DUST Search - Can we have Logi Dropships?

Cross Atu wrote:

Considering the current, more slimmed down, development resources I find it vastly important that we get as much possible content and utility out the assets already generated for Dust 514.

These other vehicles should most certainly be back in the game. In point of fact restoring their presence would improve the possibility of viable Vehicle vs Infantry balance. It is much harder to balance Proto AV vs STD Vehicles, the degrees are wrong.
Right now militia AV is a poor joke while MLT vehicles are are viable and useful simply because there are more degrees within the power curve of AV than of Vehicles. Push MLT AV to be viable in the current meta and the power curve makes Proto AV brokenly OP. The lack of types of vehicle also forces each one into more roles, making balance harder and requires that mods define the power curve very heavily allowing for more "MLT stacking" causing issues with the 'risk v reward' and the value of SP investments.

However with a restored vehicle field there are more 'knobs' to fiddle enabling more fine tuning and more diversity.
Content, balance, and game play would all be served by including these vehicles once more (and yes, they would need a balance pass... like the entire AV vs Vehicle situation does already).

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Subject 36 The New Age Outlaws Proficiency V. 132	Posted - 2014.06.18 20:27:00 - [1] - Quote Please. *GÇ£When bad things happen, I know you want to believe they are a joke, but sometimes life is scary and dark." -BMO*
Godin Thekiller The Corporate Raiders 2629	Posted - 2014.06.18 21:03:00 - [2] - Quote Give ways so it's not totally useless like before other than a slight eHP buff. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Yoma Carrim Last VenDetta. Dark Taboo 575	Posted - 2014.06.18 22:17:00 - [3] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Give ways so it's not totally useless like before other than a slight eHP buff. A range bonus to remote armor repers and remote shield bosters maybe? Oh Heck
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 3871	Posted - 2014.06.18 22:19:00 - [4] - Quote WP for CRUs problem solved I'm not resting in peace but rather wandering as a zombie in vengeance of no good reason
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2423	Posted - 2014.06.19 00:48:00 - [5] - Quote Quote from a related thread on HAVs, same type of reasoning applies (also yes to WP for mCRUs) Cross Atu wrote: Considering the current, more slimmed down, development resources I find it vastly important that we get as much possible content and utility out the assets already generated for Dust 514. These other vehicles should most certainly be back in the game. In point of fact restoring their presence would improve the possibility of viable Vehicle vs Infantry balance. It is much harder to balance Proto AV vs STD Vehicles, the degrees are wrong. Right now militia AV is a poor joke while MLT vehicles are are viable and useful simply because there are more degrees within the power curve of AV than of Vehicles. Push MLT AV to be viable in the current meta and the power curve makes Proto AV brokenly OP. The lack of types of vehicle also forces each one into more roles, making balance harder and requires that mods define the power curve very heavily allowing for more "MLT stacking" causing issues with the 'risk v reward' and the value of SP investments. However with a restored vehicle field there are more 'knobs' to fiddle enabling more fine tuning and more diversity. Content, balance, and game play would all be served by including these vehicles once more (and yes, they would need a balance pass... like the entire AV vs Vehicle situation does already). 0.02 ISK Cross Cross Atu for CPM1- An emergent candidate
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 86	Posted - 2014.06.19 01:13:00 - [6] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: WP for CRUs problem solved we already get WP for CRU.. i dropepd 2 guys off from my CRU viper.. and for the FULL match(or atleast till they got killed) i kept seeing "vehical drop assist xx points" Minmatar Logibro in training. Rusty needles anyone? No Mic and no time for "Squeekers" Nerf scout cloak+shotgun
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 86	Posted - 2014.06.19 01:15:00 - [7] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Give ways so it's not totally useless like before other than a slight eHP buff. make it tanky as hell but no weapons.. and CRU is a -5% pg/cpu perlevel used on logi dropship while +10% range on logi armor/shield rep per level.. like a flying version of an APC/MAV(if they ever make those) Minmatar Logibro in training. Rusty needles anyone? No Mic and no time for "Squeekers" Nerf scout cloak+shotgun
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14440	Posted - 2014.06.19 04:47:00 - [8] - Quote Yoma Carrim wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Give ways so it's not totally useless like before other than a slight eHP buff. A range bonus to remote armor repers and remote shield bosters maybe? We can't have spider tanking anymore thanks to the way armor and shield reps work now. It would just be way too broken. CCP straight up killed any hope of Logi ships coming back when they drastically dumbed down the the vehicles.
Commander Noctus Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 40	Posted - 2014.06.19 05:23:00 - [9] - Quote I miss my Prometheus... Perhaps we should make it just that: a dropship. Super tanky, slow, give WPs for spawns (don't remember if that was already a thing with them but it should be noted anyway), and perhaps enable it to rep vehicles like the LAVs? Or would that be too much?
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone Psychotic Alliance 1345	Posted - 2014.06.19 07:21:00 - [10] - Quote Give Logi vehicles the ability to resupply dropsuit AND vehicle ammo in a certain vicinity around them. Make them basically mobile nanohives. Give us a vehicle remote repper with a range of 50m, and give them a 500% boost to range of vehicle remote reppers, so that other vehicles can fit them, but only logi vehicles can use them effectively. Make them super tanky, so they can not be destroyed instantly. Calmanndo user with nova knives: Because someone has to do it.

