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Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 243	Posted - 2014.06.17 23:33:00 - [1] - Quote It's really getting to the point where it's pathetic. Why is there heavy and scout spam? They just *** released the 3 racial variants. Of course everyone wants to try the new shiny stuff. Why can't you use your Assault suit? Because you're a scrub and you're not doing it right. Minmatar and Amarr are still good, and the Gallente is about to get better with the AR buff. Stop trying to get in heavies and scouts' faces when you're supposed to engage at medium to long range in those suits. I agree Assault could use a slight buff but all they really need is some more HP, and possibly give Caldari a more useful bonus than reload speed. But running around QQing that Scouts and Heavies are OP just because you aren't one of them is really childish and immature. You all can't beat someone because of your lack of skill, and instead of admitting that they are better players than you, you've gotta come on the forum and cry to CCP "I got killed, nerf everything that I don't like!" My thoughts on Hotfix Alpha: First I noticed a scout running from my AR. Then a heavy. Then a COMBAT RIFLE USER. CCP +1
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 45	Posted - 2014.06.17 23:35:00 - [2] - Quote Not sure if trolling Or jimmies rustled. Also Suits aren't designed for medium to long range noob, you're just ******** if you think using a medium should force you to that range. I use hmg's too. It's really op. Choo Choo
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 3948	Posted - 2014.06.17 23:37:00 - [3] - Quote Nerf the Devs! I can't remember which accounts are/aren't banned. So much stupid requiring trollage... I provide a community service, damn it. PSN: The_Rynoceros Destiny beta SoonGäó Console Master Race
Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 243	Posted - 2014.06.17 23:37:00 - [4] - Quote duster 35000 wrote: Not sure if trolling Or jimmies rustled. Jeremy, your jimmies are always rustled on these forums. My thoughts on Hotfix Alpha: First I noticed a scout running from my AR. Then a heavy. Then a COMBAT RIFLE USER. CCP +1
Vapor Forseti Nyain Chan General Tso's Alliance 590	Posted - 2014.06.17 23:40:00 - [5] - Quote duster 35000 wrote: Not sure if trolling Or jimmies rustled. Also Suits aren't designed for medium to long range noob, you're just ******** if you think using a medium should force you to that range. I use hmg's too. It's really op. My sweet jerrmy. My poor, sweet jerrmy. pâ¬péñpâòpâ½pü«tÄïpü½pü¬péïpÇé --pâ¬pâùpâ¬pâ+pâ¬péñpâ¬pâ+ `NyainChan Forever`
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 46	Posted - 2014.06.17 23:40:00 - [6] - Quote Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: duster 35000 wrote: Not sure if trolling Or jimmies rustled. Jeremy, your jimmies are always rustled on these forums. Says the kid qq'ing not to nerf his crutch. Choo Choo
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1448	Posted - 2014.06.17 23:41:00 - [7] - Quote duster 35000 wrote: Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: duster 35000 wrote: Not sure if trolling Or jimmies rustled. Jeremy, your jimmies are always rustled on these forums. Says the kid qq'ing not to nerf his crutch. CCP Rattati wrote: I like the deadliness of a heavy hmg as it is right now. If we were to reduce its efficiency in a future hotfix, it would most likely be to heat since that rewards skill and not spray and pray. Improving the assault is then my preferred counter to heavies, not nerfing heavies, most likely through racial tanking improvements, pure damage output and regen. Just my general thoughts on the subject. Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Michael Arck 4699	Posted - 2014.06.17 23:41:00 - [8] - Quote duster 35000 wrote: Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: duster 35000 wrote: Not sure if trolling Or jimmies rustled. Jeremy, your jimmies are always rustled on these forums. Says the kid qq'ing not to nerf his crutch. Man, you cry about everything on these forums. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 46	Posted - 2014.06.17 23:42:00 - [9] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: duster 35000 wrote: Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: duster 35000 wrote: Not sure if trolling Or jimmies rustled. Jeremy, your jimmies are always rustled on these forums. Says the kid qq'ing not to nerf his crutch. Man, you cry about everything on these forums. The op is crying not me. Choo Choo
