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Eruditus 920 wrote:

Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:

Eruditus 920 wrote:

Vitharr Foebane wrote:

Eruditus 920 wrote:

After months of the scout witch hunt I have known Fatties were up next. It is overdue.

I was on the short end of a Fattie's HMG recently and the kill screen said 58 meters. This was a basic HMG.

That is simply far too much range for that weapon to be effective. I was at full health.

Close quarters, yeah ok. Almost 60 meters? No, you can't have both.

From what I see in pubs, the majority run fat now. I can see why.

Unless you were an untanked minmatar scout standing completely still im gonna call b*ll sh*t...

You can call whatever you want. It's the internet.

G/1-Series Gal scout with 87 hp shield and 162 hp armor. I was standing in one of those open square containers. Jumped and then...58 meters and it was church.

So you were totally untanked, standing still and in the open.

While 58 metres is quite a bit much, there are more problems with that scenario than just the HMG.

So, after all the forum posts the last few months I've read with belly aching about tanked brick tanked scouts, my non-tanked speed oriented scout constitutes a problem? A bit hypocritical is being polite.

The container is open at both ends but enclosed so I wasn't in the open.

I don't care if my scout was asleep. 58m is unacceptable.


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Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3507	Posted - 2014.06.14 01:14:00 - [1] - Quote I'm not a fan of reducing heavy movement speed, specifically because of jump height. I am similarly not a fan of reducing heavy EHP; a small EHP nerf would make heavies pretty easy to beat, even in their own territory (i.e. corridors). It also would penalise forge gunners; an EHP nerf would make AVing very hard indeed. I think HMG range could afford to be cut by 5-10m, and that explosive resistance could happily be reduced to about 3% without either removing its usefulness or stepping too far. But I think it would also be good to wait for assault buffs before meddling with the heavy. CCP Rattati Best Dev I gots to stop making 3am posts...
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3507	Posted - 2014.06.14 01:40:00 - [2] - Quote Actually, upon thinking a bit more about it I really don't like the way you're thinking about heavy nerfs. I don't deny that they're necessary, but I don't think that the suit is the problem here. Pvt. Numnutz suggested increasing the rate of overheat in another thread. I think, coupled with a range decrease we'd be pretty much sorted; after all, historically an out ranged heavy is a dead heavy. CCP Rattati Best Dev I gots to stop making 3am posts...
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3509	Posted - 2014.06.14 02:43:00 - [3] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: After months of the scout witch hunt I have known Fatties were up next. It is overdue. I was on the short end of a Fattie's HMG recently and the kill screen said 58 meters. This was a basic HMG. That is simply far too much range for that weapon to be effective. I was at full health. Close quarters, yeah ok. Almost 60 meters? No, you can't have both. From what I see in pubs, the majority run fat now. I can see why. Unless you were an untanked minmatar scout standing completely still im gonna call bll sht... You can call whatever you want. It's the internet. G/1-Series Gal scout with 87 hp shield and 162 hp armor. I was standing in one of those open square containers. Jumped and then...58 meters and it was church. So you were totally untanked, standing still and in the open. While 58 metres is quite a bit much, there are more problems with that scenario than just the HMG. CCP Rattati Best Dev I gots to stop making 3am posts...
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3510	Posted - 2014.06.14 08:31:00 - [4] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: After months of the scout witch hunt I have known Fatties were up next. It is overdue. I was on the short end of a Fattie's HMG recently and the kill screen said 58 meters. This was a basic HMG. That is simply far too much range for that weapon to be effective. I was at full health. Close quarters, yeah ok. Almost 60 meters? No, you can't have both. From what I see in pubs, the majority run fat now. I can see why. Unless you were an untanked minmatar scout standing completely still im gonna call bll sht... You can call whatever you want. It's the internet. G/1-Series Gal scout with 87 hp shield and 162 hp armor. I was standing in one of those open square containers. Jumped and then...58 meters and it was church. So you were totally untanked, standing still and in the open. While 58 metres is quite a bit much, there are more problems with that scenario than just the HMG. So, after all the forum posts the last few months I've read with belly aching about tanked brick tanked scouts, my non-tanked speed oriented scout constitutes a problem? A bit hypocritical is being polite. The container is open at both ends but enclosed so I wasn't in the open. I don't care if my scout was asleep. 58m is unacceptable. I have to say, both having used an HMG a reasonable amount in the past and spending the last few days especially Logiing for heavies, you are either exaggerating or misrepresenting the issue at hand. I was Logiing a Gastun's yesterday, and he was killing things at 40m slower than my BK-42. I cannot accept that a STD HMG managed to kill your scout 'in the blink of an eye' at 58m, considering that the HMG is well and truly outside its effective range, let alone its optimal, that it could kill something with a hitbox as small as a Scout's at such an extreme range. See, the part that gets me about your description of he events is not 'HMG', '58m' or '250 EHP'. It's 'standing'. An HMG killed you outside its optimal while you were 'standing still'. Anything can kill you outside its optimal when you stand still. For the record, I'm still in favour of some HMG tweaks. NOT some Sentinel tweaks. CCP Rattati Best Dev I gots to stop making 3am posts...