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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.06.10 15:03:00 -
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A single prototype PG upgrade gives you 14 PG, that's enough to fit:
1x enhanced kin cat
1x Prototype armor module
1x Prototype shield extender
1x Prototype light weapon
2x Prototype sidearms (of some kinds)
1x Prototype equipment
etc'
A single prototype CPU upgrade on my Proto Gallente Assault adds 137 CPU, that's enough to fit:
1x Prototype Light weapon
2x-3x Prototype side arms
3x-4x Prototype armor modules
1x-2x Prototype shield modules
2x Prototype damage mods
2x-3x Prototype equipment
etc'
And that PG upgrade costs CPU, while the CPU upgrade doesn't cost any PG.
See the issue here?
Now could you please make PG upgrades free on CPU and make it % based?
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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CCP Rattati
C C P
C C P Alliance
2453
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Posted - 2014.06.11 05:53:00 -
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You have no idea how much I dislike how PG upgrades work
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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Velociraptor antirrhopus
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
179
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Posted - 2014.06.11 05:57:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:You have no idea how much I dislike how PG upgrades work
Personally, all it really amounts to for me is getting an extra complex plate on my Gal Logi.
What suit is it being abused on? Because I can guarantee you it's not the Logi. He kind of needs it actually.
My thoughts on Hotfix Alpha: First I noticed a scout running from my AR. Then a heavy. Then a COMBAT RIFLE USER. CCP +1
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
Dirt Nap Squad.
6103
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Posted - 2014.06.11 06:03:00 -
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Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:You have no idea how much I dislike how PG upgrades work Personally, all it really amounts to for me is getting an extra complex plate on my Gal Logi. What suit is it being abused on? Because I can guarantee you it's not the Logi. He kind of needs it actually.
I literally can't fit a good proto suit without one, Minmatar gear for you.
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1
STB-Infantry (Demolition)
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CCP Rattati
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.06.11 06:26:00 -
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It's not being abused, it's not really being used at all.
Why does it cost CPU and why is it in my low slot, when I need PG for my low slot. 
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
Dirt Nap Squad.
6104
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Posted - 2014.06.11 06:31:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:It's not being abused, it's not really being used at all. Why does it cost CPU and why is it in my low slot, when I need PG for my low slot.
You are trolling yes?
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1
STB-Infantry (Demolition)
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killian178
S.e.V.e.N.
General Tso's Alliance
24
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Posted - 2014.06.11 06:38:00 -
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Hotfix Charlie anyone...... |
Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
9326
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Posted - 2014.06.11 06:38:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:It's not being abused, it's not really being used at all. Why does it cost CPU and why is it in my low slot, when I need PG for my low slot. You are trolling yes?
It really makes you wonder if CCP DEVs actually use Matari frames.
Amarrians would prefer you be faithful... I'd rather you be logical.
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The-Errorist
SVER True Blood
743
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Posted - 2014.06.11 06:58:00 -
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PG modules do need to be improved.
MAG + Dust cb vet, an alt of Velvet Overkill & Agent Overkill. http://vimeo.com/93181621
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Velociraptor antirrhopus
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
182
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Posted - 2014.06.11 07:02:00 -
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buff minmatar!
slave power
My thoughts on Hotfix Alpha: First I noticed a scout running from my AR. Then a heavy. Then a COMBAT RIFLE USER. CCP +1
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
10302
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Posted - 2014.06.11 08:04:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:You have no idea how much I dislike how PG upgrades work Personally, all it really amounts to for me is getting an extra complex plate on my Gal Logi. What suit is it being abused on? Because I can guarantee you it's not the Logi. He kind of needs it actually. I literally can't fit a good proto suit without one, Minmatar gear for you.
Scout right?
Assault, Sentinel, Logistics and Comamndo can all fit stuff just fine.
Don't bring down everyone because one suit is bad, improve that suit.
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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Gelan Corbaine
Gladiators Vanguard
461
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Posted - 2014.06.11 10:29:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:You have no idea how much I dislike how PG upgrades work Personally, all it really amounts to for me is getting an extra complex plate on my Gal Logi. What suit is it being abused on? Because I can guarantee you it's not the Logi. He kind of needs it actually. I literally can't fit a good proto suit without one, Minmatar gear for you. Scout right? Assault, Sentinel, Logistics and Comamndo can all fit stuff just fine. Don't bring down everyone because one suit is bad, improve that suit.
Sentinel ..... sure ( To a ridiculous degree I'll admit ) Assault ,Com , and Logi ? It's tight .........very very tight .....doable but tight with maxed core skills and some points in fitting op.
No job is worth doing if you don't get paid in the end .
