DUST Search - should i get swarm prof. V or not

Thang Bausch wrote:

John Demonsbane wrote:

Thang Bausch wrote:

John Demonsbane wrote:

Thang Bausch wrote:

prof 4, reload 4, and min commando 4 (with CR to prof 4) and you have dirty Harry on some serious performance drugs.

...and that is why the minmando is the only minmatar suit I will ever skill into.

(I'm not proud of that but without any Amarr AV weapons it's all I got. I'm hoping they will switch the swarms to getting a bonus to the calmando, then I can at least RP in peace as Khanid.)

If they switch the bonus to calmando, they had better respec anyone who speced into the minmando because there are many people that only speced into that suit (me included) for the SL bonus.

Respecs.....
Roll

Yeah, I know. Ugh

For the record, I rarely ask for respecs. I have to date not demanded a respec to weapons despite specing into weapons that have been nerfed into irrelevance (flaylock) or have bugs that render them too difficult to use (laser rifle seems to ignore the aim sensitivity which is critical to be low when using a DS3 controller). To spend 2 million sp skilling into a suit for a specific purpose and have the bonus change not because of balancing but to align a bonus to racial weapon categories rather than weapon dmg type would be brutal and just not necessary.

Quitting cold turkey was impossible. The forum patch is helping me kick the habit

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negative49er Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 571	Posted - 2014.05.30 14:14:00 - [1] - Quote I already got it at IV and maybe one day swarm maybe go back their former glory I save over a million sp and I don't like being in heavy so saying put it toward the forge gun is out of the picture Dedicated Shotgun Scout and professional backstabber
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property 8947	Posted - 2014.05.30 14:28:00 - [2] - Quote What do your Reload and Ammo skills look like? HvLP Spreadsheet Warrior Why Do Slayers Get All The Credit? :( -HAND
negative49er Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 571	Posted - 2014.05.30 14:30:00 - [3] - Quote Atiim wrote: What do your Reload and Ammo skills look like? Lv.III for each now Dedicated Shotgun Scout and professional backstabber
Leeroy Gannarsein Legio DXIV 373	Posted - 2014.05.30 14:30:00 - [4] - Quote I don't like prof V in anything at all, tbh. Too much sink, too little gain. Prof IV is only useful IMO for fitting optimisation (which actually might be worth maxing, depending on your weapon...) I'd find something else to dump that SP on, myself. MY ACTUAL NAME IS LORHAK It would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart... CCP BLOWOUT FOR CPM1
Anarchide Greedy Bastards 2137	Posted - 2014.05.30 14:39:00 - [5] - Quote Unless you play the Swarm Launcher ALL the time, I wouldn't recommend investing in it. I have all the Swarm Launcher skils to level 5 and I barely kill tanks and dropships. I scare them, but I do not kill them most of the time. My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Cat Merc, Long Evity, DeadlyAztec11 and Sinboto Simmons.
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property 8947	Posted - 2014.05.30 14:40:00 - [6] - Quote negative49er wrote: Atiim wrote: What do your Reload and Ammo skills look like? Lv.III for each now Get your Ammo to V first. HvLP Spreadsheet Warrior Why Do Slayers Get All The Credit? :( -HAND
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 779	Posted - 2014.05.30 15:06:00 - [7] - Quote I did it and don't recommend it. If you play swarms a lot though you should try proto. Swarms just isn't worth it right now snd no buffs on the immediate horizon. Because, that's why.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3449	Posted - 2014.05.30 15:41:00 - [8] - Quote Prof 5 for any weapon you don't use 99% of the time is a waste of SP unless you have almost nothing else to spend it on. The return on investment is too low. Also, don't discount the forge gun. I use an ADV forge gun on my Templar BPO sentinel and instantly become a lot more threatening to a pilot - in a suit that costs 1/2 as much as the proto SL does by itself. (Before I had the BPO I used the mlt heavy which is dirt cheap and nearly as effective) Obviously it's not as flexible as, say, a commando would be, but in the right situation it's just so much more effective. (The godfather of tactical logistics) Quitting cold turkey was impossible. The forum patch is helping me kick the habit
Kierkegaard Soren Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 479	Posted - 2014.05.30 15:55:00 - [9] - Quote Four is enough. That extra few percentage points isn't going to make the difference enough times to justify the amount of XP it costs to obtain. Reload speed is probably worth maxing out, though; I find that tanks die to sustained pressure from AV more often than not. Dedicated Commando. "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." -Paul Atreides.
Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 158	Posted - 2014.05.30 23:39:00 - [10] - Quote Kierkegaard Soren wrote: Four is enough. That extra few percentage points isn't going to make the difference enough times to justify the amount of XP it costs to obtain. Reload speed is probably worth maxing out, though; I find that tanks die to sustained pressure from AV more often than not. Reload speed is really critical, which is why I use a min commando suit for my SL fit. 20% faster at lvl 4 (+8% dmg) is very noticable.

Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 158	Posted - 2014.05.30 23:39:00 - [11] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Prof 5 for any weapon you don't use 99% of the time is a waste of SP unless you have almost nothing else to spend it on. The return on investment is too low. Also, don't discount the forge gun. I use an ADV forge gun on my Templar BPO sentinel and instantly become a lot more threatening to a pilot - in a suit that costs 1/2 as much as the proto SL does by itself. (Before I had the BPO I used the mlt heavy which is dirt cheap and nearly as effective) Obviously it's not as flexible as, say, a commando would be, but in the right situation it's just so much more effective. Yeah, I agree. going lvl 5 seems like poor ROI.
Repe Susi Rautaleijona 1289	Posted - 2014.05.31 07:31:00 - [12] - Quote On the other hand, it feels good to have the skill maxed so you don't have to think about it ever anymore. And if you are using Min Commando... Let's just say that every % counts. Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~ Isaac Asimov
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 430	Posted - 2014.05.31 07:48:00 - [13] - Quote Prof 4, reload speed 5, slap it on a commando of your choice. It's like the dirty Harry of swarm launchers. Observe the public trust. Protect the innocent. Uphold the law.
Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 159	Posted - 2014.05.31 17:43:00 - [14] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: Prof 4, reload speed 5, slap it on a commando of your choice. It's like the dirty Harry of swarm launchers. prof 4, reload 4, and min commando 4 (with CR to prof 4) and you have dirty Harry on some serious performance drugs.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3459	Posted - 2014.05.31 18:11:00 - [15] - Quote Thang Bausch wrote: Reign Omega wrote: Prof 4, reload speed 5, slap it on a commando of your choice. It's like the dirty Harry of swarm launchers. prof 4, reload 4, and min commando 4 (with CR to prof 4) and you have dirty Harry on some serious performance drugs. ...and that is why the minmando is the only minmatar suit I will ever skill into. (I'm not proud of that but without any Amarr AV weapons it's all I got. I'm hoping they will switch the swarms to getting a bonus to the calmando, then I can at least RP in peace as Khanid.) (The godfather of tactical logistics) Quitting cold turkey was impossible. The forum patch is helping me kick the habit
DozersMouse XIII Inner.Hell 833	Posted - 2014.05.31 18:37:00 - [16] - Quote I would do it thats actually what i'm working on don't harm the hamsters
Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 159	Posted - 2014.06.01 16:40:00 - [17] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Thang Bausch wrote: Reign Omega wrote: Prof 4, reload speed 5, slap it on a commando of your choice. It's like the dirty Harry of swarm launchers. prof 4, reload 4, and min commando 4 (with CR to prof 4) and you have dirty Harry on some serious performance drugs. ...and that is why the minmando is the only minmatar suit I will ever skill into. (I'm not proud of that but without any Amarr AV weapons it's all I got. I'm hoping they will switch the swarms to getting a bonus to the calmando, then I can at least RP in peace as Khanid.) If they switch the bonus to calmando, they had better respec anyone who speced into the minmando because there are many people that only speced into that suit (me included) for the SL bonus.
Immortal John Ripper 22090	Posted - 2014.06.01 17:00:00 - [18] - Quote level 3 is fine. get another weapon. The legend never dies. Appia Vibbia is paying me 100m isk to tell you "Vote for appia" Message her if u want isk too.
General John Ripper 22094	Posted - 2014.06.01 17:00:00 - [19] - Quote level 3 is fine. get another weapon. The legend never dies. Appia Vibbia is paying me 100m isk to tell you "Vote for appia" Message her if u want isk too.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3471	Posted - 2014.06.01 19:07:00 - [20] - Quote Immortal John Ripper wrote: does double take Why... Why does it sometimes say general and sometimes immortal? What sorcery is this?! (The godfather of tactical logistics) Quitting cold turkey was impossible. The forum patch is helping me kick the habit

