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Velociraptor antirrhopus
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.30 12:33:00 -
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I am not really a fan of how "popular" the rep tool is. It's basically a gimmick to farm WP, a copy paste from Eve space battle tactics that does NOT work the same way in an FPS. All it really does is enable a player to run around babysitting proto stompers, and tactically in PC it forces the heavy and logi into a symbiotic role that makes them useless in any other play style. In fact I would say this also forces heavies to use Light weapons to be independent of the Logi.
In the words of a closed beta heavy who has given up Amarr for the Caldari Sentinel, "you're stuck with a logi and I have more freedom."
I switched from the Minmatar Logi to the Amarr Sentinel in 1.8 to avoid being stuck with a rep tool, because honestly it is not my favorite play style. I would rather spend my time in an FPS shooting other players with a gun, not healing them constantly and basically being a slave on a leash.
Then I decided once I was done skilling into the heavy to become a Gal Logi because Scouts are FOTM and I wanted to be their one weakness. But now I am realizing that I will be forced to skill into the Rep Tool no matter what I do, because no one wants to use a Logi in PC that doesn't "have reps."
Wasn't the goal of changing the Logi bonuses in 1.8 to "reward specialization" into the racial equipment? I would say uplinks and repair tools are the ONLY thing people care about when hiring ringers or picking up players for PC battles.
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Velociraptor antirrhopus
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
108
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Posted - 2014.05.30 12:55:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:Reps are still a waste of time in PC. Logi's are much more usefull doing other things. Might I suggest watching videos of PC matches for examples.
In pubs this playstyle is hardly dominant. You may see one or two repping logis per battle. That is only 1/8 of the team. Scouts on the other hand typically comprise 1/3 to 1/2 of the team and heavies are usually around 1/4. By comparison 1/8 is a pretty small proportion.
So are you one of those guys who does surveys of every match he enters? Yeeeeah I dont care.
Tell that to every ******* person in my corp, especially the ones in charge of things. Heavies always have a logi in the squad with them, and especially if there's more than one heavy in their squad they are told to be using their repair tool on those heavies.
I really fail to see the validity of your point. Reps are always used in the PCs I am in, and how could they be a waste of time if they are the most effective way of earning Orbitals other than just throwing the donut on a Tank?
In city maps the heavy on a logi's leash is REQUIRED. I don't care how many mass drivers or rail rifles you have running around circle jerking amongst themselves. Heavies with logis win battles.
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Velociraptor antirrhopus
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.30 20:43:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:You can also currently do better with a cal scout than a gal logi if you just want to hunt scouts. Assuming that gets "fixed" and scanners become very useful again, if your corp directors don't realize that, perhaps the problem lie there, and not with the game.
You've got a point there. But they can't scan an uncloaked/unadequately dampened scout from 200 meters and make them flash really brightly.
Quote:If you don't want to use the rep tool because you only want to run around killing people, why exactly are you a "logi" again? A good logi is not a one trick pony or killing oriented. Period.
What about scans? Or needles? Nobody gives a **** if a Logi has those. Perhaps you missed the ******* point of this thread just to be a **** and question how good I am at being a Logi even though I've been doing it for about 8 months and did fine without a Rep Tool.
Look.
If I was weighed down by walking a dog around the battlefield, I wouldn't be able to do the things I do. I pull off some pretty intense ****, that helps the team win the game more than just following around some heavy.
Half the reason I became a Gal Logi was to run 3 scanners. You think I'll have time to rep you when I'm too busy pinpointing the location of the enemy? Get someone else to babysit your ass.
I am just pissed off that people are so narrow minded they think my playstyle isn't as effective a use of a Logi as it would be if I had a rep tool. Sit on one of my triage hives that will be behind cover which you should be using to begin with instead of wanting to be an invincible perma-repped HP *****.
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Velociraptor antirrhopus
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
112
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Posted - 2014.06.01 04:17:00 -
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Seriously, f*ck you guys.
Oh yeah. Reps on heavies are totally useless. Especially in that Cargo Hub city map we just lost a PC battle in because of all the heavies with logis on them, and of course my squad's logis were nowhere to be found and I never got reps.
I hope you people realize that this game starts to get boring after a while. And just seeing all these logis and heavies thinking they're OP as **** is really sad. All they're doing is exploiting a mechanic in the game that makes them near-invincible.
F*ck all of you I'm gonna go play Tomb Raider. Much better game than Dust.
By the way I wasn't saying "nerf the rep tool lol" that's just what you idiots thought I said because you have the attention span of cheese sandwiches.
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Velociraptor antirrhopus
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
113
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Posted - 2014.06.01 06:44:00 -
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Meee One wrote:Sounds like either: -You charged in by yourself like an idiot or -You need better logis I'm a decent logi,and if you want i'll show you how a true support logi should behave. Mail meee in-game and i'll squad up with you. 
Both. But I didn't really have a choice but to charge in because yeah, my corp were being a bunch of incompetent f*cks.
Problem is I think a lot of us switched roles in 1.8 with the respec and aren't really used to doing it right.
Plus our corp is ****** up right now because one of the better people in charge left the game.
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Velociraptor antirrhopus
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
113
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Posted - 2014.06.01 06:47:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Look at how much a proto repair tool repairs.
Look at how much DPS an unskilled STD rifle does.
So where would the logi be more useful in battle, with a repair tool out or with a gun out?
Exactly. Take the PC battle I'm talking about for example. We would've been better off if someone was hitting them with mass drivers and ****.
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Velociraptor antirrhopus
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
128
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Posted - 2014.06.02 00:01:00 -
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Grimmiers wrote:If you're a gal logi in pc just use a multiscanner setup. Having a repper might not even work with shotgun scouts around, but if you can scan them frequently you'll probably be better off. Also I feel like the Brick tank heavies are too effective without a repper, but that might be the hmg doing nuke damage before you can even break shields up.
one of the only constructive posts in this thread
unfortunately like i said...
when I x up for PC with "heavy or scanner logi" no one wants the scanner logi. No one.
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Velociraptor antirrhopus
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
128
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Posted - 2014.06.02 00:03:00 -
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manboar thunder fist wrote:Wow OP is a rage nub... Git gud, every time I see a rep logi heavy combo I do one of three things:
Shotgun the logi in the back and then harass the heavy with melee
Shoot the logi from afar with my light rifle then lol at the heavy
Get in a forge gun suit and blow the heavy away leaving a depressed useless logi behind
Yeah, it's a little hard when you're a heavy with no logi on you, and the heavy and the logi see you and come after you. At that point it's either: Kill the Logi, or kill the Heavy before you die.
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Velociraptor antirrhopus
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
141
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Posted - 2014.06.04 23:10:00 -
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Well after being babied by a logi all night last night I have decided **** it, I'm skilling into the rep tool.
But I still feel like this thread is valid. Think about it.
Even if a Gallente Logi has reps, he is less valuable to those people who want you to have constant reps on heavies in PC.
The way old four-eyes has to do it now is pause to make a scan, rep a little, pause to make another scan and/or drop equipment, rep some more.
The Gal Logi with reps will be a less effective scanner. By a lot.
Apothecary Za'ki wrote:Remote repairers are useless unless your babying a bricked heavy.
most of the time i use adv or higher injector, uplink and hive for much more WPs.. last match i was at 2050 points and i didnt realise till end of the match and i sooo could have called an orbital T_T
People in your squad will be pissed if you have a needle with no reps. Especially if they start taking fire right after you revive them.
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