I-Shayz-I I-----I 3697	Posted - 2014.06.17 23:43:00 - [10] - Quote The most annoying weapon in this game is the RR. I hate it so much whenever I die by one, especially when it's a basic RR from 500 ***** meters away. But I don't complain on the forums asking for a nerf. If anything, the RR is now quite balanced and I have accepted that. It's just that if you're going to be THAT *** who sits there on the hill, on the pipes, on the ledge, with your 100 meter range weapon killing me every time I dip below 200 armor after I just killed 5 guys rushing the objective... It pisses me off. They didn't deserve that kill, I have no way to fight back, and because of the way that the game renders the RR round (and because of your massive distance away from me), I have almost no way of telling where the you are or how I'm supposed to counter you. Still isn't a reason for a nerf. And just because someone gets too close to an HMG and doesn't understand why their puny weapon couldn't kill that heavy in the HMG's OPTIMAL RANGE, doesn't mean that the HMG nor the sentinel needs to be nerfed. ugh. Some people. 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!**

duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 46	Posted - 2014.06.17 23:44:00 - [11] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: The most annoying weapon in this game is the RR. I hate it so much whenever I die by one, especially when it's a basic RR from 500 ***** meters away. But I don't complain on the forums asking for a nerf. If anything, the RR is now quite balanced and I have accepted that. It's just that if you're going to be THAT *** who sits there on the hill, on the pipes, on the ledge, with your 100 meter range weapon killing me every time I dip below 200 armor after I just killed 5 guys rushing the objective... It pisses me off. They didn't deserve that kill, I have no way to fight back, and because of the way that the game renders the RR round (and because of your massive distance away from me), I have almost no way of telling where the ** you are or how I'm supposed to counter you. Still isn't a reason for a nerf. And just because someone gets too close to an HMG and doesn't understand why their puny weapon couldn't kill that heavy in the HMG's OPTIMAL RANGE, doesn't mean that the HMG nor the sentinel needs to be nerfed. ugh. Some people. The rr is more balanced than the hmg tbh Choo Choo
Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 244	Posted - 2014.06.17 23:48:00 - [12] - Quote There's a difference between a crutch and a WEAPON YOU'VE SUNK MILLIONS OF SP INTO and CAN'T USE ANYTHING ELSE. Heavies die SO easily, even within their optimal. Listen, I've killed these people you're talking about "omg we still cant do it at 40 meters." This is what you're doing wrong: Standing in the open, where not only I can shoot you but everyone on my team can. USE COVER. Standing directly in front of me in a hallway. Rushing at me like a chicken with your head cut off. This is what the people who KILL ME ARE DOING: Using cover Sticking to their optimal engagement range Either a heavy has a logi and I don't, he caught me when I was low on HP, or I didn't engage him correctly Running around like a moron in front of a heavy is like trying to say "waah, CCP I die when I enter a killzone" it's like no ****, really? We all do. My thoughts on Hotfix Alpha: First I noticed a scout running from my AR. Then a heavy. Then a COMBAT RIFLE USER. CCP +1
Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 246	Posted - 2014.06.17 23:57:00 - [13] - Quote Oh and by the way? I don't care if they tone down the HMG a little bit. Because I'm still going to kill you with it, I'm not a skill-less crutch using heavy, I'm the kind of heavy that slaughters all the other heavies single handedly which you would call "heavy spam." They nerfed most of the light weapons, so it wouldn't bother me that much if they lowered the HMG damage a little bit. But you need to understand that the Shotgun was also not nerfed (much) in 1.8, and that it needs to be proportionally changed along with the HMG if said change even happens at all. The solution to your problem isn't "nerf the hell out of the HMG dat **** is OP bro." It's oh, well why don't we increase the dispersion a little so it's even less effective at medium range? We really need that thing to instantly melt scouts. Because if we don't, the scout is going to instantly MELT US. My thoughts on Hotfix Alpha: First I noticed a scout running from my AR. Then a heavy. Then a COMBAT RIFLE USER. CCP +1
