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Killar-12
The Exemplars
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.06.18 02:52:00 -
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This is to those who know the power of 2-3 HMG Heavies on a letter, Two Suggestions will be given
1) Reduce the HMG's Magazine to 300 Rounds
And
2) Reduce the Maximum Turning speed of the The Heavy
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
79
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Posted - 2014.06.18 11:30:00 -
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1. no. scouts alreayd have an easy time circle strafeing heavys.
2. NO. it already takes like 100 bullets to kill a player as it is.. abotu 150 if its a brick tanked gallente MEDIUM frame.. can take a full 400+ to kill a heavy... and you wont be killing a proto heavy with just 300
ps. use orbitals and/or massdriver supression.. flux nades.. locus nades..sniper support... dropships fireing from above...your just whineing about the only real use heavys have in the game!
Minmatar Logibro in training. Rusty needles anyone?
No Mic and no time for "Squeekers"
Nerf scout cloak+shotgun
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Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p
525
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Posted - 2014.06.18 11:32:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:1. no. scouts alreayd have an easy time circle strafeing heavys.
2. NO. it already takes like 100 bullets to kill a player as it is.. abotu 150 if its a brick tanked gallente MEDIUM frame.. can take a full 400+ to kill a heavy... and you wont be killing a proto heavy with just 300
Lets do the math...
17*100=1700 damage
17*150=2550 damage
17*400=6800 damage
i think that you are exaggerating just a little bit....
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
79
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Posted - 2014.06.18 11:39:00 -
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Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:1. no. scouts alreayd have an easy time circle strafeing heavys.
2. NO. it already takes like 100 bullets to kill a player as it is.. abotu 150 if its a brick tanked gallente MEDIUM frame.. can take a full 400+ to kill a heavy... and you wont be killing a proto heavy with just 300 Lets do the math... 17*100=1700 damage 17*150=2550 damage 17*400=6800 damage i think that you are exaggerating just a little bit....
thats if each and every bullet hits. of which it wont cause no stunlock so they can easly duck for cover or get out of LOS and thats at below 3 meters you get that dps.. above that and dispersal makes you miss shots.. above 15 and your a joke..
its not as bad as shotguns cause they do 900+ in 2 shots to middle mass OHK if head shot..
the HMG is not a good gun to use if you dont wanna be reliant on hives while shotgun is easly superior to the hmg.
now i remember how it was starting out as a newberry heavy.. i was always running out of ammo and the dispersal was maddening.. after skilling up and lowering dispersal which took time and effort thats just like saying FU to the SP spent.. its like how rail rifle has literally no dispersal over level 3 or 4 and yet people dont while about nerfing it..
Minmatar Logibro in training. Rusty needles anyone?
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Nerf scout cloak+shotgun
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Glyd Path
Nec Tributis
121
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Posted - 2014.06.18 11:48:00 -
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How about someone that is not the OP posting this?
Maybe someone exactly like @CCP Rattiti. Unless it is from him, this is just a waste of bits.
Unless whining about heavies because you don't know how to use a grenade or a RE makes you happy. Then by all means. 
Nobody at CCP cares because we ain't Legionnaires.
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
79
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Posted - 2014.06.18 11:55:00 -
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Glyd Path wrote:How about someone that is not the OP posting this? Maybe someone exactly like @CCP Rattiti. Unless it is from him, this is just a waste of bits. Unless whining about heavies because you don't know how to use a grenade or a RE makes you happy. Then by all means.
i run logi most of the time, heavy is just to break up the monotany a little. and yes flux nades and dmg nades and mass drivers are the bane of heavys on a point
Minmatar Logibro in training. Rusty needles anyone?
No Mic and no time for "Squeekers"
Nerf scout cloak+shotgun
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RogueTrooper 2000AD
Neckbeard Absolution
94
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Posted - 2014.06.18 15:11:00 -
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Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:1. no. scouts alreayd have an easy time circle strafeing heavys.
2. NO. it already takes like 100 bullets to kill a player as it is.. abotu 150 if its a brick tanked gallente MEDIUM frame.. can take a full 400+ to kill a heavy... and you wont be killing a proto heavy with just 300 Lets do the math... 17*100=1700 damage 17*150=2550 damage 17*400=6800 damage i think that you are exaggerating just a little bit....
I liken this to working out petrol consumption.
On paper it looks right but there's x amount of variables in real life that skew whiff the hell out of it.
Your math accounts for nothing but two completely std fits with no sp spent and standing still at best.
AT BEST.
