Congratulations CCP Rattiti, you have accomplished the dubious distinction of devolving to the old style of patches with merely two under your belt. Actually, I guess you did it in one. Although alpha included multiple fixes for the same thing. No sense in following what you posted, right? Small changes, see the effects and continue on.

Nope. You nerfed the rail gun damage and the damage mods. Four rounds to pop a rail gun turret.

As for armor, the best fit is not triple damage mods. Which I didn't used to run.

Time to play a real game, no need to get kicked around in the dust.

He has fixed more in a month than CCP has in 1 year.

Sad but true!

Oh dear. You can't kill a turret anymore with your cheapass turret? And complaining because the blatantly overpowered damage mods were nerfed?

Much scrub. Wow.

Also, the best fit was 2x damage mods, 1x hardener and some plates.

Which is now rather less viable.

Congratulations CCP Rattiti, you have accomplished the dubious distinction of devolving to the old style of patches with merely two under your belt. Actually, I guess you did it in one. Although alpha included multiple fixes for the same thing. No sense in following what you posted, right? Small changes, see the effects and continue on.

Nope. You nerfed the rail gun damage and the damage mods. Four rounds to pop a rail gun turret.

As for armor, the best fit is not triple damage mods. Which I didn't used to run.

Time to play a real game, no need to get kicked around in the dust.

While I've never been a big fan of the "nerf it all at once" mentality CCP has (See Swarm Launcher Range and Damage nerf in the same go) I think this was called for.

What tanks do you see normally? Because all I see are Railgun tanks.

What do you see when you look at them? I always see a warning that they have a damage amp activated (okay, maybe not always).

In PC (from my limited experiece), the only viable tank is the Railgun tank (maybe a Missile if you're very good with them, but, that's a conversation for another day (Shotgun-reload for Missiles)).

They could do too much, especially with the blanket damage amps.

As to the boo-hoo 4 shots to kill a rail gun turret, thank (whatever you believe in, be it the Devil, God, Vishnu or a chip that looks like a smiley face). Turrets were a non-factor, and will continue to be. You have to take one extra shot to get that 100WP now, tough sh*t.

I can nearly 2 shot turrets with my PLC..no joke

Congratulations CCP Rattiti, you have accomplished the dubious distinction of devolving to the old style of patches with merely two under your belt. Actually, I guess you did it in one. Although alpha included multiple fixes for the same thing. No sense in following what you posted, right? Small changes, see the effects and continue on.

Nope. You nerfed the rail gun damage and the damage mods. Four rounds to pop a rail gun turret.

As for armor, the best fit is not triple damage mods. Which I didn't used to run.

Time to play a real game, no need to get kicked around in the dust.

the turrets would suffer from the same nerf they will be doing less damage as well.

they will be more useless now then they were before.

But stationary turrets aren't useless, they can be beyond helpful if used correctly, in particular hacking one at the opportune time.

Congratulations CCP Rattiti, you have accomplished the dubious distinction of devolving to the old style of patches with merely two under your belt. Actually, I guess you did it in one. Although alpha included multiple fixes for the same thing. No sense in following what you posted, right? Small changes, see the effects and continue on.

Nope. You nerfed the rail gun damage and the damage mods. Four rounds to pop a rail gun turret.

As for armor, the best fit is not triple damage mods. Which I didn't used to run.

Time to play a real game, no need to get kicked around in the dust.

Congratulations CCP Rattiti, you have accomplished the dubious distinction of devolving to the old style of patches with merely two under your belt. Actually, I guess you did it in one. Although alpha included multiple fixes for the same thing. No sense in following what you posted, right? Small changes, see the effects and continue on.

Nope. You nerfed the rail gun damage and the damage mods. Four rounds to pop a rail gun turret.

As for armor, the best fit is not triple damage mods. Which I didn't used to run.

Time to play a real game, no need to get kicked around in the dust.

Highest range should have the lowest damage.

hardeners have been worthless for quite a long time now, especially when fighting rail tanks

Congratulations CCP Rattiti, you have accomplished the dubious distinction of devolving to the old style of patches with merely two under your belt. Actually, I guess you did it in one. Although alpha included multiple fixes for the same thing. No sense in following what you posted, right? Small changes, see the effects and continue on.