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 46	Posted - 2014.06.18 00:03:00 - [14] - Quote Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: Oh and by the way? I don't care if they tone down the HMG a little bit. Because I'm still going to kill you with it, I'm not a skill-less crutch using heavy, I'm the kind of heavy that slaughters all the other heavies single handedly which you would call "heavy spam." They nerfed most of the light weapons, so it wouldn't bother me that much if they lowered the HMG damage a little bit. But you need to understand that the Shotgun was also not nerfed (much) in 1.8, and that it needs to be proportionally changed along with the HMG if said change even happens at all. The solution to your problem isn't "nerf the hell out of the HMG dat **** is OP bro." It's oh, well why don't we increase the dispersion a little so it's even less effective at medium range? We really need that thing to instantly melt scouts. Because if we don't, the scout is going to instantly MELT US. Nah, its rpm needs to go down to 2k and not 2.4k That will fix it. Choo Choo
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 46	Posted - 2014.06.18 00:04:00 - [15] - Quote Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: There's a difference between a crutch and a WEAPON YOU'VE SUNK MILLIONS OF SP INTO and CAN'T USE ANYTHING ELSE. . That's your fault and no one elses. Now stop bitching your gun needs a rebalance. Choo Choo
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 3849	Posted - 2014.06.18 00:07:00 - [16] - Quote But balance is when you adjust certain things. The term nerf is just when one side of the scale gets things removed/lessened. A buff is when things are added to the other side. Balance overall no matter if it's nerf or buff, if propelled in the right direction, improves said object So if no one cried nerf, we'd be on a perpetual buff scale and we'd have a ceilingless damage, HP, speed, etc. Nerfing is sometimes easier than buffing everything around it. I'm not resting in peace but rather wandering as a zombie in vengeance of no good reason
Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 247	Posted - 2014.06.18 00:07:00 - [17] - Quote I have yet to see anything that really impresses me or is even remotely based upon logic. That is why I'm annoyed with what I see you people saying. ****, I think I'd better make a Features and Ideas thread about this... My thoughts on Hotfix Alpha: First I noticed a scout running from my AR. Then a heavy. Then a COMBAT RIFLE USER. CCP +1
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 3849	Posted - 2014.06.18 00:09:00 - [18] - Quote Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: I have yet to see anything that really impresses me or is even remotely based upon logic. That is why I'm annoyed with what I see you people saying. ****, I think I'd better make a Features and Ideas thread about this... I gave a neutral statement that reflects the truth not written to impress I was just making sure you understood how balance works I'm not resting in peace but rather wandering as a zombie in vengeance of no good reason
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 46	Posted - 2014.06.18 00:14:00 - [19] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: I have yet to see anything that really impresses me or is even remotely based upon logic. That is why I'm annoyed with what I see you people saying. ****, I think I'd better make a Features and Ideas thread about this... I gave a neutral statement that reflects the truth not written to impress I was just making sure you understood how balance works In the words of the careless KThxbai! Choo Choo
Aisha Ctarl Praetoriani Classiarii Templares 4914	Posted - 2014.06.18 00:21:00 - [20] - Quote Coming out or retirement to post on your thread. Sentinels and HMG are EZ MOAD/OP /thread Aisha has spoken. Scrambling brains since 5/14/13

Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1451	Posted - 2014.06.18 00:23:00 - [21] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Coming out or retirement to post on your thread. Sentinels and HMG are EZ MOAD/OP /thread Aisha has spoken. Someone MUCH higher then you has spoken CCP Rattati wrote: I like the deadliness of a heavy hmg as it is right now. If we were to reduce its efficiency in a future hotfix, it would most likely be to heat since that rewards skill and not spray and pray. Improving the assault is then my preferred counter to heavies, not nerfing heavies, most likely through racial tanking improvements, pure damage output and regen. Just my general thoughts on the subject. Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Soldier of Mawat Altyr Initiative 227	Posted - 2014.06.18 00:23:00 - [22] - Quote Lets not forget that for those heavies who are only specced into HMGs they are at a disadvantage on like 25% of the maps. When I'm on my heavy alt and see the map I'll be playing on I know right away whether I'll have a tough time or not. Some of the maps are just too open for heavies to be able to get close enough to be 100% effective. All the other suits don't have this issue because of their speed and the fact that most light weapons out range the HMG.
