DUST Search - f*** building a snowman do you wanna be a scout, lessons are here

Jaceon Pale-eye wrote:

Talon Paetznick II wrote:

I agree but I will not enter a no win situation I put down an uplink immediately after hacking a null
or hack CRUs exclusively to push an enemy out of an area or i clean out enemy up links I take away manpower before I hack,if I hack

you have to stop the army before you win the war capture the area surrounding the objective before you get the objective

a scout dies in vain if he tries to control the bunker before he reshapes the battlefield and dies as a result

Did you read the part where I took the Charlie CRU before I prosecuted the objective, ignoring the out-of-reach uplinks only because they were out of reach (and knowing the enemy had only 30-40 reinforcements available through them and that it also didn't matter THAT much because this was enemy homepoint?)

I mean, by your reasoning, a scout should never have anything to do with enemy homepoint because there is, by virtue of its proximity to enemy ground spawn, always reinforcements nearby for the enemy. All you can do is pick a good spot for your own uplink so that you can return immediately when you die (because you will die if you're lonewolfing a hot objective).

That feeling when you take over the objective and defend it for the rest of the match by yourself with 200 eHP... Priceless.

It's not always about not dying. It's about controlling the objective as best you can until help arrives - if it arrives.

dust math: getting killed by ion pistol = dropping the soap,useful item= nerfhammer, protostomp= WHY GOD!!!

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Talon Paetznick II Gallente Federation Resistance 16	Posted - 2014.06.15 02:06:00 - [1] - Quote The Gallente Federation Resistance would like to offer training to scouts or those who would like to be scouts on the scout training channel aptly named "scout training" as a pre 1.8 scout I would like to train those new to scouting in techniques both pre and post cloak I am an active player and will be able to offer tutoring on a semi daily basis I am adept with the shotgun and nova knives equally and Mimitar scouts are one of my specialties I offer the following lessons in scouting to cloak or not to cloak what sidearm is best for you importance of dropsuit upgrades importance of your role bonus why a scout is not light assault what to tank CQC or long range get used to dying why basic is better cardiac regulators because I'm long winded what scout is best for you complement your weapons know your weakness know when to hold em, know when to fold em, know when to walk away, and when to run reply to this post if you are interested in joining as either a student or teacher for this channel lesson subjects are limited to a few(1-2) per session learning will be hands on in the form of squading/ Q sink I ask you to be on topic if you reply otherwise your post will be removed dust math: getting killed by ion pistol = dropping the soap,useful item= nerfhammer, protostomp= WHY GOD!!!
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5272	Posted - 2014.06.15 12:27:00 - [2] - Quote Who are you? And why should I learn from you? Headed to Destiny, To Hell with CCP PSN: EVL_Elgost105 RIP Dust514 05/02/14 GG CCP
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 1531	Posted - 2014.06.15 12:38:00 - [3] - Quote If you need to run away, you ain't scouting right. Delt for CPM1 Moss-delt on skype
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1855	Posted - 2014.06.15 14:21:00 - [4] - Quote Given: * Newbro Scout carrying a Militia Shotgun or Standard Knives. Restriction: * Newbro Scout annot use Remote Explosives Solve: Newbro Scout has flanked a lone, Proto Heavy; how would you propose he take down his mark? Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2917	Posted - 2014.06.15 15:00:00 - [5] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Given: * Newbro Scout carrying a Militia Shotgun or Standard Knives. Restriction: * Newbro Scout annot use Remote Explosives Solve: Newbro Scout has flanked a lone, Proto Heavy; how would you propose he take down his mark? slight problem here, MLT shotgun and PRO shotgun are going to take the same number of shots to kill a heavy. but Nova Knives and no REs are a concern. Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
mollerz 3648	Posted - 2014.06.15 16:22:00 - [6] - Quote The correct answer is ... KNIVES. Always knives. Even if it kills you. Your Welcome
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5274	Posted - 2014.06.15 16:30:00 - [7] - Quote mollerz wrote: The correct answer is ... KNIVES. Always knives. Even if it kills you. You going Arc Blades in Destiny? Headed to Destiny, To Hell with CCP PSN: EVL_Elgost105 RIP Dust514 05/02/14 GG CCP
Talon Paetznick II Gallente Federation Resistance 19	Posted - 2014.06.15 16:57:00 - [8] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Who are you? And why should I learn from you? a guy who has been actively scouting for 8+ months and can use anything given to him creatively give me an RE i give you a landmine give me a shotgun and a corner i give you a kill box give me an unguarded null i give you a ninja hack give me an uncloacked scout i give you intimidation over stealth give me your an example of one of your deaths i give you a learning experience dust math: getting killed by ion pistol = dropping the soap,useful item= nerfhammer, protostomp= WHY GOD!!!
Talon Paetznick II Gallente Federation Resistance 19	Posted - 2014.06.15 17:00:00 - [9] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: If you need to run away, you ain't scouting right. I disagree cowards live, warriors die never bite off more than you can chew, and when you do run but be smart about it because a blind backwards dash is easy to get a bead on dust math: getting killed by ion pistol = dropping the soap,useful item= nerfhammer, protostomp= WHY GOD!!!
Talon Paetznick II Gallente Federation Resistance 19	Posted - 2014.06.15 17:06:00 - [10] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Given: * Newbro Scout carrying a Militia Shotgun or Standard Knives. Restriction: * Newbro Scout annot use Remote Explosives Solve: Newbro Scout has flanked a lone, Proto Heavy; how would you propose he take down his mark? depends on role bonus and suit level 3-5 mimja using basic suit uses knives and chokes heavy with claustrophobia after first charged strike gal and cal scout unloads shotgun (most likely dies) (any decent scout has at least basic shotguns unlocked) amar scout just dies dust math: getting killed by ion pistol = dropping the soap,useful item= nerfhammer, protostomp= WHY GOD!!!

