DUST Search - Should I run for CPM 1?

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

The Black Jackal wrote:

I'm of two minds about this.

On the one hand, IWS, I respect you, what you've done, and how much you have put into the game as a member of the CPM0. You've gone above and beyond, and that is something great. And in this sense, I believe you would be a huge asset to the next CPM1.

On the flip side, however, this is the first elected CPM. Bringing some of the reputation from CPM0 to CPM1 is a two-edged sword. Many in the community feel that the CPM0 betrayed the community with the Legion thing, and still uphold their... opinions. They are wrong, and calling for you all to have quit, or otherwise made a stand by breaking NDA is even worse, but many in the community feel this way, and I wouldn't like 'that' part of the CPM0's reputation tainting the CPM1.

Sometimes, a clean break is what is needed to restore faith in an elected body.

Now this here is a compelling argument against my run that fits the argument proper.

In direct reply to the issue. I feel that what actions the CPM has done in light of Legion was most appropriate and if CPM 1 cannot be held to a similar standard of holding on tightly to the NDA then the establishment cannot be trusted with future work on any scale. The whole CPM threatening to break NDA as a group and Mass Resigns are final doomsday options; an option best used on something far far far more serious than Legion's announcement. While I don't know what sort of situation could possibly happen to resort to such; it would be something that if CCP goes through with it, might as well not elect another council as such will no longer be necessary type of deals. Legion as we all now know is not one of those situations.

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Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15283	Posted - 2014.06.02 19:34:00 - [1] - Quote Well I am currently on the fence about the subject overall. Running would make me the only CPM 0 member to be running for CPM 1. As much as stressful CPM 0 is and knowing that CPM 1 is going to be just as stressful, I really dont want to see the steam lost going into CPM 1; I really don't want to see the work undone in CPM 1 and ultimately I would like to see CPM 2 become a reality as well and maybe that would be our first peacetime CPM. So what do you guys think? To run or not to run? that is question I ask. And if you're going to try to convince me to not to run please do not rattle yourself off as an anti-cpm establishment type of person. You know who you are. I know I haven't been embedded with the community as much as I could but between college, job hunting, and keeping up on the game and forums its quite a bit of things to do. People that know me really well do know that even without a white tag I would be just as much as a prolific poster (probably more so) and with speculations and crazy ideas posting and beyond. CPM work has consistently distracted me from doing these things as I remained focused on the job at hand. I would likely retain the secretary seat but I want to be a bit more vocal in the meetings this go around at least. Just need someone to smack me when I come up with a bad idea. Even if I don't get elected or don't run there is an alumni channel the CPM 1 members will have access too (and eventually be admitted into) if they are ever looking for advice from previous cpm members. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Gallente Logistics =// Unlocked
Anarchide Greedy Bastards 2155	Posted - 2014.06.02 19:38:00 - [2] - Quote You definitevely should. As they say: The more the merrier! Internet King
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 13945	Posted - 2014.06.02 19:46:00 - [3] - Quote I'd vote for you, personally. I'm a little baffled as to why you'd volunteer to be the focus of so much hate -again- though. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Cross Atu for CPM1
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2620	Posted - 2014.06.02 20:41:00 - [4] - Quote I've always felt one CPM0 member should definitely carry over, to help ensure we don't lose any ground. From a public relations standpoint, you aren't particularly... good at it... to be bluntly honest, but you do communicate very actively on the forums, which is a good thing. I'd advise you to run if you feel like you want to survive another year in the hot seat. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 279	Posted - 2014.06.02 21:08:00 - [5] - Quote I think you should run. We need some continuity in CPM 1, and I think you would be an excellent candidate. I know you have received a lot of flack from the community, and honestly you need to increase your diplomatic proficiency to level III (at least) However, you have shown great interaction towards the community, and that what's count in my book. (Also loved your suggestions for PVE and tutorials you put out.) Now, get back into the fight merc!
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 1374	Posted - 2014.06.02 22:20:00 - [6] - Quote Some continuity would be nice on the CPM to be honest. And it would be great if after all the flack you got for not being elected by certain people to then watch them struggle to come up with reasons why you shouldn't be on the CPM with an elected mandate instead. If we do both get elected, could you make my job easier by reading and then rereading your forum replies before clicking post? Pretty please.... CPM1 Candidate CEO of DUST University
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property 9055	Posted - 2014.06.02 22:31:00 - [7] - Quote Yes, in fact your one of the few people who I've had my fingers crossed about running again. I'd love to see an educated reason as to why you shouldn't be apart of CPM1. HvLP Spreadsheet Warrior Why Do Slayers Get All The Credit? :( -HAND
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15290	Posted - 2014.06.02 22:33:00 - [8] - Quote Atiim wrote: Yes, in fact your one of the few people who I've had my fingers crossed about running again. I'd love to see an educated reason as to why you shouldn't be apart of CPM1. I know a few individuals can provided a well grounded and mature reason as to why not to run. Getting them to post is another ordeal overall. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Gallente Logistics =// Unlocked
Llast 326 An Arkhos 3397	Posted - 2014.06.02 22:48:00 - [9] - Quote I would say do it. As long as it does not interfere with education, and employment, or other aspects of life. But as you indicated you focus on the task at hand, this is something that you can control. If taking a lesser role in secretarial position allows you to be more vocal and lessens your CPM workload to a point where you can accomplish your outside of game goals, i see no problems. You have experience, and from what I understand organizational abilities that are rare to find in such positions. I don't always agree with your point of view but i do appreciate it. Also you seem to anger the people that I like to see angry. KRRROOOOOOM
Zatara Rought General Tso's Alliance 3345	Posted - 2014.06.03 00:18:00 - [10] - Quote I had mentioned before numerous times that your creativity for solving dilemma's could be a huge asset. And bridging CPM0 and CPM1 could be crucial depending on Shanghai's posturing. CEO of FA, Candidate for CPM1 Follow me on twitter Skype Zatara.Rought

Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1804	Posted - 2014.06.03 00:42:00 - [11] - Quote I say yes. I think the new cpm could benefit from having someone who was on it before. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
The Black Jackal The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 1199	Posted - 2014.06.03 00:57:00 - [12] - Quote I'm of two minds about this. On the one hand, IWS, I respect you, what you've done, and how much you have put into the game as a member of the CPM0. You've gone above and beyond, and that is something great. And in this sense, I believe you would be a huge asset to the next CPM1. On the flip side, however, this is the first elected CPM. Bringing some of the reputation from CPM0 to CPM1 is a two-edged sword. Many in the community feel that the CPM0 betrayed the community with the Legion thing, and still uphold their... opinions. They are wrong, and calling for you all to have quit, or otherwise made a stand by breaking NDA is even worse, but many in the community feel this way, and I wouldn't like 'that' part of the CPM0's reputation tainting the CPM1. Sometimes, a clean break is what is needed to restore faith in an elected body. The Black Jackal for CPM1
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15298	Posted - 2014.06.03 03:16:00 - [13] - Quote The Black Jackal wrote: I'm of two minds about this. On the one hand, IWS, I respect you, what you've done, and how much you have put into the game as a member of the CPM0. You've gone above and beyond, and that is something great. And in this sense, I believe you would be a huge asset to the next CPM1. On the flip side, however, this is the first elected CPM. Bringing some of the reputation from CPM0 to CPM1 is a two-edged sword. Many in the community feel that the CPM0 betrayed the community with the Legion thing, and still uphold their... opinions. They are wrong, and calling for you all to have quit, or otherwise made a stand by breaking NDA is even worse, but many in the community feel this way, and I wouldn't like 'that' part of the CPM0's reputation tainting the CPM1. Sometimes, a clean break is what is needed to restore faith in an elected body. Now this here is a compelling argument against my run that fits the argument proper. In direct reply to the issue. I feel that what actions the CPM has done in light of Legion was most appropriate and if CPM 1 cannot be held to a similar standard of holding on tightly to the NDA then the establishment cannot be trusted with future work on any scale. The whole CPM threatening to break NDA as a group and Mass Resigns are final doomsday options; an option best used on something far far far more serious than Legion's announcement. While I don't know what sort of situation could possibly happen to resort to such; it would be something that if CCP goes through with it, might as well not elect another council as such will no longer be necessary type of deals. Legion as we all now know is not one of those situations. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Gallente Logistics =// Unlocked
medomai grey WarRavens Final Resolution. 799	Posted - 2014.06.03 03:28:00 - [14] - Quote Yes. Medium frame EHP is not medium
The Black Jackal The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 1200	Posted - 2014.06.03 08:25:00 - [15] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: The Black Jackal wrote: I'm of two minds about this. On the one hand, IWS, I respect you, what you've done, and how much you have put into the game as a member of the CPM0. You've gone above and beyond, and that is something great. And in this sense, I believe you would be a huge asset to the next CPM1. On the flip side, however, this is the first elected CPM. Bringing some of the reputation from CPM0 to CPM1 is a