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Macchi00
LORD-BRITISH
99
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Posted - 2014.06.18 15:14:00 -
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HMG need effective range nerf.
I love ForgeGun.
I made ForgeGun montage in YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIhuGxfbjSQ
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
14627
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Posted - 2014.06.18 15:40:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:
ScR =764.7dps <--- good at close to medium range and slightly longer ranges like the CR. also has the charged single hit which can be pre-charged and followed up with successive rapid shots.. if anything the Scrambler rifle is the OP weapon you should be bitching about instead.
If you charge volley an SCR, you will get 5 shots after the charge shot.
This will net you a grand total of 520 damage.
Wow, so overpowered.
Also, nobody is getting anywhere near that amount of DPS in normal operation unless they're using a modded controller.
RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote:Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:1. no. scouts alreayd have an easy time circle strafeing heavys.
2. NO. it already takes like 100 bullets to kill a player as it is.. abotu 150 if its a brick tanked gallente MEDIUM frame.. can take a full 400+ to kill a heavy... and you wont be killing a proto heavy with just 300 Lets do the math... 17*100=1700 damage 17*150=2550 damage 17*400=6800 damage i think that you are exaggerating just a little bit.... I liken this to working out petrol consumption. On paper it looks right but there's x amount of variables in real life that skew whiff the hell out of it. Your math accounts for nothing but two completely std fits with no sp spent and standing still at best. AT BEST.
How on earth does a simple sum of how much damage you can get out of a HMG clip at a theoretical maximum give only a vague indication for 'standard fits with no sp spent'?
It's blatantly obvious that Za'ki exaggerated even if you're missing 50% of your shots.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Harpyja
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1870
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Posted - 2014.06.18 16:07:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:1. no. scouts alreayd have an easy time circle strafeing heavys.
2. NO. it already takes like 100 bullets to kill a player as it is.. abotu 150 if its a brick tanked gallente MEDIUM frame.. can take a full 400+ to kill a heavy... and you wont be killing a proto heavy with just 300 Lets do the math... 17*100=1700 damage 17*150=2550 damage 17*400=6800 damage i think that you are exaggerating just a little bit.... thats if each and every bullet hits. of which it wont cause no stunlock so they can easly duck for cover or get out of LOS and thats at below 3 meters you get that dps.. above that and dispersal makes you miss shots.. above 15 and your a joke.. its not as bad as shotguns cause they do 900+ in 2 shots to middle mass OHK if head shot.. the HMG is not a good gun to use if you dont wanna be reliant on hives while shotgun is easly superior to the hmg. now i remember how it was starting out as a newberry heavy.. i was always running out of ammo and the dispersal was maddening.. after skilling up and lowering dispersal which took time and effort thats just like saying FU to the SP spent.. its like how rail rifle has literally no dispersal over level 3 or 4 and yet people dont while about nerfing it.. btw smart guy you need to measure it in DPS not raw dmg count... dmg*RoF/60=dps hmg = 720dps at point blank if all bullets hit. ScR =764.7dps <--- good at close to medium range and slightly longer ranges like the CR. also has the charged single hit which can be pre-charged and followed up with successive rapid shots.. if anything the Scrambler rifle is the OP weapon you should be bitching about instead. CR=540dps good across short to medium and some longer ranges. AR = 420dps but with much greater range RR=361dps with super long range all dps numbers taken from STANDARD weaponry
That's the theoretical max DPS on the ScR... I'm sure many people don't get that high. It also has an overheat so you can't spam it until it runs out of ammo, and charging a shot followed by a rapid volley requires good aim, otherwise you'll miss and you'll end up dancing about with an overheated gun and/or waiting to cooldow
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Velociraptor antirrhopus
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
274
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Posted - 2014.06.18 16:34:00 -
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shotgunners don't even need proto gear to absolutely confound, dance around, and slaughter a proto heavy
it is balanced where it is now. this will RUIN heavies and it's NOT a good idea.
The best idea I've seen was decreasing the RoF as the HMG heats up. That way you'd have to use it a little more semi-automatic than fully.
It's a miracle... I'm tearing heavies apart with my GEK again... tears form in my eyes
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ResistanceGTA
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1321
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Posted - 2014.06.18 16:36:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:This is to those who know the power of 2-3 HMG Heavies on a letter, Two Suggestions will be given
1) Reduce the HMG's Magazine to 300 Rounds
And
2) Reduce the Maximum Turning speed of the The Heavy
Wait... We're using the power of 2 to 3 Heavies on an objective as a means to balance something?