Michael Arck 4701	Posted - 2014.06.18 00:25:00 - [23] - Quote So what is "hard mode" aka "its hard but respectable amongst my peers", then? Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Aisha Ctarl Praetoriani Classiarii Templares 4914	Posted - 2014.06.18 00:26:00 - [24] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Coming out or retirement to post on your thread. Sentinels and HMG are EZ MOAD/OP /thread Aisha has spoken. Someone MUCH higher then you has spoken CCP Rattati wrote: I like the deadliness of a heavy hmg as it is right now. If we were to reduce its efficiency in a future hotfix, it would most likely be to heat since that rewards skill and not spray and pray. Improving the assault is then my preferred counter to heavies, not nerfing heavies, most likely through racial tanking improvements, pure damage output and regen. Just my general thoughts on the subject. Rattati's opinion has been noted but still does not change my opinion Scrambling brains since 5/14/13
Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 248	Posted - 2014.06.18 00:28:00 - [25] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Coming out or retirement to post on your thread. Sentinels and HMG are EZ MOAD/OP /thread Aisha has spoken. ~~You really make yourself sound like a competent, logical person in this discussion.~~ My thoughts on Hotfix Alpha: First I noticed a scout running from my AR. Then a heavy. Then a COMBAT RIFLE USER. CCP +1
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3590	Posted - 2014.06.18 01:09:00 - [26] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Coming out or retirement to post on your thread. Sentinels and HMG are EZ MOAD/OP /thread Aisha has spoken. Someone MUCH higher then you has spoken CCP Rattati wrote: I like the deadliness of a heavy hmg as it is right now. If we were to reduce its efficiency in a future hotfix, it would most likely be to heat since that rewards skill and not spray and pray. Improving the assault is then my preferred counter to heavies, not nerfing heavies, most likely through racial tanking improvements, pure damage output and regen. Just my general thoughts on the subject. "Improving the assault is my preferred counter" = currently there is no counter = currently the HMG is OP. CCP Rattati Best Dev AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5 CalLogi, you're next!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10732	Posted - 2014.06.18 01:11:00 - [27] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Aisha Ctarl wrote: Coming out or retirement to post on your thread. Sentinels and HMG are EZ MOAD/OP /thread Aisha has spoken. Someone MUCH higher then you has spoken CCP Rattati wrote: I like the deadliness of a heavy hmg as it is right now. If we were to reduce its efficiency in a future hotfix, it would most likely be to heat since that rewards skill and not spray and pray. Improving the assault is then my preferred counter to heavies, not nerfing heavies, most likely through racial tanking improvements, pure damage output and regen. Just my general thoughts on the subject. "Improving the assault is my preferred counter" = currently there is no counter = currently the HMG is OP. Laser Rifle or Tank Lorhak, Get good. "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
J4yne C0bb Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 378	Posted - 2014.06.18 01:20:00 - [28] - Quote Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: Oh and by the way? I don't care if they tone down the HMG a little bit. Because I'm still going to kill you with it, I'm not a skill-less crutch using heavy, I'm the kind of heavy that slaughters all the other heavies single handedly which you would call "heavy spam." They nerfed most of the light weapons, so it wouldn't bother me that much if they lowered the HMG damage a little bit. But you need to understand that the Shotgun was also not nerfed (much) in 1.8, and that it needs to be proportionally changed along with the HMG if said change even happens at all. The solution to your problem isn't "nerf the hell out of the HMG dat **** is OP bro." It's oh, well why don't we increase the dispersion a little so it's even less effective at medium range? We really need that thing to instantly melt scouts. Because if we don't, the scout is going to instantly MELT US. Yes, all true. I like your thoughts re: the shotgun vs. hmg. And I take issue with players thinking the heavy is a crutch; makes me wonder how many of them have actually tried the role. Or played it solo and done well without logi support. Dust 514... another leaf on the wind. PSN ID: B16D4mnHer0
