DUST Search - Ambush should have been the best mode...

Eruditus 920 wrote:

...but tanks ruined it. Plain and simple.

I understand CCP put them there and you have every right to run them but that doesn't make it right. They ruin Ambush for 95% of everyone else.

I know this is not a news flash to anyone.

DUST 514 is a FPS. Death match is the bread and butter of that genre.

Yet ours is ruined by tanks.

How hard would it have been to have an Ambush mode with infantry only? Seriously think about that. How hard?

Why not have had a tank only mode so that tankers could go nuts?

I'll tell you why. Because they are not interested in fighting other tanks. Those that choose to run tanks in Ambush play the game for psychological reasons different than others. My opinion.

In every game I have ever played, if it became too easy I lost interest and quit playing.

Yet I see the same players spamming tanks in Ambush every night. Aren't you bored yet? Again, some deeper issue is at work for them in their brain pan.

I know developement is dead for our game. But I imagine what might have been.

Ambush could have been soo much fun.

And it's not.

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Eruditus 920 Prodigy Ops 156	Posted - 2014.06.12 03:36:00 - [1] - Quote ...but tanks ruined it. Plain and simple. I understand CCP put them there and you have every right to run them but that doesn't make it right. They ruin Ambush for 95% of everyone else. I know this is not a news flash to anyone. DUST 514 is a FPS. Death match is the bread and butter of that genre. Yet ours is ruined by tanks. How hard would it have been to have an Ambush mode with infantry only? Seriously think about that. How hard? Why not have had a tank only mode so that tankers could go nuts? I'll tell you why. Because they are not interested in fighting other tanks. Those that choose to run tanks in Ambush play the game for psychological reasons different than others. My opinion. In every game I have ever played, if it became too easy I lost interest and quit playing. Yet I see the same players spamming tanks in Ambush every night. Aren't you bored yet? Again, some deeper issue is at work for them in their brain pan. I know developement is dead for our game. But I imagine what might have been. Ambush could have been soo much fun. And it's not. Dominion over others is given not taken. Nothing has power over you but your own fear.
duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 32	Posted - 2014.06.12 03:44:00 - [2] - Quote I will play legion so im good. Choo Choo
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 1951	Posted - 2014.06.12 03:56:00 - [3] - Quote This is being discussed for hotfix bravo, you should consider going to that subsection of the forums. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Michael Arck 4672	Posted - 2014.06.12 03:58:00 - [4] - Quote Maybe we'll get Ambush right...eventually. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
HYENAKILLER X WILL FIGHT ANYONE 748	Posted - 2014.06.12 04:20:00 - [5] - Quote When I first started ambush was amazing. The 50 clone count had no tanks. It was sooo much fun. Im not from new eden. I dont need back up, political power or support. I, unlike you dont fear nuetral territory.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2120	Posted - 2014.06.12 04:59:00 - [6] - Quote GO TO CALL OF DUTY I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Eruditus 920 Prodigy Ops 157	Posted - 2014.06.12 05:04:00 - [7] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: GO TO CALL OF DUTY NO. Dominion over others is given not taken. Nothing has power over you but your own fear.
Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 227	Posted - 2014.06.12 06:53:00 - [8] - Quote They are running us off. CCP I mean. They want us to quit DUST for Legion. Jeez, get with the program. Doesn't every game company work like this? This should be SOP it is working so well. THIS IS THE VOICE OF RÁN
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 526	Posted - 2014.06.12 08:30:00 - [9] - Quote Ambush has always had tanks, it just wasn't as common back in Chrome. I remember numerous games where one or two tankers would dominate the game, killing everything in sight, but occasionally... one of those tanks would die... and they wouldn't come back. Tanks used to cost enough Isk that losing one actually hurt, now, anyone can spam them in any game mode and still profit unless they absolutely suck. It's kinda sad to see them in every game now, there's always that one douche out of the 32 who decides to call in a tank, at which point the entire game either becomes cat and mouse, or tank spam going back and forth. Hopefully CCP will finally come up with a fix for this and give us an infantry only mode. Nova Knives are best sidearm.
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3474	Posted - 2014.06.12 08:34:00 - [10] - Quote Ambush has ALWAYS had tanks. In fact, Ambush was HELL for tanks in 1.6 and prior; no redline = nowhere to hide from instagib swarms. Didn't hear you bitching that AV should be removed from ambush back then, did I? CCP Rattati Best Dev Sorry, Blowout...