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The-Errorist
SVER True Blood
746
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Posted - 2014.06.11 11:00:00 -
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I want PG extenders to take still take up low slots, but not take up CPU. With how things are for shield and armor tanking for infantry and vehicles, making them high slots would brake too many of things.
MAG + Dust cb vet, an alt of Velvet Overkill & Agent Overkill. http://vimeo.com/93181621
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Echo 1991
warravens
Final Resolution.
311
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Posted - 2014.06.11 11:37:00 -
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I would make them a high slot and make them give a bit more pg. And cost no cpu as cpu mods are free. |
ResistanceGTA
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1274
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Posted - 2014.06.11 12:07:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:It's not being abused, it's not really being used at all. Why does it cost CPU and why is it in my low slot, when I need PG for my low slot.
Hey look guys, somebody gets it.
I think I'm over Dust now...
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Harpyja
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1861
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Posted - 2014.06.11 14:12:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:It's not being abused, it's not really being used at all. Why does it cost CPU and why is it in my low slot, when I need PG for my low slot.
Well it's the same in EVE. Though there are different kinds of PG upgrades.
The first is just a straight up PG upgrade (reactor control unit) which is a % bonus and costs CPU. Low slot.
The second is the power diagnostic system, which offers much less PG %, but also offers % bonuses to shield recharge, max shield, capacitor recharge, and max capacitor. Costs CPU and is a low slot.
Finally you got frigate sized PG upgrades (micro auxiliary power core) that simply provide a +# bonus instead of a % bonus, offering more PG than any one of the other modules due to a frigate's low PG. Costs CPU and is a low slot.
For Dust, the way I see it, is you're going to have to add the third type of PG upgrades to offer more PG on suits with less PG. Though you're stuck with them being low slot modules that cost CPU, not a lot, but still something.
"By His light, and His will"
- The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
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Alldin Kan
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
1100
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Posted - 2014.06.11 15:21:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:A single prototype PG upgrade gives you 14 PG, that's enough to fit:
1x enhanced kin cat
1x Prototype armor module
1x Prototype shield extender
1x Prototype light weapon
2x Prototype sidearms (of some kinds)
1x Prototype equipment
etc'
A single prototype CPU upgrade on my Proto Gallente Assault adds 137 CPU, that's enough to fit:
1x Prototype Light weapon
2x-3x Prototype side arms
3x-4x Prototype armor modules
1x-2x Prototype shield modules
2x Prototype damage mods
2x-3x Prototype equipment
etc'
And that PG upgrade costs CPU, while the CPU upgrade doesn't cost any PG.
See the issue here?
Now could you please make PG upgrades free on CPU and make it % based?
There just aren't enough items that are heavy on PG with low CPU :l
Would also like an increase to PG bonus...
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Alldin Kan
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
1100
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Posted - 2014.06.11 15:27:00 -
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Harpyja wrote:Well it's the same in EVE. Though there are different kinds of PG upgrades.
The first is just a straight up PG upgrade (reactor control unit) which is a % bonus and costs CPU. Low slot.
The second is the power diagnostic system, which offers much less PG %, but also offers % bonuses to shield recharge, max shield, capacitor recharge, and max capacitor. Costs CPU and is a low slot.
Finally you got frigate sized PG upgrades (micro auxiliary power core) that simply provide a +# bonus instead of a % bonus, offering more PG than any one of the other modules due to a frigate's low PG. Costs CPU and is a low slot.
For Dust, the way I see it, is you're going to have to add the third type of PG upgrades to offer more PG on suits with less PG. Though you're stuck with them being low slot modules that cost CPU, not a lot, but still something.
I'm still waiting to get back PDS for my teanks 
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CCP Rattati
C C P
C C P Alliance
2501
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Posted - 2014.06.11 16:59:00 -
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Harpyja wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:It's not being abused, it's not really being used at all. Why does it cost CPU and why is it in my low slot, when I need PG for my low slot. Well it's the same in EVE. Though there are different kinds of PG upgrades. The first is just a straight up PG upgrade (reactor control unit) which is a % bonus and costs CPU. Low slot. The second is the power diagnostic system, which offers much less PG %, but also offers % bonuses to shield recharge, max shield, capacitor recharge, and max capacitor. Costs CPU and is a low slot. Finally you got frigate sized PG upgrades (micro auxiliary power core) that simply provide a +# bonus instead of a % bonus, offering more PG than any one of the other modules due to a frigate's low PG. Costs CPU and is a low slot. For Dust, the way I see it, is you're going to have to add the third type of PG upgrades to offer more PG on suits with less PG. Though you're stuck with them being low slot modules that cost CPU, not a lot, but still something.
I am not a huge fan of "if it's called the same it needs to be exactly the same as EVE". They are in no gravity vacuum space, with trillion ton spaceships, we are humans in armor in atmosphere. Running into the same discussion with rifle ranges and weapons.