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 3850	Posted - 2014.06.18 01:43:00 - [29] - Quote J4yne C0bb wrote: Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: Oh and by the way? I don't care if they tone down the HMG a little bit. Because I'm still going to kill you with it, I'm not a skill-less crutch using heavy, I'm the kind of heavy that slaughters all the other heavies single handedly which you would call "heavy spam." They nerfed most of the light weapons, so it wouldn't bother me that much if they lowered the HMG damage a little bit. But you need to understand that the Shotgun was also not nerfed (much) in 1.8, and that it needs to be proportionally changed along with the HMG if said change even happens at all. The solution to your problem isn't "nerf the hell out of the HMG dat **** is OP bro." It's oh, well why don't we increase the dispersion a little so it's even less effective at medium range? We really need that thing to instantly melt scouts. Because if we don't, the scout is going to instantly MELT US. Yes, all true. I like your thoughts re: the shotgun vs. hmg. . OK Flaw Shotgun is not scout only weapon : Realistically they merely use it better HMG is heavy only weapon Heavies can use shotgun too if they think so high and mighty of it Shotgun range is like 1/6 of the HMG? Both have spread, shotgun cone has a wider degree Shotgun damage profile -10% Armor +10% shields HMG damage profile -5% shields +10% Armor Compare those profiles to HP ceilings of Shield versus Armor Semi Auto versus Automatic versus hit detection versus RoF Shotgun is absolutely not to be compared to the HMG and I don't even use the shotgun. Those are just disparities on paper I'm sure my counterparts can give experience detail on each of those and take it further. But just please do not even bring the shotgun up it has nothing to do with the way the HMG works. If a scout could hold an HMG over a shotgun do you think they'd even touch the shotgun? No one wants to "nerf da hell outta dat HMG" but acknowledge the power a heavy wields needs to be just and powerful not unjust and powerful. The degree of power is the concern; we want Uranium Bomb not Hydrogen Bomb I'm not resting in peace but rather wandering as a zombie in vengeance of no good reason
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3493	Posted - 2014.06.18 03:24:00 - [30] - Quote Welcome to the Dust forums. You appear to be new here. Resistance is futile. You will soon (and, let's be honest, already have) learn to QQ about what just killed you and be assimilated into the "meta game" collective. (The godfather of tactical logistics) Quitting cold turkey was impossible. The forum patch is helping me kick the habit

Lea Silencio 0uter.Heaven 1478	Posted - 2014.06.18 03:31:00 - [31] - Quote Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: It's really getting to the point where it's pathetic. Why is there heavy and scout spam? They just *** released the 3 racial variants. Of course everyone wants to try the new shiny stuff. Why can't you use your Assault suit? Because you're a scrub and you're not doing it right. Minmatar and Amarr are still good, and the Gallente is about to get better with the AR buff. Stop trying to get in heavies and scouts' faces when you're supposed to engage at medium to long range in those suits. I agree Assault could use a slight buff but all they really need is some more HP, and possibly give Caldari a more useful bonus than reload speed. But running around QQing that Scouts and Heavies are OP just because you aren't one of them is really childish and immature. You all can't beat someone because of your lack of skill, and instead of admitting that they are better players than you, you've gotta come on the forum and cry to CCP "I got killed, nerf everything that I don't like!" Who are you again? PurificationGäó It's what I do. Amarr Victor
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10744	Posted - 2014.06.18 03:39:00 - [32] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Welcome to the Dust forums. You appear to be new here. Resistance is futile. You will soon (and, let's be honest, already have) learn to QQ about what just killed you and be assimilated into the "meta game" collective. Come on John you know after a good year and a half we have come to have certain expectations that unfortunately were not able to be met despite posturing that those promises could be met. Player base has a right to be angry, but can't really because they are dependant on CCP not pulling the plug on Legion. "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3493	