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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.05.29 18:30:00 -
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Hawkin P wrote:
Average cost of a Proto Suit 200k.
Average Tank and ADS costs 600k and 800k
You don't always have to run PRO gear in PC, nor do you have to fit ADSs and HAVs that cost 6-800k. I think CPM Heinrich Jagerblitzen put things into a much better perspective:
Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote:
There's nothing "obvious" about corporations being forced to take a loss. You're simply assuming that everyone HAS to maintain the status quo in terms of gear fielded in PC matches, which is not a given at all. That status quo is only possible because PC corps have sat on fountains of "free" isk. Now they won't have that opulence anymore, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with corporations scaling back what they're able to afford to fight with as well. In fact, one of the healthiest things for PC as a feature would be greater diversity of gear quality fielded. What if corps had to pick and choose which PC fights they brought prototype gear out for? Just because we take it for granted that everyone runs proto all the time doesn't mean that's good for the game.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.05.29 20:28:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:
I play PC for it's competitive nature I will often throw so nI can insane amounts of ISK out for the win losing tanks to hack objectives running Proto suits in my tanks so I can hop out and slay if I get ****ed or take out the enemy HP guy so I can hack.
And what stops you from doing this in STD/ADV gear again?
Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Removing it's competitive nature ruins PC hell if your not supposed to run PRO in PC then whats the point of it.
What makes Planetary Conquest competitive:
- Quality of Tactics
- Organized Quantity of Specific Roles
- Quality of Players
The point of Prototype gear is to use it when you can afford it. It wasn't meant to be spammed 24/7 whenever players feel like. The new PC changes will force players to either go broke, or run PRO sparingly, which is good.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.05.30 02:34:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:
*Sigh* you're allowed to stop blowing Kain you know.
So me having similar opinons with someone means I'm blowing them?
With that 'logic', your Zatara's sex slave.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.05.30 02:37:00 -
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Hawkin P wrote:
Not one who plays in the PC and tells us what suits we can afford to use on the fly.
You don't need an accountant for that.
You simply need players who can think for themselves and understand basic arithmetic operations.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.05.30 03:48:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:
No your opinions being dictated by someone makes it so. I did have a counter argument but I'm not in the mood for a debate with someone whose opinion will never be swayed no matter how much logic and stats you throw at them.
My opinions are simply that. My opinions. They aren't dictated by someone else, nor have they ever been. Though I really would like an example of how someone dictated my opinion.
You haven't thrown stats and logic that refute any of my arguments. This has been the case not only in this topic, but in just about every argument we've ever had. I think you need to realize that repeating something over and over again doesn't make it a valid argument, nor does it make it true.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.05.30 03:50:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:
WTF does proto stomping have to do with anything I just said?
You stated that it's the PRO gear that makes PC competitive. Therefore, all of the PRO gear in PUBs makes it competitive as well, as [by your logic].
At least, I think that's what he's getting at.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.05.30 03:52:00 -
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Hynox Xitio wrote:Am I the only one who thinks removing all rewards from owning districts negates the purpose of owning a district?
Well if you don't want to play a Skirmish 2m+ ISK payouts and boatloads of salvaged gear, then no there is no purpose.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.05.30 04:02:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Atiim wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:
WTF does proto stomping have to do with anything I just said?
You stated that it's the PRO gear that makes PC competitive. Therefore, all of the PRO gear in PUBs makes it competitive as well, as [by your logic]. At least, I think that's what he's getting at. my point was if PRO gear should not be used in PUBs and it's not really meant for PC due to cost effectiveness then what's it's purpose.
PRO gear should be used against 'high stake' matches.
For example, if you were going up against a TLoDT/ERA team, you'd field PRO gear. But if you were going up against a lolDDB/GAM team, you'd field STD/ADV gear.
I think being forced to choose when PRO gear is appropriate is healthy, as it follows the whole "Risk vs. ISK" philosophy that CCP has in mind when designing mechanics.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.05.30 11:51:00 -
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Hakyou Brutor wrote:Atiim wrote:lolDDB/GAM team, you'd field STD/ADV gear. a¦á_a¦á Get off the forums and fight me like a real Mercenary, Atiim.
I'd love too.
But my PS3 refuses to let me enter Warbarges without hard-freezing. 
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