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Sum1ne Else G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 1207	Posted - 2014.06.16 15:05:00 - [1] - Quote Impressive? Longest PLC Kill 151.8m - OHK on a Heavy < < < Logi mk.0 - Commando gk.0 - Scout gk.0 - Sentinal ck.0
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1405	Posted - 2014.06.16 15:13:00 - [2] - Quote THEY ALREADY HAVE THEM!!! It's called a SG and it has the same amount of DPS as a HMG... Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Bax Zanith 154	Posted - 2014.06.16 15:22:00 - [3] - Quote Yes. Scouts will have a HMG in there equipment slots that they can place down, that HMG will swivel on a stand and act like a blaster installation. They didn't die from the cold without They died from the cold within. - James Patrick Kinney
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 14554	Posted - 2014.06.16 15:28:00 - [4] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: THEY ALREADY HAVE THEM!!! It's called a SG and it has the same amount of DPS as a HMG... Except it has an eighth of the range, a worse damage profile, won't actually reach paper DPS because it's semiautomatic, doesn't have a working spread, actually requires aiming, is less reliable due to lower RoF, and has a shorter absolute range than your optimal. Oh, and it still doesn't have as much DPS as the HMG. But other than all that you're right, it's just like a scout with a HMG! You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1917	Posted - 2014.06.16 15:29:00 - [5] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: THEY ALREADY HAVE THEM!!! It's called a SG and it has the same amount of DPS as a HMG... Protofits says ... not quite: Standard: 828 vs 788.53 Advanced: 869.4 vs 827.96 Prototype: 867.39 vs 910.8 In all cases, HMG > Shotgun by roughly 4.5%. I second your motion to buff Shotgun DPS by 4.5% and extend their effective range from 4.9 meters to 50 meters. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1406	Posted - 2014.06.16 15:34:00 - [6] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: THEY ALREADY HAVE THEM!!! It's called a SG and it has the same amount of DPS as a HMG... Except it has an eighth of the range, a worse damage profile, won't actually reach paper DPS because it's semiautomatic, doesn't have a working spread, actually requires aiming, is less reliable due to lower RoF, and has a shorter absolute range than your optimal. Oh, and it still doesn't have as much DPS as the HMG. But other than all that you're right, it's just like a scout with a HMG! Who need range when it used by a suit that is almost completely undetectable Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1406	Posted - 2014.06.16 15:47:00 - [7] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: THEY ALREADY HAVE THEM!!! It's called a SG and it has the same amount of DPS as a HMG... Protofits says ... not quite: Standard: 788.53 vs 828.00 Advanced: 827.96 vs 869.40 Prototype: 867.39 vs 910.80 In all cases, HMG > Shotgun by roughly 4.5%. I second your motion to buff Shotgun DPS by 4.5% and extend their effective range from 4.9m to match that of HMG. +1 Vitharr. An excellent idea. But where would that leave Nova Knives? :: Scratches Head :: honestly id prefer them to have longer range then i could stuff your words down your throat when you see that range dont mean sh*t on a high spread weapon Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
headbust SVER True Blood Dirt Nap Squad. 39	Posted - 2014.06.16 15:53:00 - [8] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: THEY ALREADY HAVE THEM!!! It's called a SG and it has the same amount of DPS as a HMG... Protofits says ... not quite: Standard: 788.53 vs 828.00 Advanced: 827.96 vs 869.40 Prototype: 867.39 vs 910.80 In all cases, HMG > Shotgun by roughly 4.5%. I second your motion to buff Shotgun DPS by 4.5% and extend their effective range from 4.9m to match that of HMG. +1 Vitharr. An excellent idea. But where would that leave Nova Knives? :: Scratches Head :: honestly id prefer them to have longer range then i could stuff your words down your throat when you see that range dont mean sh*t on a high spread weapon lol this guy mad because a scout is a SCOUT. make a squad and stick together if u gotta good squad you can hold scouts off its been done lots so dont complain cause ur not good enough to do that its just more blueberries wanting anything that kills them nerfed a scout = once you turn your back on me you'll never be able to look back
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1917	Posted - 2014.06.16 15:58:00 - [9] - Quote headbust wrote: lol this guy mad because a scout is a SCOUT. I am a Scout, but I'm not mad, Bro. I'm on a mission to get your sh*t fixed. Unless you guys step up and get it fixed yourself. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1407	Posted - 2014.06.16 16:47:00 - [10] - Quote headbust wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: THEY ALREADY HAVE THEM!!! It's called a SG and it has the same amount of DPS as a HMG... Protofits says ... not quite: Standard: 788.53 vs 828.00 Advanced: 827.96 vs 869.40 Prototype: 867.39 vs 910.80 In all cases, HMG > Shotgun by roughly 4.5%. I second your motion to buff Shotgun DPS by 4.5% and extend their effective range from 4.9m to match that of HMG. +1 Vitharr. An excellent idea. But where would that leave Nova Knives? :: Scratches Head :: honestly id prefer them to have longer range then i could stuff your words down your throat when you see that range dont mean sh*t on a high spread weapon lol Adipem mad because a heavy is a HEAVY. make a squad and stick together if u gotta good squad you can hold heavies off its been done lots so dont complain cause ur not good enough to do that its just more blueberries wanting anything that kills them nerfed I'm not the one complaining try looking my post history up and you see that the real complaining scrub is that fine example of a QQ machine known as Adipem Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1408	Posted - 2014.06.16 16:49:00 - [11] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: headbust wrote: lol this guy mad because a scout is a SCOUT. I am a Scout, but I'm not mad, Bro. I'm on a mission to get your gear fixed. Unless you guys step up and get it fixed yourself. Either way, your gear is gonna get fixed. Pleased to help in any way I can :-) cute attacking your own defenders? obviously you need to go back to first grade and work on your reading comprehension Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Powerh8er Ganking Jugend 440	Posted - 2014.06.16 17:01:00 - [12] - Quote The scout doesnt have big enough arms to carry an heavy machine gun.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1922	Posted - 2014.06.16 17:09:00 - [13] - Quote Powerh8er wrote: The scout doesnt have big enough arms to carry an heavy machine gun. Also, this. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Jadd Hatchen Mikramurka Shock Troop 577	Posted - 2014.06.16 18:32:00 - [14] - Quote Honestly where CCP screwed up with the weapons available to scouts was two fold. One they should only be able to carry one weapon system that is not based on equipment. Two they should be limited by PG and CPU in what they put into that one weapons slot. Then the rest of this takes care of itself. What do I mean? Let's say we keep all Scout suits exactly as they are now save only one change. We remove the sidearm slot. Now they can still fit both Light weapons (Assault Rifles, Sniper Rifles, Mass Drivers, Shotguns, even Plasma Cannons) or they can choose to fit a smaller Sidearm weapon (any Pistol or SMG). So why would any Scout ever fit a pistol instead of a rifle? Well Sidearms should cost much less to fit in terms of PG and CPU. So if you want to fit that uber shotgun or sniper rifle or even plasma cannon on a Scout suit, you can, but it will cost you more PG and CPU and should gimp the rest of the suit for other purposes. In other words, to do more damage, there needs to be a tradeoff!!! So the final result is that Scouts should not have the sidearm slot (they can and will fit sidearms in the light slot instead) and they should have a reduced amount of PG and CPU to match. Then the player that uses a Scout suit has to make a decision: more damage = less something else - less damage = more of something else. This simple and easy fix to Scout suits would solve just about every single complaint I've heard about how Scouts are the new OP in this game. Don't believe me? Just sit and think on it for a bit. Hell test it out on the server by reducing the amount of PG and CPU you will use on your scout suits by 10-15% and don't put anything into the sidearm slot. Now go out and fight that way and see what happens.
Yokal Bob NoGameNoLife 478	Posted - 2014.06.16 18:36:00 - [15] - Quote headbust wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: THEY ALREADY HAVE THEM!!! It's called a SG and it has the same amount of DPS as a HMG... Protofits says ... not quite: Standard: 788.53 vs 828.00 Advanced: 827.96 vs 869.40 Prototype: 867.39 vs 910.80 In all cases, HMG > Shotgun by roughly 4.5%. I second your motion to buff Shotgun DPS by 4.5% and extend their effective range from 4.9m to match that of HMG. +1 Vitharr. An excellent idea. But where would that leave Nova Knives? :: Scratches Head :: honestly id prefer them to have longer range then i could stuff your words down your throat when you see that range dont mean sh*t on a high spread weapon lol this guy mad because a scout is a SCOUT. make a squad and stick together if u gotta good squad you can hold scouts off its been done lots so dont complain cause ur not good enough to do that its just more blueberries wanting anything that kills them nerfed A scout should not be able to fill every role on the battlefield as they currently are doing. Sort out Dust before Legion or that will be a mess too
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1928	Posted - 2014.06.16 18:42:00 - [16] - Quote Yokal Bob wrote: A scout should not be able to fill every role on the battlefield as they currently are doing. Jadd Hatchen wrote: [snip] Per chance, have either of you noticed the steep decline in our number and the steep incline in yours? How do you suspect "nerf Scouts more" might affect this pattern? Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1928	Posted - 2014.06.16 18:48:00 - [17] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: honestly id prefer them to have longer range then i could stuff your words down your throat when you see that range dont mean sh*t on a high spread weapon If you'd have been around in Chromosome, you'd realize that range on a spread weapon wasn't so bad. Worked pretty well, in fact. Think about it terms of back-pedaling having no effect whatsoever on a shotgunner. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Cpl Foster USMC The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 975	Posted - 2014.06.16 18:50:00 - [18] - Quote that would be awesome.... fast little pale Jove Scouts with dual mini HMG's..... think of the Forum...it would shut down....tears would cause laptops to short out....

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