"As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"
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Floyd20 Azizora
L.O.T.I.S.
51
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Posted - 2014.06.11 17:21:00 -
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Harpyja wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:It's not being abused, it's not really being used at all. Why does it cost CPU and why is it in my low slot, when I need PG for my low slot. Well it's the same in EVE. Though there are different kinds of PG upgrades. The first is just a straight up PG upgrade (reactor control unit) which is a % bonus and costs CPU. Low slot. The second is the power diagnostic system, which offers much less PG %, but also offers % bonuses to shield recharge, max shield, capacitor recharge, and max capacitor. Costs CPU and is a low slot. Finally you got frigate sized PG upgrades (micro auxiliary power core) that simply provide a +# bonus instead of a % bonus, offering more PG than any one of the other modules due to a frigate's low PG. Costs CPU and is a low slot. For Dust, the way I see it, is you're going to have to add the third type of PG upgrades to offer more PG on suits with less PG. Though you're stuck with them being low slot modules that cost CPU, not a lot, but still something.
could never add a flat +powergrid module. it would either be used by everyone, or no one. pg is sort of balanced per slot of suits. Now a PDS on the other hand,giving small bonuses to shield on top of more pg(if more shield tanked suits had pg issues) might help stop shield suits hybrid tanking. then maybe put standard pg upgrades (which higher pg gains and loss of a few cpu which armor tanks care about less) in high slots gives them an option of more armor tank because they tend to be limited more on pg then shield tanked suits. |
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
821
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Posted - 2014.06.11 18:00:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:It's not being abused, it's not really being used at all. Why does it cost CPU and why is it in my low slot, when I need PG for my low slot. You are trolling yes?
Why trolling? This is the exact problem I have. I need more PG for my Minscout but what I need it for, kincats and armor, are low slots. So if I have enough PG I have no slots and vice versa.
Because, that's why.
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Harpyja
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1861
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Posted - 2014.06.11 18:08:00 -
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Floyd20 Azizora wrote:Harpyja wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:It's not being abused, it's not really being used at all. Why does it cost CPU and why is it in my low slot, when I need PG for my low slot. Well it's the same in EVE. Though there are different kinds of PG upgrades. The first is just a straight up PG upgrade (reactor control unit) which is a % bonus and costs CPU. Low slot. The second is the power diagnostic system, which offers much less PG %, but also offers % bonuses to shield recharge, max shield, capacitor recharge, and max capacitor. Costs CPU and is a low slot. Finally you got frigate sized PG upgrades (micro auxiliary power core) that simply provide a +# bonus instead of a % bonus, offering more PG than any one of the other modules due to a frigate's low PG. Costs CPU and is a low slot. For Dust, the way I see it, is you're going to have to add the third type of PG upgrades to offer more PG on suits with less PG. Though you're stuck with them being low slot modules that cost CPU, not a lot, but still something. could never add a flat +powergrid module. it would either be used by everyone, or no one. pg is sort of balanced per slot of suits. Now a PDS on the other hand,giving small bonuses to shield on top of more pg(if more shield tanked suits had pg issues) might help stop shield suits hybrid tanking. then maybe put standard pg upgrades (which higher pg gains and loss of a few cpu which armor tanks care about less) in high slots gives them an option of more armor tank because they tend to be limited more on pg then shield tanked suits.
It'd definitely be used. Say it gives a flat 15 PG and the other PG upgrade gives a flat 10%. On a suit with 100 PG (hypothetical) using the first gives more PG. However, a suit with 200 PG is better off with the second one.
"By His light, and His will"
- The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
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Floyd20 Azizora
L.O.T.I.S.
51
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Posted - 2014.06.11 18:20:00 -
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no suit goes over 100pg now. it would be very hard to balance, and that's before putting basics into this. imagine a basic suit with more pg then a base protosuit? the microaux core was created because the pg%bonus was not strong enough on frigates, where the pg is lowest. |
Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
10313
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Posted - 2014.06.11 18:31:00 -
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Gelan Corbaine wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:You have no idea how much I dislike how PG upgrades work Personally, all it really amounts to for me is getting an extra complex plate on my Gal Logi. What suit is it being abused on? Because I can guarantee you it's not the Logi. He kind of needs it actually. I literally can't fit a good proto suit without one, Minmatar gear for you. Scout right? Assault, Sentinel, Logistics and Comamndo can all fit stuff just fine. Don't bring down everyone because one suit is bad, improve that suit. Sentinel ..... sure ( To a ridiculous degree I'll admit ) Assault ,Com , and Logi ? It's tight .........very very tight .....doable but tight with maxed core skills and some points in fitting op.
Assault actually has more CPU/PG than Caldari and Gallente... (Amarr win in that case though)
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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