If you find an issue and I stumble upon your thread, I will do my darnedest to get the issue known.
Also, Raptors...
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Rizlax Yazzax
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
316
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Posted - 2014.06.18 16:46:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:1. no. scouts alreayd have an easy time circle strafeing heavys.
2. NO. it already takes like 100 bullets to kill a player as it is.. abotu 150 if its a brick tanked gallente MEDIUM frame.. can take a full 400+ to kill a heavy... and you wont be killing a proto heavy with just 300
ps. use orbitals and/or massdriver supression.. flux nades.. locus nades..sniper support... dropships fireing from above...your just whineing about the only real use heavys have in the game!
So you want people to change tactics depending on the situation at hand? That's just crazy talk! Tactics, in a tactical game? Next you'll be telling me I shouldn't rush in head first guns blazing. Can we just nerf everything instead? As in literal Nerf guns. Then again someone would complain that their's only tickles while someone else's leaves a red mark. |
Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
3747
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Posted - 2014.06.18 16:58:00 -
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Rock, Paper, Scissors
Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
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Killar-12
The Exemplars
Top Men.
2871
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Posted - 2014.06.18 17:58:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:1. no. scouts alreayd have an easy time circle strafeing heavys.
2. NO. it already takes like 100 bullets to kill a player as it is.. abotu 150 if its a brick tanked gallente MEDIUM frame.. can take a full 400+ to kill a heavy... and you wont be killing a proto heavy with just 300
ps. use orbitals and/or massdriver supression.. flux nades.. locus nades..sniper support... dropships fireing from above...your just whineing about the only real use heavys have in the game!
I run heavy I go 20-50/0-10 in Pubs and can keep a letter locked down in PC with damn near no effort, and don't spout bullshit about scouts, I can see that cloaked outline ffs.
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Killar-12
The Exemplars
Top Men.
2871
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Posted - 2014.06.18 18:07:00 -
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Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:shotgunners don't even need proto gear to absolutely confound, dance around, and slaughter a proto heavy
it is balanced where it is now. this will RUIN heavies and it's NOT a good idea.
The best idea I've seen was decreasing the RoF as the HMG heats up. That way you'd have to use it a little more semi-automatic than fully.
So wait... The Weapon gets more acurate as you spool and yet it's RoF goes down? The Devs need to explain why they're not doing clientside patches...
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Appia Vibbia
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
2960
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Posted - 2014.06.18 18:10:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:
I run heavy I go 20-50/0-10 in Pubs and can keep a letter locked down in PC with damn near no effort, and don't spout bullshit about scouts, I can see that cloaked outline ffs.
You just don't understand, Killar, seeing the incredibly obvious outline is something only like the top 10% of players can do.
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Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p
529
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Posted - 2014.06.18 18:30:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:1. no. scouts alreayd have an easy time circle strafeing heavys.
2. NO. it already takes like 100 bullets to kill a player as it is.. abotu 150 if its a brick tanked gallente MEDIUM frame.. can take a full 400+ to kill a heavy... and you wont be killing a proto heavy with just 300 Lets do the math... 17*100=1700 damage 17*150=2550 damage 17*400=6800 damage i think that you are exaggerating just a little bit.... thats if each and every bullet hits. of which it wont cause no stunlock so they can easly duck for cover or get out of LOS and thats at below 3 meters you get that dps.. above that and dispersal makes you miss shots.. above 15 and your a joke.. its not as bad as shotguns cause they do 900+ in 2 shots to middle mass OHK if head shot.. the HMG is not a good gun to use if you dont wanna be reliant on hives while shotgun is easly superior to the hmg. now i remember how it was starting out as a newberry heavy.. i was always running out of ammo and the dispersal was maddening.. after skilling up and lowering dispersal which took time and effort thats just like saying FU to the SP spent.. its like how rail rifle has literally no dispersal over level 3 or 4 and yet people dont while about nerfing it.. btw smart guy you need to measure it in DPS not raw dmg count... dmg*RoF/60=dps hmg = 720dps at point blank if all bullets hit. ScR =764.7dps <--- good at close to medium range and slightly longer ranges like the CR. also has the charged single hit which can be pre-charged and followed up with successive rapid shots.. if anything the Scrambler rifle is the OP weapon you should be bitching about instead. CR=540dps good across short to medium and some longer ranges. AR = 420dps but with much greater range RR=361dps with super long range all dps numbers taken from STANDARD weaponry
You said bullets....smart guy.
Also, if you want to compare to semi auto weapons, you need to use the burst HMG, which has 900+ dps easily
What all Minjas are thinking as they play...
