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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.06.17 22:18:00 -
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Then by that logic is it fair to say Jihad Jeeps are a broken tactic.....which they are.
"You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength."
-Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.06.17 22:43:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:True Adamance wrote:Then by that logic is it fair to say Jihad Jeeps are a broken tactic.....which they are. They are, but they are also a solution to the broken relationship between tanks and AV. And tanks can blow them up pretty quickly if they are aware of them. Even if a scout in the open knows the heavy/lav is coming, and I have been there, there are no counters. Period.
Oh don't I know how broken the Av vs HAV situation is. I'll be the first to admit that.
But one broken relationship should not require another broken relationship to counter. Resolving that initial relationship is what should be of primary concern.
HAV power should be broken down in SP sink skills, and AV should have a slight buff.
At low SP investment AV regardless of tier would destroy easily MLT and poorly skilled HAV. At moderate investments like mine, it would be more difficult requiring higher tier AV, and at 25+ Million in HAV we get current tank efficiencies. Very difficult to destroy without the correct applicationof force or and OB...(because really all OB should blow up tanks....except Siege Mode Maruaders...yes I do want those).
"You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength."
-Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.06.17 23:03:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:True Adamance wrote:One Eyed King wrote:True Adamance wrote:Then by that logic is it fair to say Jihad Jeeps are a broken tactic.....which they are. They are, but they are also a solution to the broken relationship between tanks and AV. And tanks can blow them up pretty quickly if they are aware of them. Even if a scout in the open knows the heavy/lav is coming, and I have been there, there are no counters. Period. Oh don't I know how broken the Av vs HAV situation is. I'll be the first to admit that. But one broken relationship should not require another broken relationship to counter. Resolving that initial relationship is what should be of primary concern. HAV power should be broken down in SP sink skills, and AV should have a slight buff. At low SP investment AV regardless of tier would destroy easily MLT and poorly skilled HAV. At moderate investments like mine, it would be more difficult requiring higher tier AV, and at 25+ Million in HAV we get current tank efficiencies. Very difficult to destroy without the correct applicationof force or and OB...(because really all OB should blow up tanks....except Siege Mode Maruaders...yes I do want those). It was fun sitting under OB's before................ 
Yeah but lets be real about this.
A frigate on average is 50m across its longest axis, and its guns are probably the size of our HAV's with significantly more force and energy behind them.
Even glancing OB's really should be destroying us, flipping us over, irrevocably damaging systems.
"You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength."
-Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
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Posted - 2014.06.17 23:30:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:True Adamance wrote:
But one broken relationship should not require another broken relationship to counter. Resolving that initial relationship is what should be of primary concern.
I agree. However, if there are two broken mechanics that balance one another, you can't simply remove one and not the other as well without creating even greater imbalance.
I see your point but we shouldn't accept that one broken relationship should exist let alone two, and consider the second any more or less fair than the first.
"You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength."
-Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
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Posted - 2014.06.17 23:46:00 -
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Boot Booter wrote:I love how everyone uses this opportunity to not actually discuss or debate the topic the OP presented. Just sad.
Heavies in LAVs is an issue with very little counter for infantry. It's a cheap tactic which provides high reward with little risk (granted this varies by map). If you were to show this tactic to someone outside of dust they'd think that it was incredibly unfair due to the unrealistic vehicle enter/exit mechanic and the incredible 1v1 CQC ability of heavies.
Saying "dude its a part of the game, therefore it's fine" is just plain stupid and doesn't justify the use. For example, in the days of the murder taxi we had literally invisible cars which could instantly kill infantry at nearly any speed. Was the response from the community HTFU it's a part of the game? No. It was ******* remove this piece of **** cheap ass ******* stupid tactic that sucks complete balls.
As for a fix for "drive by heavies" in the current dust hot fix iteration I am honestly at a loss of what to do. I have always suggested enter and exit animations but now that's out. AV grenades nerf hit hard on preventing this tactic. Swarms are still useless. I have tried peer pressuring losers who do this but obviously that never works. If there was a way of instigating a small time delay (1 second perhaps) before you could fire, after exiting a vehicle, it might go a long way towards a solution.
Actually was going to try out being a drive by heavy last night in squad to see what the fuss was all about.
Ended up becoming a Confederate Soldier instead.....its rough out there when all those cowards use automatic weapons and tanks.....
"You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength."
-Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
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Posted - 2014.06.17 23:56:00 -
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One Eyed King wrote:True Adamance wrote:One Eyed King wrote:True Adamance wrote:
But one broken relationship should not require another broken relationship to counter. Resolving that initial relationship is what should be of primary concern.
I agree. However, if there are two broken mechanics that balance one another, you can't simply remove one and not the other as well without creating even greater imbalance. I see your point but we shouldn't accept that one broken relationship should exist let alone two, and consider the second any more or less fair than the first. I agree that we shouldn't accept them, but I find the Jihad Jeeps less often than the tank spam. I wouldn't say its truly fair, but I am not terribly upset when a small unfairness takes out a bigger unfairness. I think its a different story if used against infantry.
Unfairness that no only affects infantry and Jihad Jeepists.....but also skilled tankers. When you are in an environment where ADS can skill stack, Jihads can OHKO you, and every jackass and their mother can invalidate millions of your SP through MLT modules you really see Jihad Jeeps for what they are.
Tank Seeking Missiles that can be incredibly hard to destroy. I mean lets be honest...Jihading isn't hard, spent last night driving in circles armour a Gunlogi with no remotes on before driving head first into him to prove my point.
But back on topic......
"You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength."
-Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
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