tanks and infantry have very different problems on the battlefield i shall list them (as i see them)


problems for vehicles.
1. constant need to search sky for drop-ships such as an ASD
2. constant need to look around to spot other tanks
3. constant need to look for jihad jeeps
4. constant need to watch kill-feed and see what kind of av and tanks are out there
5. constant need to keep eye pealed for cloaks with remotes
6. constant need to watch for players placing remotes
7. constant need to look at ground for proxes
8. constant need to avoid swarms
9. constant need to avoid forge guns
10. needs to take out turrents before they take us out
11. need to remember what landscape is behind us (so we don't get killed because we got stuck on a rock)
12. needs to protect the supply depots (they are our lifelines and our rally-points)
13. need to escape orbitals
14. need to keep an eye on blueberry cars (so we dont kill them)
15. see through all the blinding light that happens when ever we get hit.
16. COST
17. ammo

problems for infantry

1. scouts
2. heavys
3. tanks
4. dropships
5. snipers
6. campers
7. murder taxis
8. bad uplinks
9. dumb berrys
10. ammo
11. cover


also on the tank side of things ccp has striped us out about 33%-44% of our pg and cpu removed about 70% of our moduales 66% of our turrents allmost all of our bonuses from the skills tree (no way to increase anything) nurfed our acuracy so blaster cant hit a guy standing still 30 meters taken away our range of rail and reduced shield tank to a sad very unfunny joke

infantry have had new stuff added constantly and have free suits for all occasions including killing tanks

so infantry have has some nurfs here and there but nothing that you cant get around by switching weapons.most of there worry's are more of a passive kind have have less worry's cost they are generally cheaper then a serious tank (not milita)

tanks worrys are a content danger to them and involving large amount of info taken and constantly having to have our eye dart all over the screen just so we can see it all. we have received huge nurfs, rollbacks, large scale item removal, and tactic breaking so call "fixes" and half our skills are missing broken of very bugy. including that we sometime cant fire but the people killing us can

all in all im see most of the people demanding tank nerfs dont take into concederation how hard and exspencive it can be (sometimes if we lose ONE tank we make no profite) tanks are suppost to be powerful needing cordinated team work to take down they are not a I WIN BUTTON as i have seen and been told it is.

do you have any idea how long it takes get really good at using rail turrents as anti infantry? took me 2 months of constant practice!

how long did it take to get good at swarm luanchers? INSTANT

how long to get good with a rile rifle? ONE DAY

combat rifle? WEEK TOPS

all im saying is that we have a lot more problems then infantry, our mistakes cost more and we take a lot longer time mastering our weapons. You are not suppose to be the solo tank slayer god that you seem to want to be. the said even when cost a million isk a tank each you guys were still wanting to solo tank slayer gods.

this is from a tanker. i run tanks becouse thats what im good at, i cant even survive on the ground, Im a terrible shot with infantry weapons because im so use to tank weapons and how they operate.

I hope CCP stops caving to you guys and help us shadows of tanks out a bit

PS. CCP seems to be wanting to make free swarms more powerful. looks like the gods will be getting there wish.

feel free to try to persuade me. im open to all feedback after all its a discussion tread

Well, since the only changes will be to the stats of existing items, you can keep bitching that they should add things back, or you can make suggestions to balance current numbers. And as an ADS pilot and part time tanker I can tell you, swarms are currently crap. I have no reason to fear them unless I'm next to a building. FG are pretty balanced, PLC are finally in a good place, AV Nades still work as a supplement to primary weapons and tank vs tank is pretty balanced. The biggest imbalance currently is the armor repper, which is what they want to fix. There's no way armor should rep faster than my shields regen, if this was on a drop suit the entire community would have burned CCP at the stake long ago for the imbalance.

If you can't see the imbalance, maybe you should get out of your tank and run AV occasionally. Try going 2 weeks without a tank, I dare you.

Tank operator in chrom, currently using cal missile tank with small rails.
Tanks are easy mode right now, that's just a fact. A milita tank is far too effective and has an insanely low price tag.
If you don't understand why the rail range was reduced I have no simpathy for you.