DUST Search - Msg to all HMG LAV heavys.

Forlorn Destrier wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

The difference is not being Cheap Tactics and "Legit Tactics" because there is no real distinction there at all.

It's that this tactic that is simple to perform for a single player and it is effective.

There are not Cheap tactics in games, only actions that are easy and safe to perform, while others are more dangerous. Labelling a player as trash because they don't actively make the game harder for themselves or because they don't follow the unspoken rules and values your have ascribed to specific actions is utterly ridiculous.

I hate agreeing with an Amarr yet again... but I do. This is a tactic that works and works really well. It is easy to perform, and can be executed to high efficiency by taking advantage a lack of situational arwareness in the enemy. It is easy enough to see and hear when an LAV is coming, and therefore knowing that there might be a Heavy driving.

Note: I tried it for a week; it was fun. I don't do it anymore as I typically change up play styles every couple of weeks to keep from getting bored with the game. I find it annoying, yes, but I also find Assault Dropships annoying. This does not invalidate the tactic.

I also want to add that while it may be "honorable" to have a challenge, this is a game about war where every trick in the book are legit. All's fair in love and war.

Once your tears are dry, I'll see you in a match. (that was adressed to the Amarr who cry over the fact we Minmatar are FREE!)

"You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon

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Defy Gravity 417	Posted - 2014.05.28 21:15:00 - [1] - Quote The message is to all the heavys that think they are good because they use the HMG LAV ***** tactic ( Drive up to you, hop out kill you , and then run away when they take a little bit of damage ) ( To the heavys that are actually good and actually try to do something other than use the lav BS keep doing what your doing ) You are trash... and when I mean trash I mean complete trash... And if you ride up to me in a LAV and hop out to try to kill me I will obliterate you. +1 to the poor logis that have to deal with such nonsense -_- I hope you are 1 shotted by a double damage mod sica If I kill you in game, look for a confirmation that says "I Just Killed You"
DEA Scott Richardson Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 17	Posted - 2014.05.28 21:18:00 - [2] - Quote I'm no heavy but it sucks to be killed by such a cheap tactic... If only my logi could run fast xD
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 1674	Posted - 2014.05.28 21:25:00 - [3] - Quote Rattati said they will be looking into it, as it is a topic that has come up on forums, via CPM, and the devs themselves. I also think this an incredibly cheap tactic, and I hope that they are able to come up with a solution. "I've made a huge mistake." -G.O.B. Bluth
Mex-0 The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 15	Posted - 2014.05.28 21:26:00 - [4] - Quote Apparently, the next step in the uprising will be to nerf heavies. Good for us Scouts! Dedicated Caldari Scout. Slayer of militia heavy frames. Gallente born, Caldari specc'd. ISK broke. Weekend Warrior
Ahkhomi Cypher Team Bad Decisions 65	Posted - 2014.05.28 21:27:00 - [5] - Quote If dust had trophies id want stealing the LAV while the fatty is on the other side of it to be a platinum one. I've come within 1-3 ticks of getting that trophy
Eko Sol Strange Playings 393	Posted - 2014.05.28 21:33:00 - [6] - Quote Defy Gravity wrote: The message is to all the heavys that think they are good because they use the HMG LAV ***** tactic ( Drive up to you, hop out kill you , and then run away when they take a little bit of damage ) ( To the heavys that are actually good and actually try to do something other than use the lav BS keep doing what your doing ) You are trash... and when I mean trash I mean complete trash... And if you ride up to me in a LAV and hop out to try to kill me I will obliterate you. +1 to the poor logis that have to deal with such nonsense -_- I hope you are 1 shotted by a double damage mod sica Easily avoidable in many ways. You shouldn't be running somewhere alone. If you spawn in at base and need to run across the open field solo then pull in an LAV of your own. Scouts should have ZERO problem with these heavies. I don't believe it is BS in the least bit. It's not even close to BS. Heavies take them on without issue. I've watched other medium suits that stack damage mods jack those guys up pretty bad. Scouts, like myself, out run it when it pops out and puts RE's on the LAV while the heavy circles around or gets in. I, personally, always put it in the driver seat that way I can kill them when they get in even if it doesn't get rid of the LAV itself. If you are a Logi you should be using a LAV or Tank to get to any destination. Yes, tanks can be transports as well. Get in your LAV, put a light armor plate, light armor rep (so if you get away from a rail shot you can rep and recall) and a NOS module on a methane. You'll survive 90% of your AV encounters other than extra RE's. The reason I have a semi-pricy LAV is because of that damn Forgers. If you put nothing, some forgers can one shot LAV's. PSN is "Ekopalm" I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 832	Posted - 2014.05.28 21:33:00 - [7] - Quote I hope they nerf the teleportation tech used in vehicles. Either that, or expand upon it. That sort of tech could eventually allow instantaneous teleportation across planets and star systems. I can even imagine weapon systems that implement that technology for use at interstellar levels...
Louis Domi Pradox One Proficiency V. 329	Posted - 2014.05.28 21:33:00 - [8] - Quote In this game people love hatemail and stuff... I will bet money that one of those Lav heavy's probably jizzed their pants reading all this hate....
Defy Gravity 418	Posted - 2014.05.28 21:41:00 - [9] - Quote Louis Domi wrote: In this game people love hatemail and stuff... I will bet money that one of those Lav heavy's probably jizzed their pants reading all this hate.... And I hope they did im going to enjoy my 25% buff against vehicles in hotfix alpha then they'll have something to ji-zz about If I kill you in game, look for a confirmation that says "I Just Killed You"
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10328	Posted - 2014.05.28 21:44:00 - [10] - Quote Defy Gravity wrote: Louis Domi wrote: In this game people love hatemail and stuff... I will bet money that one of those Lav heavy's probably jizzed their pants reading all this hate.... And I hope they did im going to enjoy my 25% buff against vehicles in hotfix alpha then they'll have something to ji-zz about The more hate you send the less intelligent you look.....and more fun that heavy has. You are actively contributing to the enjoyment of the player taking yours away...... just get the LAV's hard counter out and beat that LAV heavy. "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon

Benjamin Ciscko The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance 2298	Posted - 2014.05.28 21:44:00 - [11] - Quote That's why I use Proximities. Tanker/Logi
Faquira Bleuetta The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance 397	Posted - 2014.05.28 21:49:00 - [12] - Quote DEA Scott Richardson wrote: I'm no heavy but it sucks to be killed by such a cheap tactic... If only my logi could run fast xD
Forlorn Destrier 2506	Posted - 2014.05.28 21:53:00 - [13] - Quote Ahkhomi Cypher wrote: If dust had trophies id want stealing the LAV while the fatty is on the other side of it to be a platinum one. I've come within 1-3 ticks of getting that trophy I had just hacked a CRU that had a wall around it. A tank drove up and he had no shot, so he got out and circled the CRU. I cloaked up, and circled away from him. While he slowly looked for me around the CRU, I hacked his tank. I drove off as he came back around the corner to get back in the tank. One of my most fun moments in the game in 2 years.
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 460	Posted - 2014.05.28 22:19:00 - [14] - Quote I don't always LAV/Heavy, but when I do I find the only working Proxies on the map. It is a cheap tactic, but I only resort to this when the 15 blues I came with are getting rolled. So, I call my LAV and look for campy RR and SR users just to keep my numbers looking right. It's a **** tactic, but anyone that runs solo on the regular has to use every available option to combat situations set in play by Scotty and his life partner Jeffrey. Put in an slow ass Entry/Exit animation and I'll still do it because it'll still work because 93.421% of the players suck at situational awareness. PSN: The_Rynoceros Console Master Race I'll be at Bravo. Come n' get some.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10329	Posted - 2014.05.28 22:24:00 - [15] - Quote The difference is not being Cheap Tactics and "Legit Tactics" because there is no real distinction there at all. It's that this tactic that is simple to perform for a single player and it is effective. There are not Cheap tactics in games, only actions that are easy and safe to perform, while others are more dangerous. Labelling a player as trash because they don't actively make the game harder for themselves or because they don't follow the unspoken rules and values your have ascribed to specific actions is utterly ridiculous. "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
Maciej Szambelan Made in Poland... E-R-A 52	Posted - 2014.05.28 22:38:00 - [16] - Quote Scout+cloak+shotgun=cheap tactic.. There is many "cheap tactics" in the game but people don't give a ** and use them,there is still loads of idiots in pubs running proto and I'm tired of it so I'm gonna be one of them, after this week I will have a proto assault, I've got 100mln isk and I'm gonna use my proto suit till I run out of isk.. ** all of ya who made me do it!!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10331	Posted - 2014.05.28 22:40:00 - [17] - Quote Maciej Szambelan wrote: Scout+cloak+shotgun=cheap tactic.. There is many "cheap tactics" in the game but people don't give a ** and use them,there is still loads of idiots in pubs running proto and I'm tired of it so I'm gonna be one of them, after this week I will have a proto assault, I've got 100mln isk and I'm gonna use my proto suit till I run out of isk.. ** all of ya who made me do it!! Cheap ISK wise certainly. Easy to perform. Morally however it is equivalent to any other tactic in this game you can think of and of no greater or lesser value. "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
Scheneighnay McBob T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 5109	Posted - 2014.05.28 22:41:00 - [18] - Quote I hunt these ******* down now that AV is viable. BOOP!
P14GU3 The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 774	Posted - 2014.05.28 22:42:00 - [19] - Quote True Adamance wrote: The difference is not being Cheap Tactics and "Legit Tactics" because there is no real distinction there at all. It's that this tactic that is simple to perform for a single player and it is effective. There are not Cheap tactics in games, only actions that are easy and safe to perform, while others are more dangerous. Labelling a player as trash because they don't actively make the game harder for themselves or because they don't follow the unspoken rules and values your have ascribed to specific actions is utterly ridiculous. Its a trash mechanic. The insta-teleport mechanic that is. I would have no issue with heavy lav'ers if they didnt insta-tele back into their vehicle and drive off the instant u start winning. So trash tactic, or ccps trash mechanics, whatever you wanna call it, its trash and heavies should feel bad for abusing it. I only play dust514ums now. It was always more fun than the actual game anyways.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10331	Posted - 2014.05.28 22:45:00 - [20] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: True Adamance wrote: The difference is not being Cheap Tactics and "Legit Tactics" because there is no real distinction there at all. It's that this tactic that is simple to perform for a single player and it is effective. There are not Cheap tactics in games, only actions that are easy and safe to perform, while others are more dangerous. Labelling a player as trash because they don't actively make the game harder for themselves or because they don't follow the unspoken rules and values your have ascribed to specific actions is utterly ridiculous. Its a trash mechanic. The insta-teleport mechanic that is. I would have no issue with heavy lav'ers if they didnt insta-tele back into their vehicle and drive off the instant u start winning. So trash tactic, or ccps trash mechanics, whatever you wanna call it, its trash and heavies should feel bad for abusing it. Then blame the mechanic not the player. You just have to be better than it, that's the be all end all of video gaming is it not? "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon

Cpl Foster USMC The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 905	Posted - 2014.05.28 22:48:00 - [21] - Quote Guilty and I don't feel bad about it one bit. I find a corp I like just when the game is dying....figures....
Forlorn Destrier 2507	Posted - 2014.05.28 22:51:00 - [22] - Quote True Adamance wrote: The difference is not being Cheap Tactics and "Legit Tactics" because there is no real distinction there at all. It's that this tactic that is simple to perform for a single player and it is effective. There are not Cheap tactics in games, only actions that are easy and safe to perform, while others are more dangerous. Labelling a player as trash because they don't actively make the game harder for themselves or because they don't follow the unspoken rules and values your have ascribed to specific actions is utterly ridiculous. I hate agreeing with an Amarr yet again... but I do. This is a tactic that works and works really well. It is easy to perform, and can be executed to high efficiency by taking advantage a lack of situational arwareness in the enemy. It is easy enough to see and hear when an LAV is coming, and therefore knowing that there might be a Heavy driving. Note: I tried it for a week; it was fun. I don't do it anymore as I typically change up play styles every couple of weeks to keep from getting bored with the game. I find it annoying, yes, but I also find Assault Dropships annoying. This does not invalidate the tactic. I also want to add that while it may be "honorable" to have a challenge, this is a game about war where every trick in the book are legit. All's fair in love and war. Once your tears are dry, I'll see you in a match. (that was adressed to the Amarr who cry over the fact we Minmatar are FREE!)
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10333	Posted - 2014.05.28 23:10:00 - [23] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: True Adamance wrote: The difference is not being Cheap Tactics and "Legit Tactics" because there is no real distinction there at all. It's that this tactic that is simple to perform for a single player and it is effective. There are not Cheap tactics in games, only actions that are easy and safe to perform, while others are more dangerous. Labelling a player as trash because they don't actively make the game harder for themselves or because they don't follow the unspoken rules and values your have ascribed to specific actions is utterly ridiculous. I hate agreeing with an Amarr yet again... but I do. This is a tactic that works and works really well. It is easy to perform, and can be executed to high efficiency by taking advantage a lack of situational arwareness in the enemy. It is easy enough to see and hear when an LAV is coming, and therefore knowing that there might be a Heavy driving. Note: I tried it for a week; it was fun. I don't do it anymore as I typically change up play styles every couple of weeks to keep from getting bored with the game. I find it annoying, yes, but I also find Assault Dropships annoying. This does not invalidate the tactic. I also want to add that while it may be "honorable" to have a challenge, this is a game about war where every trick in the book are legit. All's fair in love and war. Once your tears are dry, I'll see you in a match. (that was adressed to the Amarr who cry over the fact we Minmatar are FREE!) We don't shed tears for your being free..... we pity you..... you don't have an empress....or any person for that matter with half the swag Jamyl Sarum does. "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