Posted - 2014.06.18 04:07:00 - [33] - Quote True Adamance wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Welcome to the Dust forums. You appear to be new here. Resistance is futile. You will soon (and, let's be honest, already have) learn to QQ about what just killed you and be assimilated into the "meta game" collective. Come on John you know after a good year and a half we have come to have certain expectations that unfortunately were not able to be met despite posturing that those promises could be met. Player base has a right to be angry, but can't really because they are dependant on CCP not pulling the plug on Legion. I know all too well. (Please bow your heads in a moment of silence for the Amarr heavy laz0r or light AV weapon we will never get to use) Just having some fun with the OP/noobs; Someone suddenly popping up now of all times and saying "hey, this QQ about nerfing things all of a sudden needs to stop" struck me as pretty funny. Without the QQ there would be like one thread a day here, lol. After all, What I also know after all this time is that "nerf what killed me" is like the motto of these forums. For every Kagehoshi, judge Rhadamanthus, or even you and I there are a dozen spkr's or nouveau cloaked shotty scouts who care only about their own performance and don't even know the meaning of the word balance. (The godfather of tactical logistics) Quitting cold turkey was impossible. The forum patch is helping me kick the habit
pyramidhead 420 Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 546	Posted - 2014.06.18 05:43:00 - [34] - Quote Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: It's really getting to the point where it's pathetic. Why is there heavy and scout spam? They just *** released the 3 racial variants. Of course everyone wants to try the new shiny stuff. Why can't you use your Assault suit? Because you're a scrub and you're not doing it right. Minmatar and Amarr are still good, and the Gallente is about to get better with the AR buff. Stop trying to get in heavies and scouts' faces when you're supposed to engage at medium to long range in those suits. I agree Assault could use a slight buff but all they really need is some more HP, and possibly give Caldari a more useful bonus than reload speed. But running around QQing that Scouts and Heavies are OP just because you aren't one of them is really childish and immature. You all can't beat someone because of your lack of skill, and instead of admitting that they are better players than you, you've gotta come on the forum and cry to CCP "I got killed, nerf everything that I don't like!" awww, look at the noob growing up. hes finally seeing how poop this game is and how trashy the community of a few hundred players is. this game is like ******, it feels good while you're doing it, but its really dirty and everyone around you is looking down on you for using it. you need a game intervention. try the destiny alpha, its 100x the game this will ever be....now or ever.
Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 254	Posted - 2014.06.18 05:47:00 - [35] - Quote Heeeeere's johnny... No you idiot. They just haven't talked about the heavy AT ALL in a long time, I think now that the necessary evils have been changed they're shifting sights to their next QQ target. My thoughts on Hotfix Alpha: First I noticed a scout running from my AR. Then a heavy. Then a COMBAT RIFLE USER. CCP +1
dzizur 6 dayz 39	Posted - 2014.06.18 11:02:00 - [36] - Quote uhmm.. yeah right.. I play a heavy very rarely (buying hmg's from loyalty store) and must admit that being so slow/immobile can be a serious drawback. That's why I know that when I'm playing my main role (scout) I should NEVER be <30 meters from heavy when he is facing me 'cause i'll get melted and I think it's the way it should be, thats his role, melt everything close enough and stupid enough to pop out in front of your face. As to QQ about cloaked scouts I made a 12 k shotgun fit (thats because I was runninng low on ISK using dropships) WITHOUT the darn cloak (which is a broken POS - good luck running after activating/deactivating it unless your reflexes are on chess player level) and got lots of hatemail for being a shotgun clacker... so yeah, cloak plus shotgun sooooo OP. Honestly, I know the decloak animation is bugged, but if that shotty lame is running straight at you in a cloak you surely see him, when he was running behind your back... you wouldn't see him anyway. EDIT: Okay, so i forgot about the main thing, lol. I think there should be a QQ forum to which all those topics are moved.
