DUST Search - Add ISK to fac war

Winst0n W0lf wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

Winst0n W0lf wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote:

lp and isk, just enough to cover the cost of items in the lp store, maby like 25-30k per a win and almost/or nothing if u lose plus its not like salvage u cant use does u or anyone else any good

Or remove Fac loyalty point asset ISK costs = much better option.

Agreed. If you can make it nearly self-sustaining (at higher standings) if you use all factional gear, problem solved. If you use another races weapons (which, yes, I grudgingly do) then you'll need to grind some pubs.

If it is possible to make FW self sustaining in terms of LP gear sales for ISK then sure, LP should never solely be able to sustain a character or it loses its value.

Not completely self sustaining, and certainly not at low standings. Personally, if you are at level 10, I think you should be able to cover at least 80% of your losses with just the LP rewards (plus salvage I guess)... Assuming you'd have to be a pretty good player to get there and wouldn't be losing a ton of suits.

I completely agree that selling your LP assets for ISK would be the best way to do this, but that unfortunately doesn't appear to be an option.

"You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon

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Tallen Ellecon 1998	Posted - 2014.06.15 05:13:00 - [1] - Quote If you aren't adding an open market, you might as well add ISK rewards. Blehh..
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 657	Posted - 2014.06.15 16:32:00 - [2] - Quote might as well remove the salvage too since we wont be able to sell the crap we cant use
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact The East India Co. 4216	Posted - 2014.06.15 17:12:00 - [3] - Quote Then what is the point of fac warfare if we don't get lp. Viktor for CPM I'll ring for free(Multiple roles, 50Mil SP) Chat Channel: Vik PC
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 657	Posted - 2014.06.15 17:32:00 - [4] - Quote lp and isk, just enough to cover the cost of items in the lp store, maby like 25-30k per a win and almost/or nothing if u lose plus its not like salvage u cant use does u or anyone else any good
Tallen Ellecon 2000	Posted - 2014.06.15 17:33:00 - [5] - Quote Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: lp and isk, just enough to cover the cost of items in the lp store, maby like 25-30k per a win and almost/or nothing if u lose plus its not like salvage u cant use does u or anyone else any good This Blehh..
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 73	Posted - 2014.06.15 20:51:00 - [6] - Quote quit your whinging your SP and assets will be merged/moved to legion when its ready to. Minmatar Logibro in training. Rusty needles anyone? No Mic and no time for "Squeekers" Nerf scout cloak+shotgun
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 73	Posted - 2014.06.15 20:52:00 - [7] - Quote Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: lp and isk, just enough to cover the cost of items in the lp store, maby like 25-30k per a win and almost/or nothing if u lose plus its not like salvage u cant use does u or anyone else any good no if you want isk do normal matches. Minmatar Logibro in training. Rusty needles anyone? No Mic and no time for "Squeekers" Nerf scout cloak+shotgun
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10629	Posted - 2014.06.15 21:14:00 - [8] - Quote Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: lp and isk, just enough to cover the cost of items in the lp store, maby like 25-30k per a win and almost/or nothing if u lose plus its not like salvage u cant use does u or anyone else any good Or remove Fac loyalty point asset ISK costs = much better option. "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
Winst0n W0lf Her Majesty's S3cret S3rvice 31	Posted - 2014.06.15 21:36:00 - [9] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: lp and isk, just enough to cover the cost of items in the lp store, maby like 25-30k per a win and almost/or nothing if u lose plus its not like salvage u cant use does u or anyone else any good Or remove Fac loyalty point asset ISK costs = much better option. Agreed. If you can make it nearly self-sustaining (at higher standings) if you use all factional gear, problem solved. If you use another races weapons (which, yes, I grudgingly do) then you'll need to grind some pubs. I solve problems. I'm also John Demonsbane.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10630	Posted - 2014.06.15 21:44:00 - [10] - Quote Winst0n W0lf wrote: True Adamance wrote: Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: lp and isk, just enough to cover the cost of items in the lp store, maby like 25-30k per a win and almost/or nothing if u lose plus its not like salvage u cant use does u or anyone else any good Or remove Fac loyalty point asset ISK costs = much better option. Agreed. If you can make it nearly self-sustaining (at higher standings) if you use all factional gear, problem solved. If you use another races weapons (which, yes, I grudgingly do) then you'll need to grind some pubs. If it is possible to make FW self sustaining in terms of LP gear sales for ISK then sure, LP should never solely be able to sustain a character or it loses its value. "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon

Winst0n W0lf Her Majesty's S3cret S3rvice 32	Posted - 2014.06.15 22:04:00 - [11] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Winst0n W0lf wrote: True Adamance wrote: Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: lp and isk, just enough to cover the cost of items in the lp store, maby like 25-30k per a win and almost/or nothing if u lose plus its not like salvage u cant use does u or anyone else any good Or remove Fac loyalty point asset ISK costs = much better option. Agreed. If you can make it nearly self-sustaining (at higher standings) if you use all factional gear, problem solved. If you use another races weapons (which, yes, I grudgingly do) then you'll need to grind some pubs. If it is possible to make FW self sustaining in terms of LP gear sales for ISK then sure, LP should never solely be able to sustain a character or it loses its value. Not completely self sustaining, and certainly not at low standings. Personally, if you are at level 10, I think you should be able to cover at least 80% of your losses with just the LP rewards (plus salvage I guess)... Assuming you'd have to be a pretty good player to get there and wouldn't be losing a ton of suits. I completely agree that selling your LP assets for ISK would be the best way to do this, but that unfortunately doesn't appear to be an option. I solve problems. I'm also John Demonsbane.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10631	Posted - 2014.06.15 22:43:00 - [12] - Quote Winst0n W0lf wrote: True Adamance wrote: Winst0n W0lf wrote: True Adamance wrote: Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: lp and isk, just enough to cover the cost of items in the lp store, maby like 25-30k per a win and almost/or nothing if u lose plus its not like salvage u cant use does u or anyone else any good Or remove Fac loyalty point asset ISK costs = much better option. Agreed. If you can make it nearly self-sustaining (at higher standings) if you use all factional gear, problem solved. If you use another races weapons (which, yes, I grudgingly do) then you'll need to grind some pubs. If it is possible to make FW self sustaining in terms of LP gear sales for ISK then sure, LP should never solely be able to sustain a character or it loses its value. Not completely self sustaining, and certainly not at low standings. Personally, if you are at level 10, I think you should be able to cover at least 80% of your losses with just the LP rewards (plus salvage I guess)... Assuming you'd have to be a pretty good player to get there and wouldn't be losing a ton of suits. I completely agree that selling your LP assets for ISK would be the best way to do this, but that unfortunately doesn't appear to be an option. I disagree. LP Gear should be difficult to get even with high standing, and should posses desirable but highly specific bonuses, slot layouts, and base statistics that prime them for one specific role but leave then hanging in others. This means that there will be a very small and highly profitable market for LP gear items, making in many cases selling them better than keeping them. E.G- The Imperial Navy Slicer is a small, low HP, but insanely fast (I get up to about 5km per second on mine overheated) High DPS kiting ship. The Imperial Specialist Amarr Assault could receive altered frame and specialisation bonuses of 3% per level increase to Laser Weapon energy projection range and a 1-2% per level Energy weapons damage increase (or if Amarr Assault end up switching their bonus with Commando 7%) The idea being to create a suit people would pay through the nose for but sparsely use for fear of loss. However the way the Warzone works in EVE is governed by one cardinal rule. "Bring the cheapest variant of the thing that does the job" Frigates, the smallest shisp, and Destroyers, high DPS small ships, are prevalent.....everywhere..... you don't need much bigger for any real reason... most of the LP ships I exchange for are sold off to fund more Frigates....... and its more profitable to do this than fly a T2 ship any day. Personally I would like to see LP are a low yield thing that encourages players to stick to their chosen faction for increased pay outs and higher quantities of valuable loot. Enforce signed Militia requiring players to declare for one Faction and lose standing with their enemies limiting who they can fight for. "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
Winst0n W0lf Her Majesty's S3cret S3rvice 34	Posted - 2014.06.15 23:49:00 - [13] - Quote Well, sure, True, that would be great, like the imperial commando and it's hilarious 3 weapon slots that are still there, or the state kalaakiota needle, imperial viziam uplink, etc. I'd love an imperial logi with an extra equip slot and more PG! However, we are unfortunately stuck with the game we have, not the one we want. In it's current state I'd personally like to have a little more return on my investment, and market value changes seem like the small type of thing Rattati is specializing in right now. People like you or I obviously don't need extra incentive to fight for the Empire, but some do, and it would be nice to be able to change the balance of FW/pubs needed to be profitable. I solve problems. I'm also John Demonsbane.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10636	Posted - 2014.06.15 23:59:00 - [14] - Quote Winst0n W0lf wrote: Well, sure, True, that would be great, like the imperial commando and it's hilarious 3 weapon slots that are still there, or the state kalaakiota needle, imperial viziam uplink, etc. I'd love an imperial logi with an extra equip slot and more PG! However, we are unfortunately stuck with the game we have, not the one we want. In it's current state I'd personally like to have a little more return on my investment, and market value changes seem like the small type of thing Rattati is specializing in right now. People like you or I obviously don't need extra incentive to fight for the Empire, but some do, and it would be nice to be able to change the balance of FW/pubs needed to be profitable. The last thing FW in this game needs is incentive for those farming douche bags in Pub matches to switch game modes. You don't want to give them ISK and LP..... it would be horrid. "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 660	Posted - 2014.06.16 00:35:00 - [15] - Quote we really need pve based misions in sandboxed districts in high low and null sec planet with a clear difference between the security levels and in the case of fac war mission sites that may contain enemy milita pvp encounters, independent squads looting the higher risk areas, and people who want to just control the teritory fruits in general.
Glyd Path Nec Tributis 118	Posted - 2014.06.16 00:41:00 - [16] - Quote Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: might as well remove the salvage too since we wont be able to sell the crap we cant use At least let us delete the crap portion of the salvage. Stuff that isn't worth the sp to skill into much less sell in the non-existent player market. Nobody at CCP cares because we ain't Legionnaires.


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