jaksol JAK darnson Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 20	Posted - 2014.06.12 12:07:00 - [11] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: ...but tanks ruined it. Plain and simple. I understand CCP put them there and you have every right to run them but that doesn't make it right. They ruin Ambush for 95% of everyone else. I know this is not a news flash to anyone. DUST 514 is a FPS. Death match is the bread and butter of that genre. Yet ours is ruined by tanks. How hard would it have been to have an Ambush mode with infantry only? Seriously think about that. How hard? Why not have had a tank only mode so that tankers could go nuts? I'll tell you why. Because they are not interested in fighting other tanks. Those that choose to run tanks in Ambush play the game for psychological reasons different than others. My opinion. In every game I have ever played, if it became too easy I lost interest and quit playing. Yet I see the same players spamming tanks in Ambush every night. Aren't you bored yet? Again, some deeper issue is at work for them in their brain pan. I know developement is dead for our game. But I imagine what might have been. Ambush could have been soo much fun. And it's not. abitly to run tanks in ambush is what seperates the game mode from call of duty deathmatch "Sacrifice is a choice you make. Loss is a choice made for you."
jaksol JAK darnson Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 20	Posted - 2014.06.12 12:09:00 - [12] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: Ambush has always had tanks, it just wasn't as common back in Chrome. I remember numerous games where one or two tankers would dominate the game, killing everything in sight, but occasionally... one of those tanks would die... and they wouldn't come back. Tanks used to cost enough Isk that losing one actually hurt, now, anyone can spam them in any game mode and still profit unless they absolutely suck. It's kinda sad to see them in every game now, there's always that one douche out of the 32 who decides to call in a tank, at which point the entire game either becomes cat and mouse, or tank spam going back and forth. Hopefully CCP will finally come up with a fix for this and give us an infantry only mode. you bet it hurt bro losing 2 mill isk in a ambush is like getting a knife stabed into your rib-cage and twisted slowly "Sacrifice is a choice you make. Loss is a choice made for you."
Ablerober Sea of Sin 36	Posted - 2014.06.12 12:17:00 - [13] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: GO TO CALL OF DUTY Why? Was CCP's idea of Dust to have Milkman1 and Duna2002 put players off this game? Blasting infantry from a tank or dropship is a lazy way to get kills and involves no skill, which probably suits your needs.
THUNDERGROOVE Fatal Absolution 913	Posted - 2014.06.12 12:32:00 - [14] - Quote I mean like, ambush is pretty scrubby even without tanks. You'll still get **** on by the 1337 slayerz and shortly after cry about it. The Amarr scout bonus is like the old Amarr sentinel bonus. No one needed 25% reduction to overheat damage on a heavy;_;
HYENAKILLER X WILL FIGHT ANYONE 750	Posted - 2014.06.12 17:16:00 - [15] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: GO TO CALL OF DUTY The very second I get a high def tv I will. Also I played cod ghosts. That game is insanely pro. The only way you can disrespect cod is either there are lots of kids or the maps suck. Otherwise its a very good game. Ide go just to get good. Im more of a sci fi guy so its not really my thing. Im not from new eden. I dont need back up, political power or support. I, unlike you dont fear nuetral territory.
Heimdallr69 Nyain San 2519	Posted - 2014.06.12 17:19:00 - [16] - Quote What about dropships? Gotta take them out of ambush too. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Heimdallr69 Nyain San 2519	Posted - 2014.06.12 17:21:00 - [17] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: GO TO CALL OF DUTY The very second I get a high def tv I will. Also I played cod ghosts. That game is insanely pro. The only way you can disrespect cod is either there are lots of kids or the maps suck. Otherwise its a very good game. Ide go just to get good. Im more of a sci fi guy so its not really my thing. I don't like the modded controller and hack abuse in cod. I also don't like dying 1 shot across the map by a shot gun. Also 80% of the player base camps Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 3283	Posted - 2014.06.12 17:40:00 - [18] - Quote Everything can be solved with a price increase Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
Eruditus 920 Prodigy Ops 172	Posted - 2014.06.12 17:45:00 - [19] - Quote I've always felt like CCP missed out on letting their gameplay shine by simply not having the OPTION to play Ambush with infantry only, no vehicles. Just pure gunplay. It would have been so much fun to gunfight without tanks ruining the experience. CCP could still have also had the Ambush mode as it is with tanks, with both mode available to choose from. But I truly believe if players were given a choice, you would find everyone playing infantry only mode with only a handful in the open vehicle/infantry option. Maybe no one at all. I was being sarcastic in the original post about a tank/vehicle only mode because everyone knows nobody would participate. Tanks don't want to face each other. For them it is about the ability to farm infantry and rack up easy kills, not the tank itself. For example, hypothetically if it were jetpacks that produced that effect (just for the sake of my point) instead of tanks, Ambush tankers would abuse that. It's not that they enjoy the tank per se, rather they enjoy killing with impunity and feeling superior. The tank is not the thing. The tank is the thing that gets them to the thing. Understand? Tanks get them to that feeling. Give us an Infantry only Ambush option. Leave the current version in if you want. But given the choice, I believe the current version would wither and die from lack of participants. Dominion over others is given not taken. Nothing has power over you but your own fear.
Schecter 666 Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 43	Posted - 2014.06.12 17:54:00 - [20] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: ...but tanks ruined it. Plain and simple. I understand CCP put them there and you have every right to run them but that doesn't make it right. They ruin Ambush for 95% of everyone else. I know this is not a news flash to anyone. DUST 514 is a FPS. Death match is the bread and butter of that genre. Yet ours is ruined by tanks. How hard would it have been to have an Ambush mode with infantry only? Seriously think about that. How hard? Why not have had a tank only mode so that tankers could go nuts? I'll tell you why. Because they are not interested in fighting other tanks. Those that choose to run tanks in Ambush play the game for psychological reasons different than others. My opinion. In every game I have ever played, if it became too easy I lost interest and quit playing. Yet I see the same players spamming tanks in Ambush every night. Aren't you bored yet? Again, some deeper issue is at work for them in their brain pan. I know developement is dead for our game. But I imagine what might have been. Ambush could have been soo much fun. And it's not. Based on development progress and testing Maybe - Militia Starter Fits with Racial weapons Vehicle Free Ambush (All or only Normal, not OMS) https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=165111&find=unread