two-edged sword. Many in the community feel that the CPM0 betrayed the community with the Legion thing, and still uphold their... opinions. They are wrong, and calling for you all to have quit, or otherwise made a stand by breaking NDA is even worse, but many in the community feel this way, and I wouldn't like 'that' part of the CPM0's reputation tainting the CPM1. Sometimes, a clean break is what is needed to restore faith in an elected body. Now this here is a compelling argument against my run that fits the argument proper. In direct reply to the issue. I feel that what actions the CPM has done in light of Legion was most appropriate and if CPM 1 cannot be held to a similar standard of holding on tightly to the NDA then the establishment cannot be trusted with future work on any scale. The whole CPM threatening to break NDA as a group and Mass Resigns are final doomsday options; an option best used on something far far far more serious than Legion's announcement. While I don't know what sort of situation could possibly happen to resort to such; it would be something that if CCP goes through with it, might as well not elect another council as such will no longer be necessary type of deals. Legion as we all now know is not one of those situations. Just as a note: Saber. I don't hold it against you, or any of the CPM0 members. I know how much effort you guys have put into the game, and how much you guys have gone above and beyond in what you were originally slated to do. Me saying that it might be best if you didn't come along to CPM1 is in no way personal. I'm just trying to reflect possible community views. The Black Jackal for CPM1
Tech De Ra Electronic Sports League 426	Posted - 2014.06.03 09:52:00 - [16] - Quote I'd vote for you, on the condition that you let someone else look at your forum posts BEFORE YOU POST THEM Prime League champion SGL Sidearm champion Fanfest '14 All star champion
Zatara Rought General Tso's Alliance 3345	Posted - 2014.06.03 09:55:00 - [17] - Quote Tech De Ra wrote: I'd vote for you, on the condition that you let someone else look at your forum posts BEFORE YOU POST THEM lololol. I concur CEO of FA, Candidate for CPM1 Follow me on twitter Skype Zatara.Rought
KILLER 20965 The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance 23	Posted - 2014.06.03 12:26:00 - [18] - Quote What about us console only players huh? CCP screwed us over on 'Legion' and you guys are acting like thats a good thing. I just want every CPM0 kicked out for good. Start new. IS THAT ALL YOU GOT!!! I once owned a district Yes I run logi, got a problem?
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 1499	Posted - 2014.06.03 12:44:00 - [19] - Quote KILLER 20965 wrote: What about us console only players huh? CCP screwed us over on 'Legion' and you guys are acting like thats a good thing. I just want every CPM0 kicked out for good. Start new. Edit: And I have yet to ever see a CPM0 in game, do you guys even play dust. Or do you let your characters afk? Iron wolf plays, look towards the bottom of the scoreboard. Delt for CPM1
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15311	Posted - 2014.06.04 01:29:00 - [20] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: KILLER 20965 wrote: What about us console only players huh? CCP screwed us over on 'Legion' and you guys are acting like thats a good thing. I just want every CPM0 kicked out for good. Start new. Edit: And I have yet to ever see a CPM0 in game, do you guys even play dust. Or do you let your characters afk? Iron wolf plays, look towards the bottom of the scoreboard. Grumbles about not having enough isk to do things and still has about 12 more skill books to buy to keep up with omnisoldier parity. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Gallente Logistics =// Unlocked