Right-wing Extremist Nos Nothi 136	Posted - 2014.06.15 18:16:00 - [11] - Quote I have a lot of fetishes, including pegging. Jaceon Pale-eye. Soon to be the deadliest prick in OSG. Unless Mal says no :(
Jaceon Pale-eye OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 132	Posted - 2014.06.15 18:20:00 - [12] - Quote Talon Paetznick II wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Who are you? And why should I learn from you? a guy who has been actively scouting for 8+ months and can use anything given to him creatively give me an RE i give you a landmine (omg why didn't I think of that? ) give me a shotgun and a corner i give you a kill box (shotguns r ez mode. give me knives and a corner and I give you a rapecage) give me an unguarded null i give you a ninja hack give me an uncloacked scout i give you intimidation over stealth (I don't use cloaks either, there's no longer a point to them) That's not what ninja hacking is. Ninja hacking is hacking a guarded objective in the middle of a firefight and/or hacking a guarded objective after creating confusion/distraction yourself nearby, drawing the enemy's attention long enough to get the hack off. Then you have to survive long enough to guard your hack so that the enemy doesn't just counterhack the point. Example: 2x heavy (one adv, one pro) 1x logi 2x assault 1x adv light frame (non-scout, thus not sharing his passives with his squad) Two links on top of one of the cylinders by the road, they have the CRU. I take Charlie CRU and ignore the uplinks - can't do anything about 'em right now and I don't feel like calling a dropship just for this. Oh, and I'm running without a squad at the time. This composition guarding Charlie (enemy home point) on Fracture Road Skirmish map My bread and butter: Adv Minja, ZN-28s, RS-90 2x Enh Damps in lows 2x Adv PE and 1x Basic Sidearm Dmg mod in highs RE and Stable drop uplink in EQ, flux grenades Majority of enemy facing northeast stairs (on first level where a CRU would be on any other map with the same objective configuration), the adv sentinel is below, running laps around the core, "guarding" both stairways and the point itself. I run by NE stairs, toss one RE, detonate it (kill nothing, this is a feint). one assault comes up to chase me followed by a heavy. I see this as I'm going down the SW stairs. Stab logi, shoot other medium suit, now picking up 2nd heavy on passive, he's facing one stairwell and standing still, I come down the other stairwell, plant RE on the point, run back upstairs. I die. Spawn in at my own uplink, just downhill toward redline, shoot it out with one of the assaults, fade toward their ground spawn, come in again from northwest. This time ignore enemy on first level, proceed directly to the objective - it is now clear due to 2nd heavy going upstairs to help fend off a blueberry push from Charlie CRU direction. I hack point. I leave to hang out by my uplink down the hill. (lol @ helping blueberries push the point I already hacked). See notification "Enemy is re-taking C". Detonate RE I planted with last dropsuit. Triple kill. "Objective C: Virus Upload Complete" After this, I go and hack Delta (which was clear) and the Delta-Alpha CRU. By the time I get done killing the militia suit who tried to re-take Delta, Charlie was red again. I go back to fine nobody guarding it. I hack, plant RE on floor behind console, leave. Stab scout hacking Charlie CRU. "Enemy is hacking C." Detonate RE.... Nothing. ***** fluxed it. Pricks. I go running back, enter from SE stairs, watch cloaked scout running up NE stairs. I seem to have evaded his passive with my 2 damps - that's rare. Anyway, I go hack the thing long enough to flash the notification, and stop. Hack, stop, hack, stop. Finally, two red dots on passive. I drop an RE, fade behind the core, watch tacnet to see which staircase they come down... they come down west stairs, I hang on east side of core. They make a confused pass over the objective that's still in their control... and die to my RE. I hack the point, knowing the two closest enemy are sorted out. Plant another RE, run down the hill. Next hack attempt results in double kill. But ugh... blueberries. "Defeat. Allied MCC has been destroyed." Mind you, I died a lot more times in between Delta and Charlie and the D-A CRU fights. Charlie battle was just the bulk of the match for me. I finished 10/7 with 4 kill assists and over 1400 WP that match. Another brief example, that map with 3 objectives where Bravo is in the city, Alpha's on a rock formation and Charlie has a small compound? I forget the map's name. Anyway, we take Charlie, enemy has Bravo and Alpha. My Squad pushes Alpha, I hack and immediately run to Bravo. Blueberries pushing Bravo and enemy pushing Charlie. 