Onesimus Tarsus Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 2090	Posted - 2014.06.12 17:57:00 - [21] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Everything can be solved with a price increase Or... Matchmaking by K/D(r) and WP/D(r). That way, whoever is racking up massive kills and such to whatever number of deaths ends up facing people of similar stats, and amazing things happen: Protostomps end. Tank stomps end. Redline snipe-stomps end. New players' experience gets better. Weapons and tactics auto-balance by lethality. Progression by any means, be it AUR, SP, or just plain gun game, balances. Economic considerations come home to roost, no matter what one uses. The game is perfected, and we can get on to possibly introducing modes, maps, and gear. K/D(r) & WP/(r) matchmaking. Even the forums would improve. Amarr. Scout. Stop laughing!
dzizur 6 dayz 37	Posted - 2014.06.12 18:11:00 - [22] - Quote First of all, in my opinion, ambush is not (never was and hopefully will never be) the best game mode in dust 514, and it's not deathmatch(it's team deathmatch, and I'm not trying to be rude. I wish there was a pure deathmatch mode available). Second, I think that we've had enough 'boosts' for AV after last patch, c'mon. If you get 2 ppl together running ANY kind of av weapon plus av nades you can kill ANY tank in seconds or ( if the tanker is experienced, which is a rare sight in pubs) drive them away so they no longer pose a threat to your team. Next thing I wanted to point out, is the fact that people who put a fluxload of sp in vehicles (which mostly is sp sink) should be able to have some kind of advantage over some dude that is trying to take him out in an AV militia suit. Lastly, when you're getting raped by vehicles (yeah... all 2 of them in ambush) remember about staying indoors and watching out for shotguns/plc/remotes. And no.. I don't tank, I run a ~ 220 hp scout
Scheneighnay McBob The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance 5236	Posted - 2014.06.12 18:37:00 - [23] - Quote It's been a long time since ambush was good, and HAVs have nothing to do with it. Needs less chaos, more CRUs. péñpâ¦pé+pâìpââpâêpü«tÄïµºÿpüïpéÅpüäpüä pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè
Derrith Erador Fatal Absolution 2054	Posted - 2014.06.12 18:51:00 - [24] - Quote That's weird, whenever I run tanks, I usually run rails specifically to kill them. To me, knowing that I cost someone a butt ton of money for no other reason than they shouldn't have brought out the tank to begin with means more to me than ten kills. Then again, I run ADS (me and my baby Laira are inseparable!). So I guess that makes me one of them. Betty White, the worlds hottest grandma.
jaksol JAK darnson Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 20	Posted - 2014.06.12 19:09:00 - [25] - Quote Ablerober wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: GO TO CALL OF DUTY Why? Was CCP's idea of Dust to have Milkman1 and Duna2002 put players off this game? Blasting infantry from a tank or dropship is a lazy way to get kills and involves no skill, which probably suits your needs. mastering turrent on tanks takes time unlike a swarm launcher "Sacrifice is a choice you make. Loss is a choice made for you."
Onesimus Tarsus Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 2091	Posted - 2014.06.12 19:39:00 - [26] - Quote jaksol JAK darnson wrote: Ablerober wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: GO TO CALL OF DUTY Why? Was CCP's idea of Dust to have Milkman1 and Duna2002 put players off this game? Blasting infantry from a tank or dropship is a lazy way to get kills and involves no skill, which probably suits your needs. mastering turrent on tanks takes time unlike a swarm launcher Boy, you really are afraid of getting out of the safety pod. I'm sorry if my signature no longer matches my earlier posts. K/Dr WP/Dr matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period.
Eruditus 920 Prodigy Ops 183	Posted - 2014.06.19 01:40:00 - [27] - Quote Playing Ambush today after Bravo has been a much more enjoyable experience. It is unfortunate I have to cancel out of OMS instead of simply selecting the mode directly but I'll take it. Now you have a choice. Huzzah. Dominion over others is given not taken. Nothing has power over you but your own fear.


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