Yellow Heavy, Red Heavy...
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Moguns Ja'Xon
FOUR POINT STAR OF CONQUEST
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Posted - 2014.06.18 18:32:00 -
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1) NO
2) NO
I have a hard time turning as it is. Us heavies are slow as f***. Theres barely any heavies guarding points anymore. Just people with shotguns, ars, and combat rifles. If anything you guys need to put dmg progression on hmgs. 75% of my bullets wont hit you anyways. 85% if youre a scout. Make us slower ? Not no but hell no. I move 3 m/s. 3!!! Why do i got to move even slower cause some scout with a shotgun wants us nerfed ? I suggest putting a charge up on them. In exchange for more dmg or rpms. This would enable you shotgun sissies, combat c***s, and asault a**es to get the drop on us. 3 second charge on basic hmgs. 2 on adv. 1 1/2 on proto. Decrease the heat build up dramatically. I personally want more rpms. 4k+ on all of them. I mean miniguns irl have 9000... Why not make em close to it. Im not saying make it 9000... make it 4k :) Id like to be able to pose an actual threat for once. Im always getting shot by 3 people at once and i take out 2 before the cloaked shotgunner a** r@pes me. Not trying to sound like a d1ck by the way. |
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p
529
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Posted - 2014.06.18 18:32:00 -
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Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:shotgunners don't even need proto gear to absolutely confound, dance around, and slaughter a proto heavy
it is balanced where it is now. this will RUIN heavies and it's NOT a good idea.
The best idea I've seen was decreasing the RoF as the HMG heats up. That way you'd have to use it a little more semi-automatic than fully.
while this is partially true, (not really), heavies don't even need advanced gear
republic HMG+militia heavy frame of choice>=proto scout in a skilless players hands
What all Minjas are thinking as they play...
Yellow Heavy, Red Heavy...
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Killar-12
The Exemplars
Top Men.
2873
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Posted - 2014.06.18 18:38:00 -
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Moguns Ja'Xon wrote:1) NO
2) NO
I have a hard time turning as it is. Us heavies are slow as f***. Theres barely any heavies guarding points anymore. Just people with shotguns, ars, and combat rifles. If anything you guys need to put dmg progression on hmgs. 75% of my bullets wont hit you anyways. 85% if youre a scout. Make us slower ? Not no but hell no. I move 3 m/s. 3!!! Why do i got to move even slower cause some scout with a shotgun wants us nerfed ? I suggest putting a charge up on them. In exchange for more dmg or rpms. This would enable you shotgun sissies, combat c***s, and asault a**es to get the drop on us. 3 second charge on basic hmgs. 2 on adv. 1 1/2 on proto. Decrease the heat build up dramatically. I personally want more rpms. 4k+ on all of them. I mean miniguns irl have 9000... Why not make em close to it. Im not saying make it 9000... make it 4k :) Id like to be able to pose an actual threat for once. Im always getting shot by 3 people at once and i take out 2 before the cloaked shotgunner a** r@pes me. Not trying to sound like a d1ck by the way.
No, You're bad... it's not the suit you're just bad I'd bet...
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Moguns Ja'Xon
FOUR POINT STAR OF CONQUEST
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Posted - 2014.06.18 18:39:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:Moguns Ja'Xon wrote:1) NO
2) NO
I have a hard time turning as it is. Us heavies are slow as f***. Theres barely any heavies guarding points anymore. Just people with shotguns, ars, and combat rifles. If anything you guys need to put dmg progression on hmgs. 75% of my bullets wont hit you anyways. 85% if youre a scout. Make us slower ? Not no but hell no. I move 3 m/s. 3!!! Why do i got to move even slower cause some scout with a shotgun wants us nerfed ? I suggest putting a charge up on them. In exchange for more dmg or rpms. This would enable you shotgun sissies, combat c***s, and asault a**es to get the drop on us. 3 second charge on basic hmgs. 2 on adv. 1 1/2 on proto. Decrease the heat build up dramatically. I personally want more rpms. 4k+ on all of them. I mean miniguns irl have 9000... Why not make em close to it. Im not saying make it 9000... make it 4k :) Id like to be able to pose an actual threat for once. Im always getting shot by 3 people at once and i take out 2 before the cloaked shotgunner a** r@pes me. Not trying to sound like a d1ck by the way. No, You're bad... it's not the suit you're just bad I'd bet...
I avg out 15-5 per battle. Im not bad bud. Bad ? Seriously dude ? And this is coming from the guy whose making heavies sound op... Also coming from a shotgun sissy... |
Killar-12
The Exemplars
Top Men.
