Delay - Swarm launcher changes - I am not happy with the community consensus and want to keep iterating for a solid compromise. We also found some bugs as well that can have unforeseen consequences when fixed. Lastly, increasing swarm size can affect performance.

Making standard swarms BETTER than proto?

I donmt like that idea, although i do see where you're coming from.

I'd rather they all shoot 6 missiles but Adv/Pro get per missile damage buff/or lock time reduction.

lol that is a joke. tell me is any vehicle going to stay still for 17 seconds? LOL after the first 2 swarms hit or your 6 seconds most are gone out of lock range before the 3 swarm is fired. those that stay can take every swarm you fire and it does little damage to it. early I fired 7 swarms at an armor tank with my proto cal commando using proto swarm & 3 complex damage mods & 3 prof it ate all of them and it did about 1000 armor damage at most then it drove off after killing 5-7 blues. tell me how it had an armor hardner on it so it was not doing the 3 reps. it is uses against any vehicle but lavs I can not even drop an milita armor dropship with that fit because I only had 2 shots before he was out of my lock on range. 175 meters is a joke maybe 250 meters would work the old 350 was a huge range but 175 is way too short 225-250 would help but most dropships can out run the swarms

lol I was telling him that the time iw way off 17 seconds against any vehicle is way too long

The proficiency fix will effect swarms vs vehicles. Fox's post is about swarms vs swarms.

Sorry Fox, but this is the only idea you have had that I can't get on board with. I agree with Lynn Beck that the SIMPLEST solution to swarm level balancing would be to just have them all shoot 6 missiles and adjust their damage per missile accordingly.

Additionally, I am still holding hope that we can look forward to distant determined lock times where closer vehicles get target-locked faster than farther vehicles. Besides being logical, it would reward the skill of a player who can get closer to their target (and penalize those who prefer to hide behind the redline, for example).

Fox,

I appreciate the concept, however, i have to disagree a bit with the mechanics.

Basically, I think the tiering of damage isn't that bad. Increasing overall missiles in the volley is a pretty good way of doing things...at least to me.

That said, the number one thing I want from higher tier swarms is faster rate of fire and i can't really get around that.

ccp guys told us in a post that swarms are for lavs and dropships lol next time pull out a swarm and look at the efficiency rate (in the info you get when aiming) against militia dropships it is 55% both on shields and armor. it is 55% on ALL dropships I have pics as proof if needed in them I was using a caldari commando with proto swarms and 3 complex damage mods and still 55% against militia dropship. lol but on tanks & lavs it is the normal 80% on shield & 120% armor (not including proficiency or damage mods) so how is the time of swarms going to help?