... we could also change nova knives to either buff normal melee damage, or make them melee weapons effected by stims |
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