2873
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Posted - 2014.06.18 18:45:00 -
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Moguns Ja'Xon wrote:Killar-12 wrote:Moguns Ja'Xon wrote:1) NO
2) NO
I have a hard time turning as it is. Us heavies are slow as f***. Theres barely any heavies guarding points anymore. Just people with shotguns, ars, and combat rifles. If anything you guys need to put dmg progression on hmgs. 75% of my bullets wont hit you anyways. 85% if youre a scout. Make us slower ? Not no but hell no. I move 3 m/s. 3!!! Why do i got to move even slower cause some scout with a shotgun wants us nerfed ? I suggest putting a charge up on them. In exchange for more dmg or rpms. This would enable you shotgun sissies, combat c***s, and asault a**es to get the drop on us. 3 second charge on basic hmgs. 2 on adv. 1 1/2 on proto. Decrease the heat build up dramatically. I personally want more rpms. 4k+ on all of them. I mean miniguns irl have 9000... Why not make em close to it. Im not saying make it 9000... make it 4k :) Id like to be able to pose an actual threat for once. Im always getting shot by 3 people at once and i take out 2 before the cloaked shotgunner a** r@pes me. Not trying to sound like a d1ck by the way. No, You're bad... it's not the suit you're just bad I'd bet... I avg out 15-5 per battle. Im not bad bud. Bad ? Seriously dude ? And this is coming from the guy whose making heavies sound op... Also coming from a shotgun sissy...
I run Heavy, Logi and Scout all in Pub, in PC and in FW, Squad with me later I'll prove what I say,
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Moguns Ja'Xon
FOUR POINT STAR OF CONQUEST
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Posted - 2014.06.18 18:48:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:Moguns Ja'Xon wrote:Killar-12 wrote:Moguns Ja'Xon wrote:1) NO
2) NO
I have a hard time turning as it is. Us heavies are slow as f***. Theres barely any heavies guarding points anymore. Just people with shotguns, ars, and combat rifles. If anything you guys need to put dmg progression on hmgs. 75% of my bullets wont hit you anyways. 85% if youre a scout. Make us slower ? Not no but hell no. I move 3 m/s. 3!!! Why do i got to move even slower cause some scout with a shotgun wants us nerfed ? I suggest putting a charge up on them. In exchange for more dmg or rpms. This would enable you shotgun sissies, combat c***s, and asault a**es to get the drop on us. 3 second charge on basic hmgs. 2 on adv. 1 1/2 on proto. Decrease the heat build up dramatically. I personally want more rpms. 4k+ on all of them. I mean miniguns irl have 9000... Why not make em close to it. Im not saying make it 9000... make it 4k :) Id like to be able to pose an actual threat for once. Im always getting shot by 3 people at once and i take out 2 before the cloaked shotgunner a** r@pes me. Not trying to sound like a d1ck by the way. No, You're bad... it's not the suit you're just bad I'd bet... I avg out 15-5 per battle. Im not bad bud. Bad ? Seriously dude ? And this is coming from the guy whose making heavies sound op... Also coming from a shotgun sissy... I run Heavy, Logi and Scout all in Pub, in PC and in FW, Squad with me later I'll prove what I say,
I dont need to bro. Youre just trying to get us heavies back to being absolute sh*t again. Stop using the "3 heavies guarding an objective" excuse to nerf us. Im strictly heavy. You run all 3 ? Lol i bet youre still running that cloaked shotty half a day :/ |
Killar-12
The Exemplars
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.06.18 18:55:00 -
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Moguns Ja'Xon wrote:Killar-12 wrote:Moguns Ja'Xon wrote:Killar-12 wrote:Moguns Ja'Xon wrote:1) NO
2) NO
I have a hard time turning as it is. Us heavies are slow as f***. Theres barely any heavies guarding points anymore. Just people with shotguns, ars, and combat rifles. If anything you guys need to put dmg progression on hmgs. 75% of my bullets wont hit you anyways. 85% if youre a scout. Make us slower ? Not no but hell no. I move 3 m/s. 3!!! Why do i got to move even slower cause some scout with a shotgun wants us nerfed ? I suggest putting a charge up on them. In exchange for more dmg or rpms. This would enable you shotgun sissies, combat c***s, and asault a**es to get the drop on us. 3 second charge on basic hmgs. 2 on adv. 1 1/2 on proto. Decrease the heat build up dramatically. I personally want more rpms. 4k+ on all of them. I mean miniguns irl have 9000... Why not make em close to it. Im not saying make it 9000... make it 4k :) Id like to be able to pose an actual threat for once. Im always getting shot by 3 people at once and i take out 2 before the cloaked shotgunner a** r@pes me. Not trying to sound like a d1ck by the way. No, You're bad... it's not the suit you're just bad I'd bet... I avg out 15-5 per battle. Im not bad bud. Bad ? Seriously dude ? And this is coming from the guy whose making heavies sound op... Also coming from a shotgun sissy... I run Heavy, Logi and Scout all in Pub, in PC and in FW, Squad with me later I'll prove what I say, I dont need to bro. Youre just trying to get us heavies back to being absolute sh*t again. Stop using the "3 heavies guarding an objective" excuse to nerf us. Im strictly heavy. You run all 3 ? Lol i bet youre still running that cloaked shotty half a day :/
If you'd like I'll invite you to a planetary conquest and we can see this theory that 3 heavies on a letter are easy to remove...