Haerr Legio DXIV 854	Posted - 2014.06.19 07:52:00 - [11] - Quote I want a scout dropship variant, with a cloak.
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 675	Posted - 2014.06.19 08:20:00 - [12] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: WP for CRUs problem solved we already get WP for CRU.. i dropepd 2 guys off from my CRU viper.. and for the FULL match(or atleast till they got killed) i kept seeing "vehical drop assist xx points" transport assists are not enough, the driver needs 25 points per spawn just as if it were a droplink, and yeah a scout dropship woud be awesome it shlud be a 3 seater with a gun mount for all 3 occupants it should also replase the assault dropships we have now
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3515	Posted - 2014.06.19 14:35:00 - [13] - Quote Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: WP for CRUs problem solved we already get WP for CRU.. i dropepd 2 guys off from my CRU viper.. and for the FULL match(or atleast till they got killed) i kept seeing "vehical drop assist xx points" transport assists are not enough, the driver needs 25 points per spawn just as if it were a droplink, and yeah a scout dropship woud be awesome it shlud be a 3 seater with a gun mount for all 3 occupants it should also replase the assault dropships we have now Should be less WP than an uplink because of ease of use. It's mobile, well protected, and (afaik) has infinite spawns. Maybe 15 like an assist. (The godfather of tactical logistics) Quitting cold turkey was impossible. The forum patch is helping me kick the habit
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1340	Posted - 2014.06.19 14:43:00 - [14] - Quote As everyone said, a use is needed. As awesome as the CRU aspect is, its kinda blah (and can be done). Remote reps, of any kind... that's difficult. They would need really good range to be effective. You have to look at what a Logistics does in this game: Revive, Rep, Resupply, Scan, Demolitions, and Spawn. Revive is out of the question. Rep, as already stated here and elsewhere, would need a decent range buff to be worthwhile. Logistics with a Supply Depot-ish concept would be interesting, but, make it only restockable (not suit changing) with finite nanites that require a return to a Supply Depot. Scanning can already be done. Demolitions... Lol, jihad LDSs with an exploding base for blowing up tanks... Or the ability to drop mines... Spawning can already be done as well. If you find an issue and I stumble upon your thread, I will do my darnedest to get the issue known. Also, Raptors...
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2436	Posted - 2014.06.19 15:24:00 - [15] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: WP for CRUs problem solved we already get WP for CRU.. i dropepd 2 guys off from my CRU viper.. and for the FULL match(or atleast till they got killed) i kept seeing "vehical drop assist xx points" transport assists are not enough, the driver needs 25 points per spawn just as if it were a droplink, and yeah a scout dropship woud be awesome it shlud be a 3 seater with a gun mount for all 3 occupants it should also replase the assault dropships we have now Should be less WP than an uplink because of ease of use. It's mobile, well protected, and (afaik) has infinite spawns. Maybe 15 like an assist. This would make some sense, another alternative would be to put the WP earnings on a 'soft cap' cool down just like the repair tool, nanohives, and injectors. Both methods have the pros and cons but it would be good to get something in place. 0.02 ISK Cross Note: of course this would further squeeze infantry support logistics, but then again the whole role badly needs some love and attention on many fronts so in this instance I don't think that squeeze is a net loss. Cross Atu for CPM1- An emergent candidate
Godin Thekiller The Corporate Raiders 2638	Posted - 2014.06.19 21:06:00 - [16] - Quote Yoma Carrim wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Give ways so it's not totally useless like before other than a slight eHP buff. A range bonus to remote armor repers and remote shield bosters maybe? That's the LLV's role already. Try again. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Godin Thekiller The Corporate Raiders 2638	Posted - 2014.06.19 21:08:00 - [17] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: WP for CRUs problem solved 1: That should be for any vehicle 2: Fitting a CRU can be done on any vehicle, so pointless. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Pvt Numnutz Watchdoge Explosives 1513	Posted - 2014.06.19 21:12:00 - [18] - Quote I'd also like to see a MSD (mobile supply depot) module. Land after a push, mercs come over and start restocking their ammo or change fits etc. Can also resupply in the air. Cannot rep vehicles, that would be crazy tho maybe if they had to be landed to have the effects kick in it might work. Pilot would receive team resupply points.
Godin Thekiller The Corporate Raiders 2638	Posted - 2014.06.19 21:16:00 - [19] - Quote Apothecary Za'ki wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Give ways so it's not totally useless like before other than a slight eHP buff. make it tanky as hell but no weapons.. and CRU is a -5% pg/cpu perlevel used on logi dropship while +10% range on logi armor/shield rep per level.. like a flying version of an APC/MAV(if they ever make those) 1: LLV already takes the role as the repper. Giving the LDS repping bonuses would make the LLV pointless, especially since you give it not only that, but also you give it CRU. 2: tanky as hell compared to what? a DS? that's not much even then. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Subject 36 The New Age Outlaws Proficiency V. 132	Posted - 2014.06.20 00:04:00 - [20] - Quote So I'm hearing a yes from most people ... *GÇ£When bad things happen, I know you want to believe they are a joke, but sometimes life is scary and dark." -BMO*



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