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Buwaro Draemon
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Posted - 2014.06.10 00:16:00 -
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To bring down the cloaked brick tanked scouts? My earlier post got shitted on while it was only a measly idea. I only asked how you guys felt about the idea, but you guys are so deffensive with the scouts...
I said to dumb down a little their pg/cpu
To take away an equipment slot
To thanks to them carrying 2 equipment slots, then make them only use sidearms
All of this were a no.
If we try changing the modules again, then all we'll be doing is hindering the other suits that actually need those modules (Amarr and gallente medium/heavy suits)
It is not the cloak that I hate. I have learned to spot them rather fast. It is the whole idea of scouts having more ehp than a medium suit and still keep their amazing strafing speed.
"tries to flank" "cloaked scout surprise rapes me" K DEN
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Buwaro Draemon
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Posted - 2014.06.10 03:26:00 -
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Meee One wrote:Buwaro Draemon wrote:To bring down the cloaked brick tanked scouts? My earlier post got shitted on while it was only a measly idea. I only asked how you guys felt about the idea, but you guys are so deffensive with the scouts... I said to dumb down a little their pg/cpu To take away an equipment slot To thanks to them carrying 2 equipment slots, then make them only use sidearms All of this were a no. If we try changing the modules again, then all we'll be doing is hindering the other suits that actually need those modules (Amarr and gallente medium/heavy suits) It is not the cloak that I hate. I have learned to spot them rather fast. It is the whole idea of scouts having more ehp than a medium suit and still keep their amazing strafing speed. EDIT: Here is linky link I wouldn't mind scouts having 2 equipment slots if they had to sacrifice like logis do. EG. A Cal Logi gives up: -Armor -Shields -Movement+Sprint speed -A sidearm -Regen speed + Regen amount All for that +1 slot. Yet scouts don't? It's ridiculous. Logistics is made specifically to handle the burden of extra equipment,yet they are penalised in every way to do so. Yet scouts can do it better,faster,and still have a skill they beat other suits in? Absolutely moronic.
Exactly my point. But no. No one wants that change. Yet, people keep complaining how OP scouts are, yet they don't want any change except stats. This community is as bipolar as an girl I've ever met
"tries to flank" "cloaked scout surprise rapes me" K DEN
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Buwaro Draemon
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Posted - 2014.06.10 03:34:00 -
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Atiim wrote:How about making Shield and Armor HP Modules yield % values as opposed to a static amount of HP? That way, you could brick your Light Frame with as many Extenders and Plating as you desire, but it wouldn't do much good.
I think that this will need a client side update. It could work but I really doubt that CCP will add it any time soon or not at all.
"tries to flank" "cloaked scout surprise rapes me" K DEN
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Buwaro Draemon
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Posted - 2014.06.10 05:46:00 -
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Kaltos Darksbane wrote:Never question the FOTM chasers! What would they do without thier crutches?
Find a new crutch. That's what they always do. As soon as something is changed they scream for a respec in order to get the next big thing.
"tries to flank" "cloaked scout surprise rapes me" K DEN
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Buwaro Draemon
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Posted - 2014.06.10 15:05:00 -
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An earlier I was in a match where a Dragonfly suit had almost the same amount of armor than my Gallente Commando!
My Galmando rocks rocks 527 armor
This scout was rocking 525 armor
Not even halfway through the match and he had 20+ kills and no deaths.
When scouts can rock nearly the same armor hp like eavies but still be more felexible, nimble and faster than all of the suits in game, there is clearly something wrong.
The problem isn't in the armor plates. It's in the suits.
"tries to flank" "cloaked scout surprise rapes me" K DEN
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Buwaro Draemon
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Posted - 2014.06.10 20:11:00 -
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Sergeant Sazu wrote:My opinion:
The movement penalty for Armor Plates needs to go up even more. Having massive HP still outweighs the reduced movement.
Cloaks can be as OP as they want; but sidearms only when a cloak is equipped. This is balance, evident in Planetside 2. The class that cloaks can only have SMGs, sniper rifles, and other weapons that are overall inferior in that game.
Just a side note, but the Light class still lacks a specialist role. I would be all over a Scout with 3 sidearms.
Giving more speed penalties to armor plates will just hinder Amarr suits. Since they are already the slowest without armor plates, they become even slower when equipped with it. Giving more speed penalties to armor plates would just make the Amarr the turtle of the game and easy bait. That is a no. Also this applies to the Gallente.
Like I said. The problem is the scout suit. It can be an Assault suit, a Logi and ascout and yet it sacrifices nothing. (I am not counting those who EWAR tank their scouts. Now those are the real scouts of the game).