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Alena Ventrallis
The Neutral Zone
Psychotic Alliance
1340
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Posted - 2014.06.18 18:59:00 -
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Reducing turning speed is bad bad bad. We went through this before. Simply increase HMG dispersion.
Calmanndo user with nova knives: Because someone has to do it.
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Moguns Ja'Xon
FOUR POINT STAR OF CONQUEST
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Posted - 2014.06.18 19:18:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:Reducing turning speed is bad bad bad. We went through this before. Simply increase HMG dispersion.
its been done and was a bad idea. |
Killar-12
The Exemplars
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.06.18 20:10:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:Reducing turning speed is bad bad bad. We went through this before. Simply increase HMG dispersion.
Seems like a fair Idea.
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Posted - 2014.06.18 20:14:00 -
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I have been a heavy since chromosome, so I may be a little biased but:
HMG needs a few tweaks. Right now, it rewards spray&pray "tactics" too much. More heat buildup would be welcome. In addition, there needs to be a more significant difference between the normal&assault variants. Perhaps the assault needs to differentiate itself not only in range, damage but in clip/ROF/heat, too. The only variant that has a distinct feel is the burst. We could use more variety.
The resistances are something I have never been a fan of. They are intangible bonuses. I can see and feel the extra rounds in my SMG when I skill into Minmatar assault. I can see and feel the improvements in rep tools when I skilled into Minmatar logistics further. But with my Minmatar Sentinel, the bonus is just sort of there; hidden, regardless of what you put on the suit. I don't feel them. I don't see them.
And never mind the fact that Sentinels already have high HP, so resistances are icing on the cake. Especially for armour tankers, who get more EHP than sheild tankers. So armour tankers get more HP for which the resistances affect. For them, that "icing" is an inch thick.
CCP should move away from non-equip based bonuses. Which is to say: in order to take advantage of your role/racial bonuses, you ought to put on a module/weapon/equipment to get it. They are partially there overall, but heavies are the only class that is exempt from that idea entirely.
Now, I could add a few more things, but typing on a tablet is annoying.
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Posted - 2014.06.18 23:56:00 -
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RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote:Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:1. no. scouts alreayd have an easy time circle strafeing heavys.
2. NO. it already takes like 100 bullets to kill a player as it is.. abotu 150 if its a brick tanked gallente MEDIUM frame.. can take a full 400+ to kill a heavy... and you wont be killing a proto heavy with just 300 Lets do the math... 17*100=1700 damage 17*150=2550 damage 17*400=6800 damage i think that you are exaggerating just a little bit.... I liken this to working out petrol consumption. On paper it looks right but there's x amount of variables in real life that skew whiff the hell out of it. Your math accounts for nothing but two completely std fits with no sp spent and standing still at best. AT BEST.
my math is just the weapon its self with no modifiers and DPS is a better guage for damage output then total damage cause if heavys coudl actually put out the 6800+ dmg with a HMG they would melt tanks and other vehicles.. WOULDNT THEY?! but they dont
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Posted - 2014.06.18 23:57:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:Reducing turning speed is bad bad bad. We went through this before. Simply increase HMG dispersion. Seems like a fair Idea.
more dispersion would lower effective range even more.. but how about if they gave the normal more dispersion while the LONG range varient has less dispersion but less dmg per shot?
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Posted - 2014.06.19 00:15:00 -
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Vicious Minotaur wrote:I have been a heavy since chromosome, so I may be a little biased but:
HMG needs a few tweaks. Right now, it rewards spray&pray "tactics" too much. More heat buildup would be welcome. In addition, there needs to be a more significant difference between the normal&assault variants. Perhaps the assault needs to differentiate itself not only in range, damage but in clip/ROF/heat, too. The only variant that has a distinct feel is the burst. We could use more variety.