John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3471	Posted - 2014.06.01 19:09:00 - [21] - Quote Thang Bausch wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Thang Bausch wrote: Reign Omega wrote: Prof 4, reload speed 5, slap it on a commando of your choice. It's like the dirty Harry of swarm launchers. prof 4, reload 4, and min commando 4 (with CR to prof 4) and you have dirty Harry on some serious performance drugs. ...and that is why the minmando is the only minmatar suit I will ever skill into. (I'm not proud of that but without any Amarr AV weapons it's all I got. I'm hoping they will switch the swarms to getting a bonus to the calmando, then I can at least RP in peace as Khanid.) If they switch the bonus to calmando, they had better respec anyone who speced into the minmando because there are many people that only speced into that suit (me included) for the SL bonus. Respecs..... (The godfather of tactical logistics) Quitting cold turkey was impossible. The forum patch is helping me kick the habit
XxGhazbaranxX Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 1423	Posted - 2014.06.01 21:29:00 - [22] - Quote If you want to use swarms I suggest getting proto minmatar comando... My friend tested the swarms on me with and without the commando suit on and it's a major difference. If you want to do swarms right, instead of getting profi 5 get some points into minny commando and try to max them both out.... The extra damage and reload speed makes it scary to say the least Plasma Cannon Advocate Dust 514 Survivor
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 431	Posted - 2014.06.02 02:25:00 - [23] - Quote Lol @ "do swarms right". Observe the public trust. Protect the innocent. Uphold the law.
Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 163	Posted - 2014.06.02 17:01:00 - [24] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Thang Bausch wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Thang Bausch wrote: Reign Omega wrote: Prof 4, reload speed 5, slap it on a commando of your choice. It's like the dirty Harry of swarm launchers. prof 4, reload 4, and min commando 4 (with CR to prof 4) and you have dirty Harry on some serious performance drugs. ...and that is why the minmando is the only minmatar suit I will ever skill into. (I'm not proud of that but without any Amarr AV weapons it's all I got. I'm hoping they will switch the swarms to getting a bonus to the calmando, then I can at least RP in peace as Khanid.) If they switch the bonus to calmando, they had better respec anyone who speced into the minmando because there are many people that only speced into that suit (me included) for the SL bonus. Respecs..... Yeah, I know. For the record, I rarely ask for respecs. I have to date not demanded a respec to weapons despite specing into weapons that have been nerfed into irrelevance (flaylock) or have bugs that render them too difficult to use (laser rifle seems to ignore the aim sensitivity which is critical to be low when using a DS3 controller). To spend 2 million sp skilling into a suit for a specific purpose and have the bonus change not because of balancing but to align a bonus to racial weapon categories rather than weapon dmg type would be brutal and just not necessary.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1270	Posted - 2014.06.02 18:18:00 - [25] - Quote I run Proficiency(5) Proto Swarms w/2 cmp damage amps. Assault Dropships passively resist unless simultaneously hit by something else. And against tanks, you've better odds running REs + Flux / AV Nade. Max-skill Swarms on a Scout are a deterrent, at best. Can't speak to other frames. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3475	Posted - 2014.06.03 01:53:00 - [26] - Quote Thang Bausch wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Thang Bausch wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Thang Bausch wrote: prof 4, reload 4, and min commando 4 (with CR to prof 4) and you have dirty Harry on some serious performance drugs. ...and that is why the minmando is the only minmatar suit I will ever skill into. (I'm not proud of that but without any Amarr AV weapons it's all I got. I'm hoping they will switch the swarms to getting a bonus to the calmando, then I can at least RP in peace as Khanid.) If they switch the bonus to calmando, they had better respec anyone who speced into the minmando because there are many people that only speced into that suit (me included) for the SL bonus. Respecs..... Yeah, I know. For the record, I rarely ask for respecs. I have to date not demanded a respec to weapons despite specing into weapons that have been nerfed into irrelevance (flaylock) or have bugs that render them too difficult to use (laser rifle seems to ignore the aim sensitivity which is critical to be low when using a DS3 controller). To spend 2 million sp skilling into a suit for a specific purpose and have the bonus change not because of balancing but to align a bonus to racial weapon categories rather than weapon dmg type would be brutal and just not necessary. What? LR rulez dude, It's one of the few things still keeping me playing! Turn down your sensitivity. (The godfather of tactical logistics) Quitting cold turkey was impossible. The forum patch is helping me kick the habit
Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 164	Posted - 2014.06.03 02:04:00 - [27] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: What? LR rulez dude, It's one of the few things still keeping me playing! Turn down your sensitivity. I loved using the LR, so I spent 1+ mill sp on it after the 1.8 respec. I stopped using it because I had such a hard time staying on target. I put my sensitivity to 20 and my aim still jumps around. I tried putting it much higher and saw no difference, whereas when I used my CR the sensitivity had very clearly changed. Other people on the forums at the time complained of similar issues. Admittedly, I haven't tried using it in months.
Eko Sol Strange Playings 436	Posted - 2014.06.03 02:05:00 - [28] - Quote negative49er wrote: I already got it at IV and maybe one day swarm maybe go back their former glory I save over a million sp and I don't like being in heavy so saying put it toward the forge gun is out of the picture No. Almost nothing is worth going to 5 in ever unless you are 100% out of other things to skill into. PSN is "Ekopalm" I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3478	Posted - 2014.06.03 04:39:00 - [29] - Quote Thang Bausch wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: What? LR rulez dude, It's one of the few things still keeping me playing! Turn down your sensitivity. I loved using the LR, so I spent 1+ mill sp on it after the 1.8 respec. I stopped using it because I had such a hard time staying on target. I put my sensitivity to 20 and my aim still jumps around. I tried putting it much higher and saw no difference, whereas when I used my CR the sensitivity had very clearly changed. Other people on the forums at the time complained of similar issues. Admittedly, I haven't tried using it in months. Much better now. I drop it on my Amarr assault and turn into a (only slightly) mobile heavy-melting laser turret. Get killed entirely too often by fcking cloaked shotty scouts but so fun!* Best part is after they learn the fear of God (and his cleansing light). Sentinels nowadays (esp gallente) are so used to being invincible with their resistances that they tend to underestimate the LR and try to fire back. Melt them once or twice and suddenly they fear you. Watching a sentinel ~~scurry~~ lumbering for cover never gets old! (The godfather of tactical logistics) Quitting cold turkey was impossible. The forum patch is helping me kick the habit
Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 165	Posted - 2014.06.03 16:37:00 - [30] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Thang Bausch wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: What? LR rulez dude, It's one of the few things still keeping me playing! Turn down your sensitivity. I loved using the LR, so I spent 1+ mill sp on it after the 1.8 respec. I stopped using it because I had such a hard time staying on target. I put my sensitivity to 20 and my aim still jumps around. I tried putting it much higher and saw no difference, whereas when I used my CR the sensitivity had very clearly changed. Other people on the forums at the time complained of similar issues. Admittedly, I haven't tried using it in months. Much better now. I drop it on my Amarr assault and turn into a (only slightly) mobile heavy-melting laser turret. Get killed entirely too often by fcking cloaked shotty scouts but so fun!* Best part is after they learn the fear of God (and his cleansing light). Sentinels nowadays (esp gallente) are so used to being invincible with their resistances that they tend to underestimate the LR and try to fire back. Melt them once or twice and suddenly they fear you. Watching a sentinel ~~scurry~~ lumbering for cover never gets old! I would love to see a light AV weapon that was a literal cannon version of the laser rifle. Big charge time, lots of damage if it overheated and kicks perpetually like a mull (so you'd have a really hard time tracking infantry with it but an upclose tank or dropship would not be a problem). Would need to be careful so it didn't also become a super anti-infantry weapon, but if they could pull it off that would be so much fun to use and make the Amar commando fit a viable AV choice.



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