A logi sacrifices health, speed and a sidearm all for that extra equipment slot.
The scout sacrifices nothing since you can have more armor than an unmoded Commando suit, yet be faster than it and keep the scouts strafing speed while having that exttra equipment slot.
Yeah, scout suits ARE OP. Either take away one equipment slot and along some of their pg/cpu or only make them carry sidearms.
Only way to make them balanced and at the same that will give the assaults a small buff.
"tries to flank" "cloaked scout surprise rapes me" K DEN
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Buwaro Draemon
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Posted - 2014.06.10 20:47:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:No such thing as a "cloaked" brick tanked scout anymore. There might be some jackass running a cloak who thinks he's invisible but the fact is he's quite easily spotted. If you want to be stealthy you have to run specific fits. Run a scanner or bring a cal scout. The more health the easier they are to detect. It's called teamwork and squad play.
Any scout not wearing 2 to 3 damps plus an adv or proto cloak can be seen and scanned from a mile away. Any scout with 2-3 damps and a cloak is going to have 400hp or less.
Run fits to counter fits. Crazy thought I know.
Then why do I keep running into cloaked brinked tank gallente and cal scouts with shotties or Six Kin ACR?
"tries to flank" "cloaked scout surprise rapes me" K DEN
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Buwaro Draemon
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Posted - 2014.06.10 22:31:00 -
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Espartoi wrote:Hmm remake the game.
AKA Legion
"tries to flank" "cloaked scout surprise rapes me" K DEN
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Buwaro Draemon
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Posted - 2014.06.11 00:34:00 -
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Soreconyr wrote:The Heavies and Scouts aren't the problem.
It's Medium Frames/Assaults/Logis with their inferior eHP and Bonuses.
Fixing Scouts (or Heavies) based on the limitations of terrible Medium frame loadouts is a bad idea.
However, Armor Plates should have a greater Movement Penalty on Scouts. It's a smaller frame carrying more weight. Physics n' whatnot...
The second equipment slot isn't the greatest idea, especially if it's not applicable to Dropsuits that should be more utilitarian, such as Assaults.
No. Even if Assault suits were to be changed right now, we will still see few of them. Why use a clunky assault suit when you can have more ehp, carry 2 equipment and have the best starfing speed? Not to mention the passive bonuses Gallente and Caldari scout get.
And making armor plates affect each suit differently then that would need to implement a client side update. Something which is very rare to happen any time in this life time.
"tries to flank" "cloaked scout surprise rapes me" K DEN
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Buwaro Draemon
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Posted - 2014.06.11 01:31:00 -
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Espartoi wrote:Buwaro Draemon wrote:Espartoi wrote:Hmm remake the game. AKA Legion That is a port not a remake.
No.
"tries to flank" "cloaked scout surprise rapes me" K DEN
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Buwaro Draemon
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Posted - 2014.06.11 06:33:00 -
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mattphi94 wrote:What do you guys think of these ideas?
In order to balance the scouts we can:
1. Reduce PG & CPU by 10 to 20%
It is strange that small suit has more resources, than an assault suit. For example, Assault gk.0 60kW / 300gf vs Scout gk.0 74kW / 330gF.
2. Only 2 sidearms and no light weapons.
3. Remove the second drop suit equip slot.
4. If you think the cloak is overpower, then perhaps we can remove the -25% on scan profile. It can even be turn into a penalty such as +12%STD, +8ADV, and +2 or 0 for Proto.
In order to make the assault more viable we can:
1. Add an extra slot for grenades
2. Or use the same resistance bonuses that the sentential have.
3. Or an extra drop suit equip slot.
I'm basing the first two on Webster definition of assault:
"a military attack usually involving direct combat with enemy forces."
The grenades can help storm buildings, and the resistance would help on direct combat.
I love your ideas but I must go against ou on giving the Assaults a second equipment slot. That will make them even better than Logis. And we don't want that to happen. Give the Assaults a second grenade slot and keep the scout nerfs you suggested.
"tries to flank" "cloaked scout surprise rapes me" K DEN
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Buwaro Draemon
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Posted - 2014.06.11 07:13:00 -
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Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:Being worried about brick tanked scouts is for Pub matches.
In PC, your brick tanked scout will be scanned, if their team is any good at all.
Since I have never participated in PC (sadly) then brinked tanked scouts won't be as big of a problem.
I only play pub matches, which mean I get low payouts. And more than half of my deaths and half of the people I kill are cal scouts and gal scouts with way more EHP than my Mini Sentinel....
