DUST Search - Tankers against competent AV

Atiim wrote:

Tebu Gan wrote:

At least where a gunnlogi is concerned, a forge gun and a swarmer SHRED an unhardened gunnlogi. Mind you both were at proto level, but still, I have a hard time feeling any sympathy for those AVers that complain of unkillable tanks. AV played me, lured me in and eventually cut off my escape and surrounded me with their power. It was quite impressive.

AV really shined last night. While I may have only lost but a few tanks to AV, they proved that they are not nearly as underpowered as they claim to be where a Gunnlogi is concerned. Hardeners, of course, makes a huge difference against swarms. Though when you throw a forge gunner into the mix, you WILL have to limit your engagements severely, even with the hardeners.

GG those AVers that actually try, and use tactics to overcome tankers on the field. It's amazing what you can do when you focus fire and coordinate. And it doesn't take half a team of AVers to do it!

Hmm...

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At least where a [Matari Logistics] is concerned. A [Heavy Machine Gun] and a [Shotgun] would SHRED an untanked [Matari Logistics]. Mind you the [Heavy Machine Guns and Shotguns] were both at proto level, but still, I had a hard time feeling sympathy for any of those [Light or Heavy Frame] users that complain of overpowered [Slayer Logis]. [Heavy Machine Guns and Shotguns] played me, lured me in and eventually cut off my escape and surrounded me with their power. It was quite impressive.

[Heavy & Light Frames[ really shined last night. While I may have only lost a few [Dropsuits] to [Heavy & Light Frames], they proved that they are not nearly as underpowered as they claim to be where a [Matari Logistics] is concerned. [Damage Modifiers], of course, make a huge difference against [Light & Heavy Frame] users. Though when you throw an [HMG] into the mix, you WILL have to limit your engagements severely, even with the hardeners.

GG to those [Light & Heavy Frames] that actually tried, and used tactics to overcome [Slayer Logistics] on the field. It's amazing what you could accomplish when you focus fire and coordinate. And it doesn't tale half a team of AVers to do it!. -It only took about 200% of the manpower I fielded to work :D

Now that I've placed your 'logic' into a different perspective to show the obvious flaws with it, allow me to make some things apparent for anyone who doesn't feel like reading that drivel.

It took 2 players to destroy you, and you weren't even using hardeners.
You state yourself that the outcome would not have been the same had your HAV been fit defensively
You allowed yourself to get trapped by AV; which is an issue of -gross incompetence-

Mind you that the first two points already state an imbalance, and the 3rd point isn't even a credible basis for determining balance.

On a slightly inflammatory note, perhaps you should pilot your HAV better?


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Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1865	Posted - 2014.06.15 01:58:00 - [1] - Quote Atiim wrote: Tebu Gan wrote: At least where a gunnlogi is concerned, a forge gun and a swarmer SHRED an unhardened gunnlogi. Mind you both were at proto level, but still, I have a hard time feeling any sympathy for those AVers that complain of unkillable tanks. AV played me, lured me in and eventually cut off my escape and surrounded me with their power. It was quite impressive. AV really shined last night. While I may have only lost but a few tanks to AV, they proved that they are not nearly as underpowered as they claim to be where a Gunnlogi is concerned. Hardeners, of course, makes a huge difference against swarms. Though when you throw a forge gunner into the mix, you WILL have to limit your engagements severely, even with the hardeners. GG those AVers that actually try, and use tactics to overcome tankers on the field. It's amazing what you can do when you focus fire and coordinate. And it doesn't take half a team of AVers to do it! Hmm... Quote: At least where a [Matari Logistics] is concerned. A [Heavy Machine Gun] and a [Shotgun] would SHRED an untanked [Matari Logistics]. Mind you the [Heavy Machine Guns and Shotguns] were both at proto level, but still, I had a hard time feeling sympathy for any of those [Light or Heavy Frame] users that complain of overpowered [Slayer Logis]. [Heavy Machine Guns and Shotguns] played me, lured me in and eventually cut off my escape and surrounded me with their power. It was quite impressive. [Heavy & Light Frames[ really shined last night. While I may have only lost a few [Dropsuits] to [Heavy & Light Frames], they proved that they are not nearly as underpowered as they claim to be where a [Matari Logistics] is concerned. [Damage Modifiers], of course, make a huge difference against [Light & Heavy Frame] users. Though when you throw an [HMG] into the mix, you WILL have to limit your engagements severely, even with the hardeners. GG to those [Light & Heavy Frames] that actually tried, and used tactics to overcome [Slayer Logistics] on the field. It's amazing what you could accomplish when you focus fire and coordinate. And it doesn't tale half a team of AVers to do it!. -It only took about 200% of the manpower I fielded to work :D Now that I've placed your 'logic' into a different perspective to show the obvious flaws with it, allow me to make some things apparent for anyone who doesn't feel like reading that drivel. It took 2 players to destroy you, and you weren't even using hardeners. You state yourself that the outcome would not have been the same had your HAV been fit defensively You allowed yourself to get trapped by AV; which is an issue of -gross incompetence- Mind you that the first two points already state an imbalance, and the 3rd point isn't even a credible basis for determining balance. On a slightly inflammatory note, perhaps you should pilot your HAV better? On your point of "gross incompetence," is it then that a heavy player is incompetent when I use a range advantage against him to melt him with my laser rifle? (Or just anyone in general between 90 and 105 meters) I'd argue that it wasn't the target that was incompetent, but that I was skilled to use a certain attribute to my advantage, because I sure as hell wouldn't go up against a heavy with my LR at 15 meters. So therefore, there can be AVers that actually know what they're doing to beat a tank, and not that the tanker was incompetent. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32