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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.06.10 04:00:00 -
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Meee One wrote:When a gaming company pitches a new concept for a game and one of the things their most proud of is: -Being able to backstab people that trust you
And encourage this kind of behavior by rewarding it (loot).
Does this sound familiar?
It's what EVE is about...... isn't the intrigue one of the reasons you came to Dust 514?
"You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength."
-Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.06.10 04:30:00 -
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Meee One wrote:True Adamance wrote:Meee One wrote:When a gaming company pitches a new concept for a game and one of the things their most proud of is: -Being able to backstab people that trust you
And encourage this kind of behavior by rewarding it (loot).
Does this sound familiar? It's what EVE is about...... isn't the intrigue one of the reasons you came to Dust 514? Nope,i came to Dust because i was bored and it was free. And unlike all these "bonkers for Dust" people,i couldn't care less if the game shut down within the next 12 hours. I'd never heard of EVE before Dust,and since there are methods installed by the game creators themselves to backstab with 0 penalty,i'll never play it. And all the reasonings behind these "buffs & nerfs" is beyond baffeling. It's as if they intentionally want Dust to fail. Seriously,the recon unit out killing the killing unit? The support unit being paper thin,slow,and less effective in combat? Never in the history of gaming should you have a unit that only accels at "carrying stuff" without giving it some form of defense,whether it be speed,armor or weapons. And instakills are insane too,600 damage in a single shot from the fastest unit? That's freaking crazy. They shouldn't be able to have that much power and that much speed. (see also:Heavy + HMG + LAV) And those "lolspecialities" where some weapons are supposed to be good vs a certain defense,yet RRs can annihilate shields at long ranges. And shotguns can obliterate armor. Unless CCP makes their effectiveness more extreme all weapons are equal,just using different models and firing speeds. EG RR vs shields 50% vs armor 90% Shotgun vs shield 110% vs armor 55 %
Perhaps then New Eden is not a place that will suit your.......fragile sensibilities......
"You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength."
-Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.06.11 01:35:00 -
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The-DON of-DOT-MAFIA wrote:Meee One wrote:When a gaming company pitches a new concept for a game and one of the things their most proud of is: -Being able to backstab people that trust you
And encourage this kind of behavior by rewarding it (loot).
Does this sound familiar? This game type is stupid beyond belief. If you are a believer, then I say your a stupid evetard. No hardcore shooter fan will play it. FPS players like Dust, because it necessitates teamwork not bullshit back stabbing-if CCP Kickaginger thinks it will work well that is fuktarded. PVE should be a squad measuring tool that produces aggregate and grainular scores, based on-highest lvl, isk efficiency, death count, accuracy vs explosives damage etc. This data would then be CEO and Contract useful. LOOT is for NOOBS and losers.
Pfff well when I am rolling in Bounties, NPC Dog Tags, and general wealth for extended and careful trips to the Salvage fields I'll be sitting on my vinyard estate in High Sec, sipping a cup of spiced wine and nibbling the finest if Amarrian delicacies noting with supreme satisfaction I made a **** ton of money and defeated other aggressive player groups.
I am actually all about the combining of PvE and PvP in Dust.
Sure you can try and farm goodies out on the salvage fields but a group off pirates and ruffians might simply be following you from site to site until they can kill and loot you for the goods.
"You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength."
-Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.06.11 02:43:00 -
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Meee One wrote:True Adamance wrote:Meee One wrote:True Adamance wrote:Meee One wrote:When a gaming company pitches a new concept for a game and one of the things their most proud of is: -Being able to backstab people that trust you
And encourage this kind of behavior by rewarding it (loot).
Does this sound familiar? It's what EVE is about...... isn't the intrigue one of the reasons you came to Dust 514? Nope,i came to Dust because i was bored and it was free. And unlike all these "bonkers for Dust" people,i couldn't care less if the game shut down within the next 12 hours. I'd never heard of EVE before Dust,and since there are methods installed by the game creators themselves to backstab with 0 penalty,i'll never play it. And all the reasonings behind these "buffs & nerfs" is beyond baffeling. It's as if they intentionally want Dust to fail. Seriously,the recon unit out killing the killing unit? The support unit being paper thin,slow,and less effective in combat? Never in the history of gaming should you have a unit that only accels at "carrying stuff" without giving it some form of defense,whether it be speed,armor or weapons. And instakills are insane too,600 damage in a single shot from the fastest unit? That's freaking crazy. They shouldn't be able to have that much power and that much speed. (see also:Heavy + HMG + LAV) And those "lolspecialities" where some weapons are supposed to be good vs a certain defense,yet RRs can annihilate shields at long ranges. And shotguns can obliterate armor. Unless CCP makes their effectiveness more extreme all weapons are equal,just using different models and firing speeds. EG RR vs shields 50% vs armor 90% Shotgun vs shield 110% vs armor 55 % Perhaps then New Eden is not a place that will suit your.......fragile sensibilities...... Yes call me weak,because i refuse to participate in a game that rewards being a traitor. Trust is invaluable and traitors should be skinned alive as a warning to others. Do you feel justified? You have emersed yourself in evil so long you have become numb to it,and even happily partake at your leisure. You are a deceived fool.