Miokai Zahou The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 289	Posted - 2014.06.04 15:40:00 - [21] - Quote you should run I'll vote for you but I'm also considering running for it as well as I've got a lot of passion for this game and want to also make this IP great for both CCP and the community. Noob isn't really a status, it's the online equivalent of a 5-year old calling you a poopy fart head.
CEOPyrex CloneA The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 721	Posted - 2014.06.04 19:23:00 - [22] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: So what do you guys think? To run or not to run? that is question I ask. No, you did a great job in CPM0 and i think the best thing to do now is end that entire project and start fresh with new blood. Also you deserve the right to enjoy the game for a bit
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 3586	Posted - 2014.06.04 22:20:00 - [23] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber, I respect the work you did with CPM0 and I would like to see you run, provided that you take it graciously if you donGÇÖt get in. I would include you in my list of people who would make good CPM members. What am I up to now? 13? Heck, I would probably include you in my top 10 picks. Of course there are only 7 spots, and narrowing my list to 7 would be extremely difficult. The pool of candidates for CPM1 is deep and solid. So many of them are extremely intelligent, extremely articulate, and have the ability to see both sides of an issue. Many of them have been studying you guys for months to determine what the job will entail and what their expectations should be. I truly believe that if the 7 members of CPM1 are from my top 13 list, then they will hit the ground running, and continue what you guys from CPM0 started. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Tesfa Alem ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 134	Posted - 2014.06.05 01:56:00 - [24] - Quote I'm curious as to why do you fear all of the hard work would be undone by current candidates for CPM1? Also as you reasoning behind reserving an old position in the new Council. Personnally i haven't liked too many of the ideas ascribed to the CPM0. Well as far as i know,because of the NDA so i dont definitly know about what, if anything, the CPM0 did or diddn't do. That said If you honestly believe you can do a good job then go for it. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1082	Posted - 2014.06.05 06:25:00 - [25] - Quote You pose an interesting question, IWS. As many have said, I do have a great deal of respect for the work you did in CPM0. You were one of the most consistently visible CPM members during the last year and there were some periods you might have been the only visible connection (at least on the forums) that many players saw. The conundrum you pose to me at least is this: I've never spoken to you, squaded with you, or had interactions with you outside a few chat / post exchanges here or on Skype. My basic reaction is that many of your exchanges (not directly with me) confuse or come across poorly to a fair amount of the community. Without a doubt you have some stand out work generated and expanded on here in the forums...unfortunately it can often be overshadowed the way you present yourself. I have absolutely no doubt that you've put in countless hours and very serious effort behind the scenes. I'm also quite sure that you have been a very valued teammate to at least some of the other CPM0 members. The issues is that we don't see that. You did mention the desire to shepard the work you've done and continue to build on the momentum built up by you and other CPM members - I can respect and relate to that. I would also offer that many times change, when the transition is well organized, can create opportunities and accelerate positive inertia. In this case...the meaning is two fold; you buy some time back for your RL and the CPM moves forward with a clean slate. For now...I would prefer that you don't run but stay on for a couple months of overlap with CPM1. Continue to engage as a member of the community and offer support or coaching where appropriate to the new council members. That said, if you feel strongly about running then put your hat in the ring. I also reserve the right to adjust my position on this...it's really just my initial reaction. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen
J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 853	Posted - 2014.06.05 21:33:00 - [26] - Quote I'm going to say yes, you should. Just do it. You might of white knighted a lil here and there in the past, but all in all I think you did a great job on the forums so far. Keep it up PS4 psn = J0LLYxR0G3R Underscore before and after the x
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5872	Posted - 2014.06.05 22:10:00 - [27] - Quote Even with my personal feelings aside I still feel that the new CPM should be of complete new blood with the new changes coming an all. I do not think the previous CPM should not be completely dismissed however. With the recent events it's a hard decision to make since CCP isn't letting out too much information about the CPM1s role in Legion besides the "Limited" Involvement as well as the Future or lack of future for DUST. This is all like coming into leadership of a local government when a Regime change is just around the corner. If they aren't enough Bright, involved minds for the CPM1 then I'd say yes, go ahead but for now I'd say no but what the hell does it matter. If you feel you should do it, do it. You don't need people on the forums to affect your opinion. DUST 514 (The 514 stands for the server ping)
