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Eko Sol
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Posted - 2014.06.10 00:53:00 -
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I help in PC as a min scout and often solo reasonably large squads IN PC and am a top performer between both teams. I need 0 changes to be able to continue to do this.
That being said, I do believe that the min scout can use a little love. ONLY A LITTLE. Any one or combination of the following:
1) 10% base bonus to current speed
2) Increase base PG by 4 on all suits
3) Increase base cpu by 10 on al suits
4) Increase Code breaking skill from 5% per skill point to 7%
5) An even higher bonus for nova knives
That would be all it needs to be more competitive. Again, I wouldn't do all of them but at least 1 or 2 should be considered. I, personally, would like to see 1 and 4. That would make it so much more viable. Imagine getting hacks 10% faster and being able to truly speed tank with only one complex kinkat.
As far as changes are concerned. They would HAVE to be server side. CCP has commented on more than one occasion that the changes they make will not be on the client side.
In addition, there will be zero 3 prec enhancer cal scouts in PC as far as I am concerned. You absolutely have to survive some shots and with PC bed ridden with HMG's with 5 proficiency and ACR/CR with 5 proficiency, relying on armor for HP is just dumb. Every skilled Cal Scout would agree. The only ones running 3 prec enhancers will be with a large group in which case you shouldn't be purusing or moving in on. The heavies, Logi's, and Assualt/Escorts will be doing that in which case 3 PE's are completely unnecessary.
If you use an Adv Cloak with 2x complex dampeners on the min scout then you will get just under (I believe) a cal scout with 3 precision enhancers. With the speed of a min scout (if you don't wreck it with plates) will allow for you to cloak outside of 50 meters (now 42 I think with hotfix alpha) and catch them.
3x complex dampener min scout isn't a gimped min scout either btw. If you have to run 3 then run 3. I do it often enough and have success with it.
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Eko Sol
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Posted - 2014.06.10 01:00:00 -
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Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote:Eko Sol wrote:...and being able to truly speed tank with only one complex kinkat. Thats what my entire suggestion is about :) Right now, against most competent opponents, every city squad will have a caldari scout built for precision /range that is unbeatable by min scouts. I believe that the suit needs this buff so it doesn't have to worry about speed and can simply use its other low slots to dampen with. 2 complex damps on any scout should also beat anything other than a gallogi focused scan in other words, gallogi active scans should be > cal scout passives no matter what mods you put not the suit
Really, squads shouldn't be able to share the tacnet map. If they took that stupid thing away then the cal bonus would, practically, become useless. The whole reason people don't use active scanners anymore is because they can see what a cal scout sees.
PSN is "Ekopalm"
I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games
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Eko Sol
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Posted - 2014.06.10 02:49:00 -
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Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote:OZAROW wrote:D4GG3R wrote:Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote:D4GG3R wrote:
NO. It has a perfect role in PC, it is perfectly viable.
Which is....? Hacking. It hacks sh it. thats what it does. you know, the most important thing about PC??? Yup! Hide, don't die, hack, don't die lol Which is nice on paper, but when you get scanned from 40 m away before you can get close to an objective by a cal scout with an ACR and a squad full of gal heavies with boundless HMG's....being able to hack a second faster than other suits doesn't do you much good if you get killed before you can get close to the objective
I don't think of Min scout like others. I think of it as a Harasser class.
It's entire goal is to be a huge and annoying threat at an objective and make the other team move resources to that objective. Sometimes it's better to NOT get the kill at the objective so they think there are more than 1 scout harassing them.
For example. We all know the map where you have D, A, and E in direct line with a bridge in between and then there is a city with B and C. A min scout would practically solo the city. The idea would be to draw as many of their resources as possible into that city in a PC as possible. It took 7 people at some point to stop me from effing with them. This was a PC against some bad a$$ ringers. Djinn Loki had to stop what he was doing at the important objectives to come get me because the rest of the other ringers couldn't stop me entirely. Actually, it got to a point where heavies were spinning in random ass circles and firing randomly at points of entry to stop me. Ok, just one was doing this. It was quite effective.
Min scout is fine as it is. I listed some things I would like to see simply because I do think it can use a LITTLE (I have to stress that word) love. It is not as effective in teams as Gal and Cal scouts (i.e. built in dampening gives assault like status to Gal and Call shares tacnet display). The A-scout has a better slot layout then min Scout IMO but could use some love as well.
But if they changed absolutely nothing then I would be fine with it.
EDIT: The more I think about it. I really like the Min Scout as is. I think the nerf to Cal and gal scouts and to cloak has increased the value of the min scout. I don't want any love.
PSN is "Ekopalm"
I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games
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Eko Sol
Strange Playings
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Posted - 2014.06.10 04:15:00 -
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D4GG3R wrote:Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote:D4GG3R wrote:Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote:D4GG3R wrote:
I ran it in PC against DDB the other day in a PC and went 17-4 and hacked the hell out of that map with a min scout. Just keep your distance amd have cal scout in your squad, then that cal scout on the other side has literally no advantage over you. It 100% do-able.
No offense, but your argument would have been so much better if you hadn't included the name of the afore mentioned corp. If you had said a better corp, I would have been convinced. Also, I have never seen you run a min scout before. Maybe we should squad sometime and you could indulge me upon your secrets to success? Yeah....... Thats true, I kinda ****** my point up there.. Okay lets do it :D Haha cool. Ill prob be on tomorrow at like 4 or 5 EST if you have time then  Sure thing, I have to much time on my hands..
LOL, I want in on this. I'll be on. MSG me in game when you logon and or send me an invite. We can have a threesome of Min Scouts
Wait....
Errr, ehm, Sorry. Let's just do min scout stuff together.....as friends....
PSN is "Ekopalm"
I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games
Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...
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