"tries to flank" "cloaked scout surprise rapes me" K DEN
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Buwaro Draemon
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Posted - 2014.06.11 21:38:00 -
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It would be nice to get some info on this, CCP
"tries to flank" "cloaked scout surprise rapes me" K DEN
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Buwaro Draemon
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Posted - 2014.06.12 03:49:00 -
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SKULL ERASER wrote:Buwaro Draemon wrote:To bring down the cloaked brick tanked scouts? Blow their heads off.
If the hitboxes allow it
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Buwaro Draemon
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Posted - 2014.06.12 09:17:00 -
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SKULL ERASER wrote:Buwaro Draemon wrote:SKULL ERASER wrote:Buwaro Draemon wrote:To bring down the cloaked brick tanked scouts? Blow their heads off. If the hitboxes allow it Grind the if away. Reds are getting dumber anyhow.
Sorry. WHEN the hitbox allows it
"tries to flank" "cloaked scout surprise rapes me" K DEN
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Buwaro Draemon
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Posted - 2014.06.12 15:33:00 -
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Meee One wrote:mattphi94 wrote:What do you guys think of these ideas?
In order to balance the scouts we can:
1. Reduce PG & CPU by 10 to 20%
It is strange that small suit has more resources, than an assault suit. For example, Assault gk.0 60kW / 300gf vs Scout gk.0 74kW / 330gF.
2. Only 2 sidearms and no light weapons.
3. Remove the second drop suit equip slot.
4. If you think the cloak is overpower, then perhaps we can remove the -25% on scan profile. It can even be turn into a penalty such as +12%STD, +8ADV, and +2 or 0 for Proto.
In order to make the assault more viable we can:
1. Add an extra slot for grenades
2. Or use the same resistance bonuses that the sentential have.
3. Or an extra drop suit equip slot.
I'm basing the first two on Webster definition of assault:
"a military attack usually involving direct combat with enemy forces."
The grenades can help storm buildings, and the resistance would help on direct combat.
 i hate OP scouts but i'd never nerf them that much. Just buff assault cpu/pg. No extra spam slot,even if it were "only for AV" If damage resist were applied,it should be against their racial enemy,and only 1 bonus .
I was thinking more like add one of these nerfs to the scout suits.
As each one of these negates them from being more frontline effective than Assault's and heavies.
Except the cloak field one. That one has already been applied.
"tries to flank" "cloaked scout surprise rapes me" K DEN
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Buwaro Draemon
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Posted - 2014.06.12 22:43:00 -
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Buwaro Draemon wrote:Meee One wrote:mattphi94 wrote:What do you guys think of these ideas?
In order to balance the scouts we can:
1. Reduce PG & CPU by 10 to 20%
It is strange that small suit has more resources, than an assault suit. For example, Assault gk.0 60kW / 300gf vs Scout gk.0 74kW / 330gF.
2. Only 2 sidearms and no light weapons.
3. Remove the second drop suit equip slot.
4. If you think the cloak is overpower, then perhaps we can remove the -25% on scan profile. It can even be turn into a penalty such as +12%STD, +8ADV, and +2 or 0 for Proto.
In order to make the assault more viable we can:
1. Add an extra slot for grenades
2. Or use the same resistance bonuses that the sentential have.
3. Or an extra drop suit equip slot.
I'm basing the first two on Webster definition of assault:
"a military attack usually involving direct combat with enemy forces."
The grenades can help storm buildings, and the resistance would help on direct combat.
i hate OP scouts but i'd never nerf them that much. Just buff assault cpu/pg. No extra spam slot,even if it were "only for AV" If damage resist were applied,it should be against their racial enemy,and only 1 bonus . I was thinking more like add one of these nerfs to the scout suits. As each one of these negates them from being more frontline effective than Assault's and heavies. Except the cloak field one. That one has already been applied.
And I think the Assaults needs a special layout that'll define their existence in the battlefield. Because right now they have the most basic of layouts.
"tries to flank" "cloaked scout surprise rapes me" K DEN
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Buwaro Draemon
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Posted - 2014.06.14 20:28:00 -
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Lynn Beck wrote:Lower PG/CPU, as Scouts are supposed to sacrifice either a sidearm or an equipment, as this is originally wha it was meantfor.
They can't have both without sacrificing nothing.
"Oh but we sacrifice EHP for that extra slot"
Yeah but that EHP can be duplicated to it being compatible to a Commando's EHP.
It's loose 1 and keep the other but having them both is OP.
"tries to flank" "cloaked scout surprise rapes me" K DEN
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