4 enemy defending Bravo... I hack it. Stab a medium suit who comes to counterhack, run away as heavy starts shooting at me. Hack succeeds. The point is, any blueberry can hack an unguarded point. That's not ninja hacking. Ninja hacking is going alone to a guarded point or preceding your squad to a guarded point and hacking it successfully.. That's ninja hacking. I don't wanna say 'GOML' 'cause I'm fairly new at this... but get on my level. Don't teach newbros to run away and rely on cloaks and shotguns. Teach them how to ***** scout. Vote Appia Vibbia for CPM1 or I'll stab you in the neck! (ingame m8 m8 o7 o7)
Talon Paetznick II Gallente Federation Resistance 19	Posted - 2014.06.15 18:25:00 - [13] - Quote in response to the incredibly long post a scout is frail by nature I am strictly non-confrontational, profile dampeners to the max even though i do occasionally run the assassination type kill circuit in ambush I try not to take my chances with a heavily guarded null if there are other options available I do not encourage new scouts to go running off into such a heavily guarded position also i agree with your comment about noob scouts trying to be cloak and shotgun scrubs dust math: getting killed by ion pistol = dropping the soap,useful item= nerfhammer, protostomp= WHY GOD!!!
Jaceon Pale-eye OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 132	Posted - 2014.06.15 18:30:00 - [14] - Quote Talon Paetznick II wrote: I try not to take my chances with a heavily guarded null if there are other options available I do not encourage new scouts to go running off into such a heavily guarded position I argue that this is our job. It's on us to get into Bravo and/or on its roof and get an uplink down. It's on us to get the hack off on Alpha in Border Gulch Domination when the enemy is dug in like crazy. It's on us to flux the equipment spam in the supply depoy room down the hall from the point so that our team has a chance of pushing the point and taking the depot room. It's on us to get in there and take out their links and armor-repping nanohives. It's always on us. Our KDR will often suffer. But our team will win the match because we stayed frosty and took those deaths for the team. "Why does he die, daddy?" "Because he's a scout, son. Because he can take it. Because he's not the hero his team/corp wants, with that ****** KDR. But he's the hero they need. The hero they deserve. He's a fuckin' Minja/Ghost/Warden/Lolamarrscout.." Vote Appia Vibbia for CPM1 or I'll stab you in the neck! (ingame m8 m8 o7 o7)
Talon Paetznick II Gallente Federation Resistance 19	Posted - 2014.06.15 18:37:00 - [15] - Quote Jaceon Pale-eye wrote: Talon Paetznick II wrote: I try not to take my chances with a heavily guarded null if there are other options available I do not encourage new scouts to go running off into such a heavily guarded position I argue that this is our job. It's on us to get into Bravo and/or on its roof and get an uplink down. It's on us to get the hack off on Alpha in Border Gulch Domination when the enemy is dug in like crazy. It's on us to flux the equipment spam in the supply depoy room down the hall from the point so that our team has a chance of pushing the point and taking the depot room. It's on us to get in there and take out their links and armor-repping nanohives. It's always on us. Our KDR will often suffer. But our team will win the match because we stayed frosty and took those deaths for the team. "Why does he die, daddy?" "Because he's a scout, son. Because he can take it. Because he's not the hero his team/corp wants, with that ****** KDR. But he's the hero they need. The hero they deserve. He's a fuckin' Minja/Ghost/Warden/Lolamarrscout.." I agree but I will not enter a no win situation I put down an uplink immediately after hacking a null or hack CRUs exclusively to push an enemy out of an area or i clean out enemy up links I take away manpower before I hack,if I hack you have to stop the army before you win the war capture the area surrounding the objective before you get the objective a scout dies in vain if he tries to control the bunker before he reshapes the battlefield and dies as a result dust math: getting killed by ion pistol = dropping the soap,useful item= nerfhammer, protostomp= WHY GOD!!!
