I've been tanking since Chromosome; that there's my qualifications.

Tanking right now is easy mode.

It won't change without AV buffs. FG is fine (Kaal could use some work, but IAFG and BFG are fine). AV nades are fine (Fit some Packed.)

SL is garbage. PLC is garbage.

V/AV needs work. We're not getting modules, so the only balance that can change is AV.

And it needs to.

that just plain dumb (no offence CCP) but with out the modules and skills added back you only see like 6 tank builds because we dont have variety but infantry have more variety then you cud shake a stick at

that just plain dumb (no offence CCP) but with out the modules and skills added back you only see like 6 tank builds because we dont have variety but infantry have more variety then you cud shake a stick at

that just plain dumb (no offence CCP) but with out the modules and skills added back you only see like 6 tank builds because we dont have variety but infantry have more variety then you cud shake a stick at

A couple counterpoints tanks/ads don't need to have backup to kill a single infantrymen ( unless they are horrible aims ), you don't need to run a separate weapon so you can damage infantry, I can't simply run over you to kill you ( a heavy falling from 100m onto your tanks does 0 damage). And re's work on infantry even better than tanks. And cost... One of my logi fits costs 247k can be ran over by a Bpo jeep.

So... tank must be more avare then infantry .. always?. Not true if you compare it to awarsnes for infantry. There isn't place for infantry that can take 2-3forge shots and just run away and back in 20sec. Almost 2-3 from blaster and you respawn. For infantry your tank is almmost invisible at minimap. So you stealth to some point. You have forgivible amount of HP and speed. As solo you can sucessfuly operate all match.
At last If you as tanker are in deep trouble... jump out and take new fresh full of ammo BIG dropsuit.

You need skill a lot.. not true. Just as new player take tank and roam at battlefield. You will be more safe and have better stats.

Rail gun as antyinfranty weapon.... this never should happen. I'm bored that any tank that show from nowhere one shot from full speed kill infantry. Shooting forge to tank I must hit every time (try it) but you as tanker just do it once... and you happy go for next target.

About K/D? ... nah
Winning? You point ISK/profit? Or wp/sp?

You always go in +. (single matches dont count)

For every match as av I must go negatife for isk / k/d ...
I can get a lot of wp for av... you can do same and get extra for killing infantry/instalations.

So you can easy run away from this topic as you do as tanker at battlefield.

So... tank must be more avare then infantry .. always?. Not true if you compare it to awarsnes for infantry. There isn't place for infantry that can take 2-3forge shots and just run away and back in 20sec. Almost 2-3 from blaster and you respawn. For infantry your tank is almmost invisible at minimap. So you stealth to some point. You have forgivible amount of HP and speed. As solo you can sucessfuly operate all match.
At last If you as tanker are in deep trouble... jump out and take new fresh full of ammo BIG dropsuit.

You need skill a lot.. not true. Just as new player take tank and roam at battlefield. You will be more safe and have better stats.

Rail gun as antyinfranty weapon.... this never should happen. I'm bored that any tank that show from nowhere one shot from full speed kill infantry. Shooting forge to tank I must hit every time (try it) but you as tanker just do it once... and you happy go for next target.

About K/D? ... nah
Winning? You point ISK/profit? Or wp/sp?

You always go in +. (single matches dont count)

For every match as av I must go negatife for isk / k/d ...
I can get a lot of wp for av... you can do same and get extra for killing infantry/instalations.

So you can easy run away from this topic as you do as tanker at battlefield.

This is not true, I shook a stick at all of them.

do you have any idea how long it takes get really good at using rail turrents as anti infantry? took me 2 months of constant practice!

then you are runing a proto and thats your sacrifice

a) why do tanks get WP's for killing neutral turrets, 100 WP's for what? unfair

Tank operator in chrom, currently using cal missile tank with small rails.
Tanks are easy mode right now, that's just a fact. A milita tank is far too effective and has an insanely low price tag.
If you don't understand why the rail range was reduced I have no simpathy for you.

the discusion should be

a) why do tanks get WP's for killing neutral turrets, 100 WP's for what? unfair

b) why do tankers hear laying of RE ? its bull

c) why are tanks so cheap ? the moduals are fine but the hull should be 150k for a militia and 250k+ for a basic

d) tanks repair too fast, and repair through damage allowing them to be engaged in combat for far too long as a result. how long should the repair timer wait before it starts repairing to balance things out? 10 seconds or longer?

e) as we know we loose a suit to change it. why are vehicles allowed to be recalled without any cost? this is unfair. a vehicle recall should cost 100K or not be allowed. the current system of it taking a few seconds without cost is stupid and unbalanced.

f) proximity mines come as a pack of 3 and do 750 damage each so will not kill a LAV - how much damage should they do 1000 seems more fair no? kill a lav and pester a tank?

g) remote explosives mostly bounce off with the smallest movement on the vehicles side when is this going to get fixed?

h) tank speed compared to map size allows them to relocate too quickly should their speed be nerfed? but not the acceleration

i) swarms need to fly faster to counter all vehicle speeds - would twice the speed make them more balanced? or is more damage needed ontop aswell?

j) should drop ships and LAV's take alot more damage from light weapons? IMO yes they should be troubled or killed by several people shooting at them for a reasonable amount of time.

could go on but can't be arsed

Face a milita tank with milita av and win.... By your logic jehad jeeps should be encouraged not frowned upon.