The resistances are something I have never been a fan of. They are intangible bonuses. I can see and feel the extra rounds in my SMG when I skill into Minmatar assault. I can see and feel the improvements in rep tools when I skilled into Minmatar logistics further. But with my Minmatar Sentinel, the bonus is just sort of there; hidden, regardless of what you put on the suit. I don't feel them. I don't see them.
And never mind the fact that Sentinels already have high HP, so resistances are icing on the cake. Especially for armour tankers, who get more EHP than sheild tankers. So armour tankers get more HP for which the resistances affect. For them, that "icing" is an inch thick.
CCP should move away from non-equip based bonuses. Which is to say: in order to take advantage of your role/racial bonuses, you ought to put on a module/weapon/equipment to get it. They are partially there overall, but heavies are the only class that is exempt from that idea entirely.
Now, I could add a few more things, but typing on a tablet is annoying.
i strongly disagrree with the turn speed proposition.. and more so with ammo clip decrease.. but the heat issue is debatable as low skilled HMG users burn alot of ammo only trying to kill people which leads to longer bursts or complete thermal overload when trying to clear rooms after you throw a few flux inside.
HMG dosnt really do much VS armor brick tanks and iv had quite a large amount of experience at least 1mSP+ worth of experience (outside of XP events and FROM being full standard fit with standard sentinel suit and HMG)...
so my stance is leave heavy's as they are balanced in the sence iv played heavy alot but played logi (against heavy) more and have no problem taking out heavys with an advanced CR from range or get lucky strafeing..
now strafing with nerfed turn-speed will just make heavy's sitting ducks so that is out.. the problem is the "death taxi's" which i see as legitimate play to compensate for slow movement and short range and now with the buffed RE and PLC should be less of a problem if people played Commando more and used a secondary AV weapon instead of whoring Cal scout or slayer logi(i do not do slayer logi)..
so the problem is perhaps.. acessability to AV weaponry.. the not very fun Commando slot layout(no nades and caldari commando has no lowslot at standard)
the av weaponry is all at level 3 and 4 while the main rifles people use are only level 1 so that is problem 1.. and also peoples selfish way they play and not wanting to harass the death taxi to really shaft the heavy who is riding the LAV..
so TL;DR
make AV weaponry more assessable
improve commandos (possibly grenade slot AND equipment slot)
leave HMG as is
leave turnspeed as is
give a short lockout on LAV 5-10 seconds.
i think that covers it all and if ccp did improve commando i bet people would play it more as its got HP and versatility for frontlining and can stand up to HMG heavy's more, might see a few less scouts, perhaps a few more Minjas(cause of higher alpha then shotty scouts).. then give assaults a second equip slot and a slight hp buff that way they can be comparable or slightly better then scouts
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Posted - 2014.06.19 00:16:00 -
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Moguns Ja'Xon wrote:Killar-12 wrote:Moguns Ja'Xon wrote:1) NO
2) NO
I have a hard time turning as it is. Us heavies are slow as f***. Theres barely any heavies guarding points anymore. Just people with shotguns, ars, and combat rifles. If anything you guys need to put dmg progression on hmgs. 75% of my bullets wont hit you anyways. 85% if youre a scout. Make us slower ? Not no but hell no. I move 3 m/s. 3!!! Why do i got to move even slower cause some scout with a shotgun wants us nerfed ? I suggest putting a charge up on them. In exchange for more dmg or rpms. This would enable you shotgun sissies, combat c***s, and asault a**es to get the drop on us. 3 second charge on basic hmgs. 2 on adv. 1 1/2 on proto. Decrease the heat build up dramatically. I personally want more rpms. 4k+ on all of them. I mean miniguns irl have 9000... Why not make em close to it. Im not saying make it 9000... make it 4k :) Id like to be able to pose an actual threat for once. Im always getting shot by 3 people at once and i take out 2 before the cloaked shotgunner a** r@pes me. Not trying to sound like a d1ck by the way. No, You're bad... it's not the suit you're just bad I'd bet... I avg out 15-5 per battle. Im not bad bud. Bad ? Seriously dude ? And this is coming from the guy whose making heavies sound op... Also coming from a shotgun sissy...
lets not forget how WP starved heavys are!