Talon Paetznick II Gallente Federation Resistance 19	Posted - 2014.06.15 18:41:00 - [16] - Quote Jaceon Pale-eye wrote: Talon Paetznick II wrote: I try not to take my chances with a heavily guarded null if there are other options available I do not encourage new scouts to go running off into such a heavily guarded position I argue that this is our job. It's on us to get into Bravo and/or on its roof and get an uplink down. It's on us to get the hack off on Alpha in Border Gulch Domination when the enemy is dug in like crazy. It's on us to flux the equipment spam in the supply depoy room down the hall from the point so that our team has a chance of pushing the point and taking the depot room. It's on us to get in there and take out their links and armor-repping nanohives. It's always on us. Our KDR will often suffer. But our team will win the match because we stayed frosty and took those deaths for the team. "Why does he die, daddy?" "Because he's a scout, son. Because he can take it. Because he's not the hero his team/corp wants, with that ****** KDR. But he's the hero they need. The hero they deserve. He's a fuckin' Minja/Ghost/Warden/Lolamarrscout.." would you like to join the channel as an instructor? you seem to understand scouting as well as i do if not better, plus you act as a devils advocate and a good devils advocate is indeed hard to find dust math: getting killed by ion pistol = dropping the soap,useful item= nerfhammer, protostomp= WHY GOD!!!
Jaceon Pale-eye OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 132	Posted - 2014.06.15 18:44:00 - [17] - Quote Talon Paetznick II wrote: I agree but I will not enter a no win situation I put down an uplink immediately after hacking a null or hack CRUs exclusively to push an enemy out of an area or i clean out enemy up links I take away manpower before I hack,if I hack you have to stop the army before you win the war capture the area surrounding the objective before you get the objective a scout dies in vain if he tries to control the bunker before he reshapes the battlefield and dies as a result Did you read the part where I took the Charlie CRU before I prosecuted the objective, ignoring the out-of-reach uplinks only because they were out of reach (and knowing the enemy had only 30-40 reinforcements available through them and that it also didn't matter THAT much because this was enemy homepoint?) I mean, by your reasoning, a scout should never have anything to do with enemy homepoint because there is, by virtue of its proximity to enemy ground spawn, always reinforcements nearby for the enemy. All you can do is pick a good spot for your own uplink so that you can return immediately when you die (because you will die if you're lonewolfing a hot objective). That feeling when you take over the objective and defend it for the rest of the match by yourself with 200 eHP... Priceless. It's not always about not dying. It's about controlling the objective as best you can until help arrives - if it arrives. Vote Appia Vibbia for CPM1 or I'll stab you in the neck! (ingame m8 m8 o7 o7)
Talon Paetznick II Gallente Federation Resistance 19	Posted - 2014.06.15 18:57:00 - [18] - Quote Jaceon Pale-eye wrote: Talon Paetznick II wrote: I agree but I will not enter a no win situation I put down an uplink immediately after hacking a null or hack CRUs exclusively to push an enemy out of an area or i clean out enemy up links I take away manpower before I hack,if I hack you have to stop the army before you win the war capture the area surrounding the objective before you get the objective a scout dies in vain if he tries to control the bunker before he reshapes the battlefield and dies as a result Did you read the part where I took the Charlie CRU before I prosecuted the objective, ignoring the out-of-reach uplinks only because they were out of reach (and knowing the enemy had only 30-40 reinforcements available through them and that it also didn't matter THAT much because this was enemy homepoint?) I