Its because this game allows for betrayal that trust and loyalty have far more value than in any other game.
In a typical FPS you could leave you clan and rat on how they train or who their A team is. I Dust you can fleece them for their wealth, kick their members and AWOX them in the field.
It is because we have those options that the loyalty I show to PIE Inc and PLCAS, and by extent the Amarr Empire that forms the basis of what and I am and determines the worth of that loyalty, which in a game like EVE and Dust could and should be measured in ISK.
Typically in most RPGs I like to take the path of the bad guy, in Dust I finally tried the good guy, however its again because of the fact I can be betrayed and taken for what I am worth that the feeling and community of being in my corporation is so great, the intrigue, the mystery, the white/black/grey etc that makes New Eden a wonderful world of amoral goodeness.
If you call me decieved because I welcome this aspect, am constantly aware of it, and am careful because of it then deceived I am. I am certainly glad I am not the typical mindless FPS player who couldn't put 2 and 2 together to save his life.
"You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength."
-Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.06.11 09:17:00 -
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Gemini Cuspid wrote:
A good idea of how this "good and evil" works in EVE is a betrayal can utterly devastate all assets and ISK owned by the corp. Here you just go "meh I'll pop up free militia gear"; you're never really in liue of being so desolate that you can't bring anything to the table. Yes I've played Eve and the fact is this game isn't EVE and doesn't even have a well thought out game mechanics and that's where in lays the problem: this is a game that needs to have a good foundation to be successful and it's been lacking in it. I don't need anyone to bring in this whole EVE "role-playing", players want a functional game more than anything before hand.
But that is where you are wrong Gemini.
Dust exists within New Eden. The same rules that apply in New Eden will apply here, however in different ways that are more appropriate for Dust gameplay.
The purpose of what Dust is supposed to be, or was supposed to be, is a connected and immersive universe conveyed through an FPS platform.
It can have both a strong foundation of that FPS and have a well connected, developed, and encompassing lore. Half of what Dust is and will be in Legion is directly attributed to lore.
You can get a mindless FPS experience in COD, BF, and or any FPS game that decided to add multiplayer to its arsenal.
Legion can and must be more, and I will lobby on the forums and through proper CCP channels to ensure that this fact is considered and prevalent throughout the entire development process.
"You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength."
-Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.06.11 22:49:00 -
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The-DON of-DOT-MAFIA wrote:True Adamance wrote:The-DON of-DOT-MAFIA wrote:Meee One wrote:When a gaming company pitches a new concept for a game and one of the things their most proud of is: -Being able to backstab people that trust you
And encourage this kind of behavior by rewarding it (loot).
Does this sound familiar? This game type is stupid beyond belief. If you are a believer, then I say your a stupid evetard. No hardcore shooter fan will play it. FPS players like Dust, because it necessitates teamwork not bullshit back stabbing-if CCP Kickaginger thinks it will work well that is fuktarded. PVE should be a squad measuring tool that produces aggregate and grainular scores, based on-highest lvl, isk efficiency, death count, accuracy vs explosives damage etc. This data would then be CEO and Contract useful. LOOT is for NOOBS and losers. Pfff well when I am rolling in Bounties, NPC Dog Tags, and general wealth for extended and careful trips to the Salvage fields I'll be sitting on my vinyard estate in High Sec, sipping a cup of spiced wine and nibbling the finest if Amarrian delicacies noting with supreme satisfaction I made a **** ton of money and defeated other aggressive player groups. I am actually all about the combining of PvE and PvP in Dust. Sure you can try and farm goodies out on the salvage fields but a group off pirates and ruffians might simply be following you from site to site until they can kill and loot you for the goods. Like I said loot game types are fuktarded, and your whole sipping and nibbling description colors it properly.
It's what will help drive Legions economy, ratting, mission running, open world looting fields, killing other players in these looting zones, etc.
You have yet to describe to me why they are "fuktarded", that not even being a real word, as such I can't take you seriously.....
"You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength."
-Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.06.12 00:51:00 -
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Reign Omega wrote:Sipping and nibbling the finest of amarrian delicacies, you do realize amarrian isn't a "real" word either? Don't straddle the fence.
Technically I think the correct term is Amarrad or Amarradi..... but yes we do see the OP's point....it's a little obvious and my intent was not to give him all that much credence due to his unfortunate reputation/ history of being a whiner.
"You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength."
-Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.06.12 05:29:00 -
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OZAROW wrote:True Adamance wrote:Meee One wrote:When a gaming company pitches a new concept for a game and one of the things their most proud of is: -Being able to backstab people that trust you
And encourage this kind of behavior by rewarding it (loot).
Does this sound familiar? It's what EVE is about...... isn't the intrigue one of the reasons you came to Dust 514? Lol ya but nobody expected it to take our real life money when they said it was a 7 year game! We didn't count on them including beta, uprising, legion and them probably owning pc companies to profit on the switch to pc, which is probably unlikely but I wouldn't put anything past them now.
That's pretty much unrelated to the in game mechanics.
"You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength."
-Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
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