Medic 1879 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 2017	Posted - 2014.06.06 08:03:00 - [28] - Quote TO be bluntly honest no, for reasons stated before a clean break is best and console only players (like myself although I do play EVE now aswell) feel betrayed by CCP with the legion announcement with the way they hyped up how big things were coming for DUST at fanfest and then basically saying DUST has no long term future but they are starting it again on another platform under a different name was a huge kick in the love spuds for console players. This is CCP's fault and I do not know how much the CPM knew about legion and the effective death of DUST but I feel CMP0 should have stood up for the community and either broke NDA or threaten and carry out if needed a mass resignation if CCP did not announce this before fanfest. I know a few people who went to fanfest and are console only players they went because all of the hinting that CCP did about big news for DUST then to get there and basically be told the game they travelled all that way for is going to be replaced with a PC version with all of the things once promised for DUST is disgusting this was obviously a move by CCP to make more money from DUST while they could at the expense of their community, and I feel CPM0 should have done more to protect the community. So regardless of the fact that personally I think you were the best of CPM0 with regards to communication with the community I feel that no one from the CPM0 should re-apply for CPM. If it turns out you had little to no info on what was coming about Legion I would personally be more supportive of the CPM but being members of the CPM during this fiasco has tarnished its image and even if you had nothing to do with it that would stain the future CPM if you were a part of it. Also why are we bothering with a CPM? I mean all thats coming for DUST is balance changes and hotfixes which thanks to Rattiti (apologies for spelling that like a drunken toddler) they are actually communicating with us for a change, so what will the CPM1 do? help decide what makes it into Legion and how much character stuff gets ported over? Personally I want atleast one member of CPM1 to be a console only player with little to no interest in getting a gaming PC for legion just to help get over our viewpoint because this is a console game and ignoring console players is just bad business. Ok doom and gloom aside I think you did well as a CPM and I would like to congratulate you on sticking it out and thank you for sticking it out through the inevitable waves of doom and gloom and all the tantrums thrown your way. o7 Sir Lead Diplomat for Forsaken Immortals.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2661	Posted - 2014.06.06 13:42:00 - [29] - Quote Medic, the CPM0 did know about Legion in October. But the reality is, an NDA is serious business. It's a legally binding contract, and breaking it has repercussions beyond this game. I wouldn't ever expect an elected player representative who isn't paid for this crud to ruin their possible future employment over this. And a mass resignation doesn't do us any good. A mass resignation would've cost us the CPM, the best chance we have to get feedback through CCP's thickheaded skulls. Either response would've likely ended the CPM. And very likely the work the CPM0 has done is a large part of why we're still here. For every stupid idea that gets through and gets announced, the CPM has likely killed twenty more. Personally, while I am a PC gamer, and will play Legion, I place the highest priority on our console community. The CPM are here for the community, and the community is a PS3 community. I will mention DUST at every Legion discussion, and I really think we can push to get at least some minor client patches out. Hotfixes can fix a lot, but there's so much more that can be done with patches. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Heinrich Jagerblitzen Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1770	Posted - 2014.06.06 13:53:00 - [30] - Quote Bro, you're going to continue to do great things for the game and community regardless if you run or if you stick around and help with the transition. You've been invaluable throughout the year, you've been a champ about the teasing you get for your ahem eccentric writing style, and you've hung in here and put forth effort that rivals even the best of CSM candidates historically. Just consider the RL balance, and make your decision based on that, not on whether anyone else thinks you should run. YOU know you can do the job regardless of what people say, you've proven that over and over again and can either continue or retire knowing you've left a permanent mark on the game and left a lasting legacy with the formation of the CPM. o7



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