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Posted - 2014.06.19 00:21:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:This is to those who know the power of 2-3 HMG Heavies on a letter, Two Suggestions will be given
1) Reduce the HMG's Magazine to 300 Rounds
And
2) Reduce the Maximum Turning speed of the The Heavy
Killer is just mad because I tk,-ed him like 30 times in a row
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Posted - 2014.06.19 00:21:00 -
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Macchi00 wrote:HMG need effective range nerf.
finally a sensable person.. how abotu the "short" version still keeps its range but effective is maybe 0m-20m
and the "long" version is like 0m-35m but reduced damage
hey that sounds like how they are already!
ps those ranged i stated were an off the top of my head figure but most of the time i dont like to engage people as a heavy unless they are below 15meters, 5 meters seems optimal so you dont end up over compensating for their movements
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Posted - 2014.06.19 00:24:00 -
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Alternative Idea
Add "spool-up" time to HMG
Shoot scout with yes...
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Apothecary Za'ki
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Posted - 2014.06.19 00:28:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:This is to those who know the power of 2-3 HMG Heavies on a letter, Two Suggestions will be given
1) Reduce the HMG's Magazine to 300 Rounds
And
2) Reduce the Maximum Turning speed of the The Heavy
also if 2 or 3 heavys are on the point they are doing their job and what the sentinel suits were designed to do.
Adapt and thrive.. or dont.. and whine like a little *****
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Posted - 2014.06.19 00:29:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Alternative Idea
Add "spool-up" time to HMG
there is already spoolup on standard HMGs think its .20 or .25(like RR)
though its removed on advanced and higher.
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Posted - 2014.06.19 04:46:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Killar-12 wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:Reducing turning speed is bad bad bad. We went through this before. Simply increase HMG dispersion. Seems like a fair Idea. more dispersion would lower effective range even more.. but how about if they gave the normal more dispersion while the LONG range varient has less dispersion but less dmg per shot?
Honestly the Long Range Version is rarely used, I'd say heat up/mag would be good for the normal because it makes it a burst of opportunity, not spray and pray.
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Posted - 2014.06.19 04:47:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Killar-12 wrote:This is to those who know the power of 2-3 HMG Heavies on a letter, Two Suggestions will be given
1) Reduce the HMG's Magazine to 300 Rounds
And
2) Reduce the Maximum Turning speed of the The Heavy also if 2 or 3 heavys are on the point they are doing their job and what the sentinel suits were designed to do. Adapt and thrive.. or dont.. and whine like a little *****
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Posted - 2014.06.19 22:02:00 -
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noobsniper the 2nd wrote:Killar-12 wrote:This is to those who know the power of 2-3 HMG Heavies on a letter, Two Suggestions will be given
1) Reduce the HMG's Magazine to 300 Rounds
And
2) Reduce the Maximum Turning speed of the The Heavy Killer is just mad because I tk,-ed him like 30 times in a row
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Posted - 2014.06.20 09:57:00 -
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Do heavy users not satisfied if it is not always the strongest?
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Posted - 2014.06.20 10:08:00 -
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Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:1. no. scouts alreayd have an easy time circle strafeing heavys.
2. NO. it already takes like 100 bullets to kill a player as it is.. abotu 150 if its a brick tanked gallente MEDIUM frame.. can take a full 400+ to kill a heavy... and you wont be killing a proto heavy with just 300 Lets do the math... 17*100=1700 damage 17*150=2550 damage 17*400=6800 damage i think that you are exaggerating just a little bit....
and your assuming every bullet hits -_- hmg is fine the way it is i take them out with viziam scr just under 5 seconds due to me strafing like a mad man
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Posted - 2014.06.20 10:25:00 -
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its nonsensical that a heavy can turn just as fast like my assault suit.
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Posted - 2014.06.20 10:25:00 -
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ResistanceGTA wrote:Killar-12 wrote:This is to those who know the power of 2-3 HMG Heavies on a letter, Two Suggestions will be given
1) Reduce the HMG's Magazine to 300 Rounds
And
2) Reduce the Maximum Turning speed of the The Heavy Wait... We're using the power of 2 to 3 Heavies on an objective as a means to balance something?
lmfao, yeah scrub logic a well placed remote puts a end to that or an ads or a TANK!! silly ppl always trying to nerf what kills them
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Posted - 2014.06.20 10:37:00 -
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SAIRAX SIS wrote:Do heavy users not satisfied if it is not always the strongest?
well i imagine thats why they skilled into HEAVY class, so they would have MORE EHP and DAMAGE.
like me i skilled into cal scout for scan percision and if they gave that role to another suit i would be upset too
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