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Benjamin Ciscko
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Posted - 2014.05.29 19:44:00 -
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Hawkin P wrote:I don't mind them getting rid of passive ISK, in PC, but in order to do that properly they need to increase player payout much more then they are proposing. Don't worry about clone pack prices, districts will end up selling for less then a clone pack. Here are the real PC numbers you need to worry about.
Example: Team A attacks Team B with 150 clones District to District. Corp A pays 2-6 mil ISK in clone moving fees. Average cost of a Proto Suit 200k. Average Tank and ADS costs 600k and 800k
Team A Wins they kill 80 clones of Team B, and Team B kills 80 clones of Team A's. So 160 total clone loss. 160 Clones x 200k = +32 mil Team A losses 5 Tanks 3 ADS = -5.4 mil Team A loses 80 clones x 200k = -16.4 mil Clone transport fees Average = -3 mil Loss total = 24.8mil 160 Clones x 200k = +32 mil Total profit for the winners = 7.2 mil Profit Per Player = 450k each
Not much considering the losing team lost 16.4 mil or just over 1 mil per player.
So by playing PC after the proposed chances you have the chance to earn 450k or lose 1 mil. Combine that with their being no reward for holding a district. The desire to play PC is going to greatly diminish. Thats a generous number a single person alone can lose 5+ tanks and most corps use at least 2 tankers majority 3 and some 4 and then theirs Nyain San
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Benjamin Ciscko
The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.29 19:50:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Hawkin P wrote: Average cost of a Proto Suit 200k. Average Tank and ADS costs 600k and 800k
You don't always have to run PRO gear in PC, nor do you have to fit ADSs and HAVs that cost 6-800k. I think CPM Heinrich Jagerblitzen put things into a much better perspective: I play PC for it's competitive nature I will often throw so nI can insane amounts of ISK out for the win losing tanks to hack objectives running Proto suits in my tanks so I can hop out and slay if I get ****ed or take out the enemy HP guy so I can hack. Removing it's competitive nature ruins PC hell if your not supposed to run PRO in PC then whats the point of it.
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Benjamin Ciscko
The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.29 21:23:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote: I play PC for it's competitive nature I will often throw so nI can insane amounts of ISK out for the win losing tanks to hack objectives running Proto suits in my tanks so I can hop out and slay if I get ****ed or take out the enemy HP guy so I can hack.
And what stops you from doing this in STD/ADV gear again? Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Removing it's competitive nature ruins PC hell if your not supposed to run PRO in PC then whats the point of it. What makes Planetary Conquest competitive:
- Quality of Tactics
- Organized Quantity of Specific Roles
- Quality of Players
The point of Prototype gear is to use it when you can afford it. It wasn't meant to be spammed 24/7 whenever players feel like. The new PC changes will force players to either go broke, or run PRO sparingly, which is good. *Sigh* you're allowed to stop blowing Kain you know.
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Benjamin Ciscko
The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.30 03:40:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote: *Sigh* you're allowed to stop blowing Kain you know.
So me having similar opinons with someone means I'm blowing them? With that 'logic', your a sex slave. No your opinions being dictated by someone makes it so. I did have a counter argument but I'm not in the mood for a debate with someone whose opinion will never be swayed no matter how much logic and stats you throw at them.
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Benjamin Ciscko
The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.30 03:40:00 -
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Hynox Xitio wrote:Am I the only one who thinks removing all rewards from owning districts negates the purpose of owning a district? ding ding ding we have a winner!
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Benjamin Ciscko
The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.30 03:42:00 -
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Rich MO-FO wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Atiim wrote:Hawkin P wrote: Average cost of a Proto Suit 200k. Average Tank and ADS costs 600k and 800k
You don't always have to run PRO gear in PC, nor do you have to fit ADSs and HAVs that cost 6-800k. I think CPM Heinrich Jagerblitzen put things into a much better perspective: I play PC for it's competitive nature I will often throw so nI can insane amounts of ISK out for the win losing tanks to hack objectives running Proto suits in my tanks so I can hop out and slay if I get ****ed or take out the enemy HP guy so I can hack. Removing it's competitive nature ruins PC hell if your not supposed to run PRO in PC then whats the point of it. So those Proto suits I see people using in Pubs makes pubs competitive? Wow WTF does proto stomping have to do with anything I just said?
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Benjamin Ciscko
The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.30 03:55:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote: WTF does proto stomping have to do with anything I just said?
You stated that it's the PRO gear that makes PC competitive. Therefore, all of the PRO gear in PUBs makes it competitive as well, as [by your logic]. At least, I think that's what he's getting at. my point was if PRO gear should not be used in PUBs and it's not really meant for PC due to cost effectiveness then what's it's purpose.
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Benjamin Ciscko
The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.30 03:57:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote: No your opinions being dictated by someone makes it so. I did have a counter argument but I'm not in the mood for a debate with someone whose opinion will never be swayed no matter how much logic and stats you throw at them.
My opinions are simply that. My opinions. They aren't dictated by someone else, nor have they ever been. Though I really would like an example of how someone dictated my opinion. You haven't thrown stats and logic that refute any of my arguments. This has been the case not only in this topic, but in just about every argument we've ever had. I think you need to realize that repeating something over and over again doesn't make it a valid argument, nor does it make it true. Actually by stats and logic I was referring to back in the good old days when I actually number crunched for arguing AV's power.
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