Nope. You nerfed the rail gun damage and the damage mods. Four rounds to pop a rail gun turret.

As for armor, the best fit is not triple damage mods. Which I didn't used to run.

Time to play a real game, no need to get kicked around in the dust.

physics disagree.

This is a game not real life..... Balance and gameplay should come before realism.

This is a game not real life..... Balance and gameplay should come before realism.

I'll be using two now.

i.e. I strongly disagree.

So then rail rifles should have a massive decrease in damage since they are one of the longest ranged rifles in game? Not trying to change the subject...

If you knew that tanks were due for a neft why not prepare for it?

not sure f they will be useless now that rails were nerfed, one of the reasons they were useless before was that hardeners did not increase survivability against other rail tanks in any significant way, not worth running them over other mods anyway.

Because over doing it doesn't "FIX" anything. The railgun was OP yes, but only when used in conjunction with damage mods. Other wise, while it could have used a change to the damage to bring it more inline with the other turret types, it doesn't need to be changed in such the big way that it was.

Then there is the issue that damage mods don't have a stacking penalty, really clouding the reality of what was wrong. Meaning there was no draw back to "stacking" multiple damage mods to amplify your damage to levels of the 2 shot.

Then we have reps becoming VERY weak. Basically a complex will provide the same healing as a a basic now. This means stacking multiple reps is far less beneficial in lou of the other options. Which would be, a plate OR a hardener. But let's just consider for a moment the hardener.

At 25% the damn thing is nearly useless as far as providing enough resistances to cut damage from most sources. Or you could stack plates for a large boost of HP, but then you run into issues of PG/CPU, typically limiting you to to caving in and popping a PG upgrade or dropping your utility mods from the tank. And unlike a shield tank, a armor tank NEEDS those reps to maintain their tank, as armor doesn't magically recharge on it's own. Meaning there would be one option, a rep, that CAN'T be left off if you want a fit that will survive more than one engagement.

So you either stack plates (if possible) or hardeners and opt for just a single rep. Or you double rep, and drop a plate on to help mitigate damage. It's already rough actually fitting a maddie, even WITH PROF SKILLS. In my opinion, triple reps WERE NOT OP, except to forms of infantry AV. And that I though could be fixed with a change to how often they provide healing rather than a straight nerf to healing amount across the board.

And what about putting on turrets for a maddie, imagine how ****** the tank would be just to add a few gunners on a maddie that drops in just a few shots as it WILL be lacking in any defenses to accomplish that feat.

You know, it just doesn't make a whole world of sense. People want things to be FIXED so badly, they neglect to even address the real problems associated with them. Tanks are OP, but not all tanks are the same, and addressing them like they are isn't going to fix anything.

The gunnlogi is king atm and WILL REMAIN SO with the proposed changes. As it has the easiest time fitting anything it wants, and armor tanking at the same time.

So then rail rifles should have a massive decrease in damage since they are one of the longest ranged rifles in game? Not trying to change the subject...

you don't need reps on an armor tank, it involves a lot of hit and fades to supply depots, or carrying around a repper on your infantry suit, but you don't need reps for armor tanks.

While true you may not think you don't NEED a repper, but a repper does play a very large part into damage mitigation. And what happens when you come into a situation where a static variable, IE plates coupled with a hardener. Either you outlast your opponent by the sheer amount of HP or you fall and crumble, gambling on speed or that you come against a lesser tanker.

Using a rep gives you valuable damage mitigation, IN BATTLE, and is far superior in my eyes when it comes to maddies. A repper maddie can use cover, terrain, ect, to rep back lost HP where any tanker that chooses not to use one is what I would call "A one hit wonder". Tough, I'll give them that, but unable to stand up to repeated engagement.

My mantra before 1.6 hit was always about this damage mitigation, a combination of your healing power, your tank (HP), and resistances. Stacking one or the other doesn't make for a very versatile, or in my opinion, strong tank.