vehicles
1. Use your ears- dropships are super loud- louder than your HAV
2. They light up pretty easily
3. Again, pretty damn loud
4. Not necessary, and not difficult to just glance every once in a while
5. Not constant, actually- only when you're in tight spots you shouldn't be in.
6. Once again, not constant- just a quick sweep of chokepoints
7. You can't see proxies dumbass, but again be wary of chokepoints and nothing else.
8. Not constant, and not difficult
9. Not constant, and not difficult
10. That should be the job of the infantry- support them so they can get this done
11. lol
12. again, not as much your concern as the infantry's concern
13. everyone has this issue
14. Only if there's nothing better to do- usually their fault anyway
15. Not really
16. Don't buy what you can't afford to lose. Also don't drive something you don't need to use. Don't call in a 300k gunnlogi to do an 80k sica's job.
17. With the amount of ammo these things have, that's not important.

problems for infantry

1. Real specific
2. Real specific
3. Very loud, and easy to avoid
4. Very loud, easy to avoid, and not always threats
5. Easy to fight
6. You mean area-deniers? You a CoDumbass or something?
7. Very loud, require a slight sidestep
8. You chose to spawn there
9. You might just be one
10. Also a very small issue
11. If you're going to list cover for infantry, but not for HAVs, I can see what your problem is.

tanks and infantry have very different problems on the battlefield i shall list them (as i see them)


problems for vehicles.
1. constant need to search sky for drop-ships such as an ASD
2. constant need to look around to spot other tanks
3. constant need to look for jihad jeeps
4. constant need to watch kill-feed and see what kind of av and tanks are out there
5. constant need to keep eye pealed for cloaks with remotes
6. constant need to watch for players placing remotes
7. constant need to look at ground for proxes
8. constant need to avoid swarms
9. constant need to avoid forge guns
10. needs to take out turrents before they take us out
11. need to remember what landscape is behind us (so we don't get killed because we got stuck on a rock)
12. needs to protect the supply depots (they are our lifelines and our rally-points)
13. need to escape orbitals
14. need to keep an eye on blueberry cars (so we dont kill them)
15. see through all the blinding light that happens when ever we get hit.
16. COST
17. ammo

problems for infantry

1. scouts
2. heavys
3. tanks
4. dropships
5. snipers
6. campers
7. murder taxis
8. bad uplinks
9. dumb berrys
10. ammo
11. cover


also on the tank side of things ccp has striped us out about 33%-44% of our pg and cpu removed about 70% of our moduales 66% of our turrents allmost all of our bonuses from the skills tree (no way to increase anything) nurfed our acuracy so blaster cant hit a guy standing still 30 meters taken away our range of rail and reduced shield tank to a sad very unfunny joke

infantry have had new stuff added constantly and have free suits for all occasions including killing tanks

so infantry have has some nurfs here and there but nothing that you cant get around by switching weapons.most of there worry's are more of a passive kind have have less worry's cost they are generally cheaper then a serious tank (not milita)

tanks worrys are a content danger to them and involving large amount of info taken and constantly having to have our eye dart all over the screen just so we can see it all. we have received huge nurfs, rollbacks, large scale item removal, and tactic breaking so call "fixes" and half our skills are missing broken of very bugy. including that we sometime cant fire but the people killing us can

all in all im see most of the people demanding tank nerfs dont take into concederation how hard and exspencive it can be (sometimes if we lose ONE tank we make no profite) tanks are suppost to be powerful needing cordinated team work to take down they are not a I WIN BUTTON as i have seen and been told it is.

do you have any idea how long it takes get really good at using rail turrents as anti infantry? took me 2 months of constant practice!

how long did it take to get good at swarm luanchers? INSTANT

how long to get good with a rile rifle? ONE DAY

combat rifle? WEEK TOPS

all im saying is that we have a lot more problems then infantry, our mistakes cost more and we take a lot longer time mastering our weapons. You are not suppose to be the solo tank slayer god that you seem to want to be. the said even when cost a million isk a tank each you guys were still wanting to solo tank slayer gods.

this is from a tanker. i run tanks becouse thats what im good at, i cant even survive on the ground, Im a terrible shot with infantry weapons because im so use to tank weapons and how they operate.

I hope CCP stops caving to you guys and help us shadows of tanks out a bit

PS. CCP seems to be wanting to make free swarms more powerful. looks like the gods will be getting there wish.

feel free to try to persuade me. im open to all feedback after all its a discussion tread

I totally agree with you. If I lose a tank that costs half a million 3 times it is a game that I absolutely not recoup. I've been watching the forums and people got blasters nerfed and now they want repair modules nerfed too. This game is about balance and no fitting for both suit or vehicles are perfect. I could make a tank with a blaster (nerfed) and multiple repair modules but there are ways to combat even a fitting such as that such as a tank with a railgun or middle launcher, proximity or remote explosives, suicide Lavs, teamwork from the opposing team. My point is people keep screaming OP and Nerf but they never think how do I combat this? I went into forge guns and explosives as well as suicide jeeps to combat vehicle spam and I'm a tanker with over 15 million in turrets alone. People need to calm down and think tactically rather than cry to CCP about ruining something that works rather than pick up skills and tactics that assist their play styles. I hear about people complain about tankers as much as scouts! Learn how to combat a play style.

Well, since the only changes will be to the stats of existing items, you can keep bitching that they should add things back, or you can make suggestions to balance current numbers. And as an ADS pilot and part time tanker I can tell you, swarms are currently crap. I have no reason to fear them unless I'm next to a building. FG are pretty balanced, PLC are finally in a good place, AV Nades still work as a supplement to primary weapons and tank vs tank is pretty balanced. The biggest imbalance currently is the armor repper, which is what they want to fix. There's no way armor should rep faster than my shields regen, if this was on a drop suit the entire community would have burned CCP at the stake long ago for the imbalance.

If you can't see the imbalance, maybe you should get out of your tank and run AV occasionally. Try going 2 weeks without a tank, I dare you.