Baal Omniscient Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 1724	Posted - 2014.06.18 11:57:00 - [37] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: So what is "hard mode" aka "its hard but respectable amongst my peers", then? Minassault, non-cloaked Minja knifer. Oddly..... that's mostly what I run.... PSN ID: AlbelNox2569 Cross Atu for CPM1
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3496	Posted - 2014.06.18 13:38:00 - [38] - Quote Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: Heeeeere's johnny... No you idiot. They just haven't talked about the heavy AT ALL in a long time, I think now that the necessary evils have been changed they're shifting sights to their next QQ target. The only problem with that statement is that it's not true. There's been a certain level of HMG QQ since they hotfixed it back in... I want to say December, inbetween 1.7 and 1.8. It just got tamped down once the rise of the scouts. You will be glad to know, though, that I don't disagree with you about HMG sentinels. They are supposed to be CQC killing machines than you can only beat 1v1 in 2 scenarios: - From range. The outer range of the CR is about the closest you should get. My LR fears no sentinel, though I'm quite sure the reverse is not true. - If you can sneak up on them with a shotgun or RE's Otherwise they should pretty much always win 1v1. Not that there aren't some issues. For example, the LAV drive-by is too effective. LAV's are too hard to kill for a "light" vehicle, and you can't shoot the driver out of it like you used to. Fatties can also get in and out implausibly quickly. The suits/weapons are also a little too cheap now, just like tanks. (The godfather of tactical logistics) Quitting cold turkey was impossible. The forum patch is helping me kick the habit
Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 273	Posted - 2014.06.18 16:02:00 - [39] - Quote By the way I just got slaughtered in proto stomps with my proto heavy and a proto logi on me. I fought hard and did well, but those goddamn long range weapons just tear us apart. Even at medium range, which the whole forum is QQing about. Oh, and I got WRECKED in my proto by an advanced shotgunner, and I thought of the turning speed nerf. NO. NERFING TURN SPEED IS BAD... like painting a giant red dot on our heads that says "Shotgun goes here" It's a miracle... I'm tearing heavies apart with my GEK again... tears form in my eyes
Baal Omniscient Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 1730	Posted - 2014.06.18 20:59:00 - [40] - Quote Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: "Shotgun goes here" I'm actually semi-surprised I haven't seen anyone make a character with this name yet... PSN ID: AlbelNox2569 Cross Atu for CPM1

Powerh8er Ganking Jugend 447	Posted - 2014.06.18 23:41:00 - [41] - Quote " im superfast and leet in my gallente scout suit with combat rifle, killing every scrub i see. oh no, a wild heavy messed my kdr up a bit, its so unbalanced for me!"
deezy dabest Sacred Initiative of Combat Killers 639	Posted - 2014.06.19 16:28:00 - [42] - Quote Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: Minmatar and Amarr are still good, and the Gallente is about to get better with the AR buff. Stop trying to get in heavies and scouts' faces when you're supposed to engage at medium to long range in those suits. I agree this is a hard lesson to learn but once I hit L3 Amarr assault and L3 ScR prof along with having spent the time playing with it there are many maps where I can get just as many kills with my Templar ScR as I do with my basic hmg (l5 sentinel / l5 prof). If all the assault suits got a 1-2 hp/s built in repair rate so that people can fit them with a little more diversity we would probably see more and more out there. Laser focused in a room full of mirrors. Everything you ever wanted coming SoonGäó just keep buying boosters.
Heimdallr69 Nyain San 2598	Posted - 2014.06.19 17:29:00 - [43] - Quote QQ Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro


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