boba's fetta Dead Man's Game 648	Posted - 2014.05.28 23:26:00 - [24] - Quote im a heavy who often murder taxi's i have fit set up just for the task my cheapest combo is 43k isk. i dont just murder taxi i do other things to help squad. i do enjoy the thoughtful mail's i get after a good murder taxi round. all i can say (without reciving a ban) is that people have come up with some very creative things they would like to happen to me.. this is why i dont play cod, the mail their is all generic people tend to be more creative here. what can i say sorry for not running across open ground to close range. sorry for not fighting in your optimal. there are ways to beat it. its not like i just stuck a re to your uplink....
XxDemonicxX Spirit Elite Veteran Strikeforce 0	Posted - 2014.05.28 23:28:00 - [25] - Quote If you carry REs or something just wait till the heavy jumps out in front of you and friendlies and lay a remote on the driver seat and as hes driving away blow it up. done this a few times myself. felt awesome.
Byozuma Kegawa Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 271	Posted - 2014.05.28 23:38:00 - [26] - Quote I can't say I've felt anything about getting dropped by a heavy in an LAV. Alot of the time it's a lone heavy meaning he's just trying to get around at a speed faster than a snail's pace. Yet to be killed by one because, well, snail's pace, I'm able to use his own LAV as a shield which often leads to the heavy jumping back in to get it out of the way. Meanwhile, I'm getting out of Dodge because why stick around when there's rotary death riding in that LAV. It's not a big deal. I bet you'd be just as peeved if that heavy was tooling around in a tank, gunning you down without even having to get out.
P14GU3 The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 774	Posted - 2014.05.28 23:38:00 - [27] - Quote Cpl Foster USMC wrote: Guilty and I don't feel bad about it one bit. Coming from a corp that holds districts, but hires its battles out to full teams of ringers, that doesnt surprise me.. I only play dust514ums now. It was always more fun than the actual game anyways.
M1A1 Blaster Master Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 21	Posted - 2014.05.28 23:53:00 - [28] - Quote The way to fix this is to take a page out of HALOs playbook and make it so there is an animation for climbing in and out of the vehicle, and make it so that the different zones put you into the appropriate seat. Want to get on the gun, go to the back of the truck. Want to drive, go to the drivers side. Other than that, this really isn't a cheap mechanic. If you are fool enough to put yourself in a position to be killed by someone like that, then you deserve it.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10333	Posted - 2014.05.28 23:56:00 - [29] - Quote P14GU3 wrote: Cpl Foster USMC wrote: Guilty and I don't feel bad about it one bit. Coming from a corp that holds districts, but hires its battles out to full teams of ringers, that doesnt surprise me.. If they have the ISK, and are making more of it while being able to contract out to another corporation that is ensuring results...... welp they are playing the New Eden game very well. "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
P14GU3 The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 775	Posted - 2014.05.29 00:18:00 - [30] - Quote True Adamance wrote: P14GU3 wrote: Cpl Foster USMC wrote: Guilty and I don't feel bad about it one bit. Coming from a corp that holds districts, but hires its battles out to full teams of ringers, that doesnt surprise me.. If they have the ISK, and are making more of it while being able to contract out to another corporation that is ensuring results...... welp they are playing the New Eden game very well. Wow TA.. i used to like you, and actually had a lot of respect for the things you said... lately, not so much. Did you sell your acct after FF? I only play dust514ums now. It was always more fun than the actual game anyways.



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