mean, by your reasoning, a scout should never have anything to do with enemy homepoint because there is, by virtue of its proximity to enemy ground spawn, always reinforcements nearby for the enemy. All you can do is pick a good spot for your own uplink so that you can return immediately when you die (because you will die if you're lonewolfing a hot objective). That feeling when you take over the objective and defend it for the rest of the match by yourself with 200 eHP... Priceless. It's not always about not dying. It's about controlling the objective as best you can until help arrives - if it arrives. no i did not see that part about the CRU (just kind of skimmed) and i agree about waiting until help arrives but personally I just move on after a few spawn kills to demoralize enemy team its cheap I know but if you discourage activity than the activity will cease also I rarely defend an objective long because chances are someone just did the same thing to another null I typically dont wait around for reinforcements and I also refuse to use proto gear in pub matches. for me cheap tactics= acceptable, outclassing with gear rather than skill= intolerable but you are missing to things for dust MasterCard commercial cost of clone 10,000 isk, dorpsuit fitting 15,380 isk, defending objective until help arrives... priceless get your mastercard today and save isk now with 0.3% apr and financing dust math: getting killed by ion pistol = dropping the soap,useful item= nerfhammer, protostomp= WHY GOD!!!
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5284	Posted - 2014.06.16 00:52:00 - [19] - Quote Talon Paetznick II wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Who are you? And why should I learn from you? a guy who has been actively scouting for 8+ months and can use anything given to him creatively give me an RE i give you a landmine give me a shotgun and a corner i give you a kill box give me an unguarded null i give you a ninja hack give me an uncloacked scout i give you intimidation over stealth give me your an example of one of your deaths i give you a learning experience None of these are impressive enough to warrant any desire to actively learn from you. Give me a shotgun and a corner? Screw that, gimme a shotgun and I'll give you a graveyard. Headed to Destiny, To Hell with CCP PSN: EVL_Elgost105 RIP Dust514 05/02/14 GG CCP
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 89	Posted - 2014.06.16 01:28:00 - [20] - Quote Talon Paetznick II wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: Who are you? And why should I learn from you? a guy who has been actively scouting for 8+ months and can use anything given to him creatively give me an RE i give you a landmine give me a shotgun and a corner i give you a kill box give me an unguarded null i give you a ninja hack give me an uncloacked scout i give you intimidation over stealth give me your an example of one of your deaths i give you a learning experience Tldr: Give this nub the easiest stuff to do AND as a scout, and he will do it Service with a smile

mollerz 3656	Posted - 2014.06.16 02:12:00 - [21] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: mollerz wrote: The correct answer is ... KNIVES. Always knives. Even if it kills you. You going Arc Blades in Destiny? My Gf's brother is Alpha, and I just spent the day at their house. I made a hunter and got him to level 6, and explored a bit. The knives are cool... well, the knife is way cool I was double jump stabbing people after dismounting my ***** bad ass speeder bike-- those things are *** ** btw- as well as shotgunning mofos. The speeder bikes are sweet. I love the handling. The knife mechanics are awesome, and throwing the knife is awesome. It's a perfect finisher. Gun mechanics are spot on. I really like the scout rifle as well. Destiny is going to be a bad ass game. RIP Dust. Your Welcome
mollerz 3656	Posted - 2014.06.16 02:15:00 - [22] - Quote Talon Paetznick II wrote: Blah blah mimja blah blah Your Welcome
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5292	Posted - 2014.06.16 03:55:00 - [23] - Quote mollerz wrote: Talon Paetznick II wrote: Blah blah mimja blah blah I tried to not sound TOO condescending Headed to Destiny, To Hell with CCP PSN: EVL_Elgost105 RIP Dust514 05/02/14 GG CCP


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